Medical questions and answers

One fan (this got 40 thumbs-up :mello

Him getting burned during that commercial was the beginning of his use of prescription? drugs, poor michael, maybe if that never happened he may have never developed a habit and would probably still be alive.

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Michael Jackson did not die from prescription drugs! There were no drugs found in his system whatsoever except for the anesthetics (Propofol and Lorazepam) his doctor administered to him just before he died, read the autopsy report! Michael suffered from a severe case of amnesia as a result? of the auto-immune disease Lupus. Even though the media tries hard to lable him a druggie, don't believe it! He was murdered, plain and simple.

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Michael admitted himself that he was addicted to pain meds and went into rehab for it in the 80's after Chandler's accusations. His family tried a number of interventions. His nurse said Michael begged her for propofal. That's a drug. It was injected into his body & killed him. He had large amounts of prescription meds in his system when he died. No one? ever saw him TAKE the meds, but they saw the after effect

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You couldn't be more wrong. Some family members CLAIM that they did interventions, but they mention no specific time so this could've been 10 years ago. MJ was addicted in? 1993 yes, that's 17(!!) years ago. His past addiction has absolutely no relation to his death. He had no prescription drugs at all in his system, just the anesthetic his doctor administered to him right before he died. And since when are comments of some nurse who claims she once worked for him considered reliable? The reason no one ever saw him take meds is because he didn't, the autopsy report proved that Michael was in excellent physical shape when he died, if? he really had been addicted this would have come up in the report somehow. What people saw were the side effects of the medication he had to take to treat his very REAL health problems such as Lupus.

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I don't know what autopsy reports you have read but there is a list of medications that were found in Michael's system when he died. Lorazepam isn't an anesthetic it's an antidepressant. I'm a huge Michael Jackson? supporter & am in contact with the family. I am not talking against Michael I'm saying how tragic it was that he became addicted to prescription meds. Due to the 2005 trial, Michael became more dependent on them to numb the pain. I'm being realistic. Acknowledging that Michael? had a problem with prescription meds does not mean that he was a "druggie" and in no way diminishes the wonderful man, father, son, performer & humanitarian that he was. Michael should not die in vain. His death should be a lesson to those with money & power to be careful of the leeches like those who enabled MJ because they wanted his money, the Dr. Feelgoods.

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JMie said:

You are right.

And tell that person that lorazepam is not an antidepressant. On the contrary, it shouldn't be used during the depression http://www.depression-doctor.com/antidepressants/lorazepam-ativan.html

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elusive moonwalker said:

bottom line mj had an an addiction in the 90s to pain killers. he went in rehab. that hss nothing to do with what happened in 09. there were no painkillers found in his system and i believe even in his house. murray gave Loz to mj as it is one of the benzos given b4 you admin diprivan. murray was giving him Loz in order to help him get to sleep. diprivan is not physically addictive mj was not addicted to anything when he died.the dip and benzos were only being used from may 09 at the earliest as thats when they were bought. his organs also showed no damage which would occur with any long term addiction. in otehr words there is no evidence at all that mj was addicted to anything in the month and even several years upto his death. tell the fans on utuve to educate themselve and stop believing the crap randy pushes

these fans on utube had obviously been brainwashed by the stupid family members/presley who throw the druggie story down everyones throats.and this is what we are having todeal with. with even fans buying this crap.

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I'm a huge Michael Jackson? supporter & am in contact with the family.

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elusive moonwalker said:

yes diprivan is the same just another name for it. i can never spell propofol without having to look so use diprivan

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TinaG said:

Wikipedia is not a reliable source for anything, LindavG. Anyone can add info to and/or edit info on Wiki. But aside from that, I haven't seen anything that says propofol is physically addictive. Could Michael have been psychologically addicted to it? Possibly. We don't know. But it is much more likely, IF there was an addiction, that it was psychological rather than physical.

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And while I do believe Michael was a bit too thin, I don't believe he was frail or sickly as some rumors suggest. This is my opinion. Though I will also add that even if the dancers and those around him at that time are saying he was very fit etc, I don't tend to blindly accept their opinions either. They no doubt signed confidentiality agreements and are likely very limited as to what they can say about Michael from their experience. I think it's very likely that they have all been told "you can say XYZ and that's it" in a nutshell. So I just don't put a lot of stock in their answers either. But I do have a hard time believing that he was as frail and sickly as some would suggest. Again, just my opinion.

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LindavG said:

But why is it then on the website of depression-doctor and listed under "antidepressants"? I'm still confused.. The problem is that I don't know anything about medicine, I just rely on what I've been told about the autopsy report by other people with more medical knowledge than I have. From what I understood the Lorazepam was used in combination with the Propofol or something (so not in the function of antidepressant) but can somebody please explain this once again?

Also, I just discovered that I wrote "amnesia" instead of "insomnia" in my previous post, how stupid am I :doh:

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did for Dutch TV and he said those claims about MJ being frail/sick/unhealthy are all BS rumours and that he was very fit and enthusiastic to do the shows.. and then you have other people like Randy, Janet and Karen Faye saying he was very ill and addicted etc. Who to believe?? :sad:

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Asedora said:

Lorazepam is a very typical antidepressant used to treat insomnia, anxiety and other disorders which are part of depression. Lorazepam is a similar drug as phenozepam, from the same group of drugs but stronger.
Phenozepam I used to take myself. It is not a very strong drug one but without control it can give you some problems.

Here is the link about phenozepam: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenazepam

About Lorazepam:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorazepam

They are both benzos to treat insomnia.

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elusive moonwalker said:

the only evidence of ppl being mentally addicted to diprivan is some cases of drs who enjoyed the feeling that comes with the waking up after taking it. articles stated that these ejected litterally 100 times in a day. so they would wake up after only a minute or 2 and then re inject. this obviously has no connectioon to mj. also there is nothing in diprivan that makes it addictive. its not a narcotic etc

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honeysucklejasmine said:

Lorazepam (and other benzodiazepines) are not classed as anti-depressants - they are anxiolytics, in other words anti-anxiety drugs. They also have sedative properties, hence their use in treating insomnia (but they should only be prescribed if absolutely necessary and as a short-term measure due to the risks of dependence).

Lorazepam is not recommended for the treatment of depression however patients can often present with depression and anxiety together therefore in addition to prescribing an anti-depressant (eg prozac) for the longer term to treat the depression, benzodiazepines are sometimes prescribed initially as well on a short-term basis to treat the symptoms of anxiety until the anti-depressant drug takes effect (usually, but not always, within a few weeks).

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Asedora said:

I do not think it is very important how it has been classified in some medical books. This is a question of terminology only. I know from fact that specialists prescribe benzos to treat multiple depression symptoms such as insomnia, anxiety and others. Depression is not one symptom disorder. To say that it is antidepressant is not a big mistake imo.

The drug description I used to take even says as far as I remember: to treat multiple depression symptoms etc.
Maybe it changed now and they use a different classification. I do not think that this is THAT important.
The most important thing how it is being used and for what.

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elusive moonwalker said:

its clearly documented how many bottles and how many tablets were found in each bottle for example.

and that information clearly shows there was no addiction to Lorazepam.all it shows is that murray overdosed mj with Lorazepam on the 25th june giving him 2 and half times what should have been given and then ontop of that gives him enough diprivan for major surgery.

According to the coroner's report 21 tabs of Lorazepam had been taken from the box of 30 since 28th April when they were prescribed..

the prescription was to take one a day. so that shows that mj had hardly been taking the tablets at all. that info totally ridicules any claims by these "fans" that mj was addcited to the Lorazepam

also it is the same with the diazepam and temazepam bottles thats were found
A bottle of 60 diazepam 10mg tablets were prescribed by Murray on 20th June,

the dose was half to one tablet every 6 hours. 57 were still in the bottle. so mj was hardly touching them.

the reports shows he could have taken 2 or 3 at the most b4 the 25th.
well below what was prescribed.


temazepam had been prescibed in december 08 out of 30 tablets 3 remained. and this drug was not found in mj so he had not been taken b4 the 25th.

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elusive moonwalker said:

linda all the info for the numpties on youtube is available from the autopsey report and also the the police documents. no wonder they are friends with the family as they are pandering the druggie label. its clearly documented how many bottles and how many tablets were found in each bottle for example.and that information clearly shows there was no addiction to Lorazepam.all it shows is that murray overdosed mj with Lorazepam on the 25th june giving him 2 and half times what should have been given and then ontop of that gives him enough diprivan for major surgery. please post the below on the utube comments and see what B.S they come up with next.

According to the coroner's report 21 tabs of Lorazepam had been taken from the box of 30 since 28th April when they were prescribed.. the prescription was to take one a day. so that shows that mj had hardly been taking the tablets at all. that info totally ridicules any claims by these "fans" that mj was addcited to the Lorazepam

also it is the same with the diazepam and temazepam bottles thats were found A bottle of 60 diazepam 10mg tablets were prescribed by Murray on 20th June, the dose was half to one tablet every 6 hours. 57 were still in the bottle. so mj was hardly touching them.the reports shows he could have taken 2 or 3 at the most b4 the 25th. well below what was prescribed. temazepam had been prescibed in december 08 out of 30 tablets 3 remained. and this drug was not found in mj so he had not been taken b4 the 25th.

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elusive moonwalker said:

bottom line mj had an an addiction in the 90s to pain killers. he went in rehab. that hss nothing to do with what happened in 09. there were no painkillers found in his system and i believe even in his house. murray gave Loz to mj as it is one of the benzos given b4 you admin diprivan. murray was giving him Loz in order to help him get to sleep. diprivan is not physically addictive mj was not addicted to anything when he died.the dip and benzos were only being used from may 09 at the earliest as thats when they were bought. his organs also showed no damage which would occur with any long term addiction. in otehr words there is no evidence at all that mj was addicted to anything in the month and even several years upto his death. tell the fans on utuve to educate themselve and stop believing the crap randy pushes

these fans on utube had obviously been brainwashed by the stupid family members/presley who throw the druggie story down everyones throats.and this is what we are having todeal with. with even fans buying this crap.

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honeysucklejasmine said:

Thanks for your reply. It is generally accepted that Michael was being treated with benzodiazepines to help him sleep and possibly to treat anxiety. I took issue with your statement that "lorazepam is a very typical anti-depressant" which, with respect, is not correct and if you have had experience of such (ie benzo use only to treat depression as defined by the ICD-10 classification, then this is poor clinical practice imo). In the absence of a diagnosis of coexistent depression, benzodiazepines on their own can be used to treat anxiety and insomnia.

[I can only speak as to UK medical practice where, as a physician, I prescribe both anti-depressants and benzodiazepines but I would be surprised if US prescribing practices and the classification of these drugs deviate substantially from what I have described in my previous post].

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Ashtanga said:

This blog is very interesting:

http://xscapemj.blogspot.com/2010/05/anatomization-of-living-dead-part-2.html

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mjistheonlyone said:

Thank you honysucklejasmine. I would be surprised too as I am in the US been perscribed anti-depressant and an anti-anxiety med for a while now. NO one would even notice any difference in my behavior due to my very close monitoring by my physician here in the states.

I am not a doctor but by the why it looks, each drug listed below treats the same symptoms which to me seem like over-kill with the exception of the clonazepam. Seems like wayyyyyyyy to many benzos.
Lorazepam: used for anxiety WITH depression
Diazepam: used for anxiety and panic attacks
Temazepam: insomnia, anxiety
Clonazepam: seizures, bipolar disorder, panic attacks....
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Arklove said:

You're right....it is WAY too many benzo's...I've seen almost NO patients being prescribed these all at the same time...maybe 1 or 2...but not FOUR

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Ashtanga said:

This blog is very interesting:

http://xscapemj.blogspot.com/2010/05/anatomization-of-living-dead-part-2.html

Another interesting point is that the investigators confiscated most of the above listed medications & supplies on visits made few days after the alleged date of death. Anybody with access to that house could have tampered with the evidence, took items out & have left items inside the house! How are we to rely on these finding knowing that the house was not sealed as crime scene & many people had access to it?

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