[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate




Here Michael Jackson is on top of his game, greatest Entertainer of all time. All he wanted to do was be of help. Michael was helping Wade Robson as a kid dancer, along with the other kid's in the video. Michael even invited Macaulay Culkin to be in the video, as a friend and mentor.

How does this nightmare continue to this day, of falsely accusing Michael of being inappropriate with minor boy's.

Tom Sneddon tried proving his Case against Michael in 2005, by saying Michael was inappropriate because his financial empire was deteriorating. Michael was going broke. But, Wade wants us to believe that Michael Jackson was already inappropriate during the filming of the above video picture.

There is no definitive pattern to this whole mess of Michael Jackson being inappropriate to any minor boy's, because no two stories are the same, so the accusers do have the same motive, being well paid for their 'claims.'

I believe we have established the very essence of this hot mess!!

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la_cienega said:

But yeah, now he's claiming he spent this whole time with these feelings of alienation/shame... and yet in his docs he claims he felt nothing bad about it until 2012.

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Yep, he actually claims in his declaration that even when he was allegedly looking at his son thinking about what if it happened to him he was unsure about how he felt about it. Actually that story is pretty creepy as he describes it. Saying that he imagined all these things happening to his son and not being sure how he felt about the whole thing. Let's not forget he's talking about anal rape, as we have learnt from the Penal Codes...

(Personally I do not believe he was thinking of anything like that looking at his son. He just drags his son into this mess for sympathy points. And he did not come up with the whole thing looking at his son but thinking of money. But he managed to make up a pretty creepy narrative.)

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Does anyone know anything about this rumour going around about someone by the name of Debarge helping Wade's case?

And who the heck is Debarge?

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MJLovesyoumore said:

Does anyone know anything about this rumour going around about someone by the name of Debarge helping Wade's case?

And who the heck is Debarge?

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a dude that was married to Janet...?

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MJLovesyoumore said:

Does anyone know anything about this rumour going around about someone by the name of Debarge helping Wade's case?

And who the heck is Debarge?

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I have read it on Twitter. Some fans are spreading it, so I'm not sure. The rumour is that Murray and Debarge team up with Wade to help his case and they will start an anti-MJ campaign in the media next month when Wade's case is gearing up again in the court system. Again, I don't know if it's true or not, we will see, I guess.

James Debarge was Janet's ex-husband. They were married briefly in the 80s. He's a crack head and he's been in and out of jail since the 80s. He met Murray in jail and apparently they became buddies. Here they are depicted together:





Here's a report from TMZ dated March 26:

Michael Jackson's family must be going ballistic over this ... Conrad Murray had a delightful lunch with Janet Jackson's ex-husband Friday.

The man who killed Michael dined at Crustacean in Bev Hills ... with the guy who was once his neighbor. You see, James DeBarge was jailed in 2011 after being busted on drug and weapons offenses. Michael's former brother-in-law and Murray were in the same cell block at L.A. County Jail.

The chick is Nicole Alvarez ... Murray's most recent baby mama.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2014/03/26/conra...t-jackson-brother-in-law-lunch/#ixzz2ysLLgYxG
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I find it hard to believe just because Murray can't say anything publicly about Mike because it all falls under confidentiality and the estate would sue, and Debarge testified in 1994 in front the grand jury, and he also slept with Janet when she was 15.

I believe if they had ANY ammunition they would use it NOW, before the case goes further and gets dismissed. Why would they wait? We saw how they got into quickly chucking out the fake FBI story. They weren't saving it. Also, how would anyone know in advance? What, they're telling people in advance about something that they're intending to surprise people with?

So I'm very skeptical about this, and the person who shared it has shared bad/incorrect info in the past.


Thinking back over the idea of MJ "brainwashing" Wade by Mike telling him that it's all lies, disgusting, they were trying to ruin them, etc, I was thinking that that would be the exact thing that WOULD lead to a victim coming forwards. Because your whole life you've gone through with this secret and then it's all brought up again in public, in court, and this guy is acting like it never happened and wanting you to lie about it - that is exactly the time other victims have said they felt they had to do something, because they felt so angry about it.

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If he has to use those 2 to help him then all I see is desperation.

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I don't see how using Murray could help him at all. He's not credible.

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Has this Debarge guy ever said anything bad about Michael? If so, I don't see anything good coming of this. Even if he and Murray are not credible you know that SOMEONE out there could easily buy into whatever crap they spew and accept it as truth, and there's a lot of someones out there.

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He's never said a bad word about Michael in fact he told Nancy Grace that Michael talked him out of killing himself. He also talked to the gj in 94 so on whatever for him amd Murray

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I don't believe the rumor about James DeBarge teaming up with Conrad Murray on behalf of Wade. I think that is a stupid rumor.

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If this is a fan rumor, then I am going to pass up on it. There are so much rumors going around about so many things right now...

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I think that is a rumour too.
And If it's not, burn in deep red hot hell the three of ya.

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Justthefacts said:

He's never said a bad word about Michael in fact he told Nancy Grace that Michael talked him out of killing himself. He also talked to the gj in 94 so on whatever for him amd Murray

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Well that's a relief. I do wonder why Murray would want to meet with him, though...

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Wade is mentioned...

Bryan Singer: Michael Egan Timeline, Selective Memory Don't Add Up
http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2...ed:+TheHollywoodGossip+(The+Hollywood+Gossip)

Bryan Singer is firing back at sexual assault accuser Michael Egan, saying he was not even in the same state during the period he allegedly raped him.

Michael Egan claims in a new lawsuit that the X-Men director anally raped him and forced hard drugs on him during two separate trips to Hawaii in 1999.
Singer will reportedly file credit card bills and various other documents proving he was in Toronto during the time frame in question, shooting the first X-Men.
The 31-year-old man accusing Bryan Singer of sexual assault claims he didn't remember the incident until recently, which Singer also says should clear him.
Egan filed a lawsuit over a series of L.A. pool parties alleging sexual abuse against three other men in 2000, with a clear memory of what they alleged did.
Singer was not named in that lawsuit, despite Egan's claim that at one of these parties, Singer forced Egan to perform oral sex on him when he was just 15.
He's very graphic, comparing himself to a piece of meat and saying that Singer held his head underwater and forced him to orally copulate the director.
In the 2000 lawsuit, however, he accuses Marc Collins-Rector, who owned the party house, and two other men. Singer was NOT named or even referenced.
Egan ended up getting a default judgment of more than $2 million, but Collins-Rector and the others left the country so Egan was paid virtually nothing.
Not unlike Wade Robson's molestation accusation against Michael Jackson, Egan now said he blocked the incident out and numbed himself with alcohol.
Recently, he got sober and started therapy, which unleashed a flood of bad memories involving Singer. The director claims this is all totally bogus.Sources connected to Singer says it's absurd that Egan remembered the party in such vivid detail as to three other men but repressed memories of Singer.

I watched "The Hunt" recently. Even within the film industry it has become a major motion picture, falsely accusing someone of being inappropriate with a minor. It is evident that certain minor's will become attached to an adult who gives them the attention that they sorely lack at home. When this adult who took an interest in the minor and the minor suddenly gets their feelings hurt by this adult, they turn on them. Hence the plot...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjmZGaXDRHY

Plot



Lucas is a member of a close-knit Danish community and works at a local kindergarten. A divorcée, he struggles to maintain a relationship with his son, but enjoys wholesome interaction with the children at the kindergarten. His coworker Nadja makes advances towards him and eventually moves in as his girlfriend.

One of the kindergarten pupils, Klara, the daughter of Lucas's best friend Theo, wrongly accuses Lucas of showing his genitals to her. She gives unclear testimony against Lucas to the kindergarten staff, interpolating a separate incident in which she was shown pornography by her older brother. The adults in the community believe her story, dismissing her self-contradictions as denial.

Lucas is shunned by the community as a pedophile sexual predator. His friendship with Theo is destroyed, the pressure causes him to break up with Nadja, and his son is publicly ostracised. The kindergarten staff ask leading questions of other children at the kindergarten, who also "admit" to being abused; but Lucas builds a strong defence when the children state they were abused in Lucas's basement, despite the fact that his house has no basement.

Lucas's ostracism turns to violence. His dog, Fanny, is killed, a stone is thrown through his window, and he is beaten by grocery store employees for trying to buy food. On Christmas Eve, Lucas confronts Theo. Later, Theo overhears Klara apologizing to Lucas as she drifts off to sleep. He realizes Lucas is innocent, and visits Lucas on Christmas Day with food and alcohol as a peace offering.

A year later, tensions in the community have lessened. Lucas and Nadja are in a relationship again, and Lucas's son is accepted into the local hunting society as an adult. On a hunting expedition to commemorate the event, an unseen person shoots at Lucas. Blinded by the setting sun, Lucas is unable to identify his attacker, who reloads but flees.

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Sorry guys I didnt mean anything offensive with the post i initially made. Editing it right now.

Sorry

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Pimboli said:

I wonder If Conrat has another audio tape of MJ. You know, like the one presented during the trial, of MJ talking while being on medicine.....
What if he drugged him up, and then started asking questions about the trials? Did he say something that Wade can twist to fit his sick agenda?

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oh gosh please dont say that. I may start getting paranoid about this possibility. although if conrad did have another recorcing of michael that could be damaging for michael. wouldn't he have come forward with it by now? especially with all that smack he was talking about michael after he got out of jail. wouldn't he have used it as prove?

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Why do you guys speculate about things like that? If Murray had a tape like that he would have sold it by now.

Michael was no child molester so no incriminating tape about him exists, I'm sure about that.

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respect77 said:

Why do you guys speculate about things like that? If Murray had a tape like that he would have sold it by now.

Michael was no child molester so no incriminating tape about him exists, I'm sure about that.

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yes mam, amen.

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This is not a new doc, but filed together with Wade's claim in May, 2013, but I somehow missed it so far. It's their motion for their complaint to be filed under seal:

http://amradaronline.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/wade-robson-full-doc.pdf

So it's true they tried to keep it hush. Then how does that jive with their claim that Wade is doing it because he's learned that he needs to speak it as loud as he can? It appears they did not try to speak it loud initially at all...

"The Under Seal Pleadings contain information that, were it to be disclosed, could threaten or cause significant harm to the privacy interests of DOES 1, 2 and 3..."

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For the reasons set forth herein, and in the attached Declaration of Maryann R. Marzano, Claimant submits that good cause exists to allow the filing of these documents under seal, and this request has been tailored in a manner to be as unobstrustive as possible in order to protect the privacy interests of DOES 1, 2 and 3."

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So again, what happened to needing to speak his "truth" as he loud as could as a part of his healing? It seems that "need" only arose after it got out anyway, but initially they just planned to silently extort the Estate for money...

On the Today's Show Wade said his interest is not in the money but to speak his truth. But then the only thing they wanted from it when he filed these papers was money...

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Pimboli said:

I wonder If Conrat has another audio tape of MJ. You know, like the one presented during the trial, of MJ talking while being on medicine.....
What if he drugged him up, and then started asking questions about the trials? Did he say something that Wade can twist to fit his sick agenda?

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Please, if he had anything like that it would be known by now. The police took his phone, remember?

He could also have tried to use something like that in his defense, as in, "I only taped Michael like that to get answers to these questions for the sake of the children!" etc blah blah.

Nothing like that exists, fans are worst than haters sometimes.

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respect77 said:

This is not a new doc, but filed together with Wade's claim in May, 2013, but I somehow missed it so far. It's their motion for their complaint to be filed under seal:

http://amradaronline.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/wade-robson-full-doc.pdf

So it's true they tried to keep it hush. Then how does that jive with their claim that Wade is doing it because he's learned that he needs to speak it as loud as he can? It appears they did not try to speak it loud initially at all...





So again, what happened to needing to speak his "truth" as he loud as could as a part of his healing? It seems that "need" only arose after it got out anyway, but initially they just planned to silently extort the Estate for money...

On the Today's Show Wade said his interest is not in the money but to speak his truth. But then the only thing they wanted from it when he filed these papers was money...

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What Wade said in that show is complete bull$#!^. He's after $$$ like everybody else to ruin Michael and his good name why? Because they don't give crap about the truth. Every word he spews out are crap and lies. And every word he says makes my anger grew towards him severely.

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respect77 said:

Why do you guys speculate about things like that? If Murray had a tape like that he would have sold it by now.

Michael was no child molester so no incriminating tape about him exists, I'm sure about that.

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Thank you. To even suggest something like this is highly offending not just to his memory but I took personal offense to it as well.

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I wasn't sure where to post this..

I know this is not exactly Wade Robson related, but has anyone seen the new MJ article by Robin Freeman on Showbiz 411? :angry:

It is basically(in not so many words)suggesting that MJ was molesting kids with a man named Gary Goddard. Gary Goddard is the new name being accused of molestation by Michael Egan, the guy who recently accused the X-men producer Bryan Singer of similar crimes.

Apparently MJ met him through a company called Landmark Entertainment, which was a company designed to build theme parks. They have even added a picture of a handshake between the two... well 3 people handshake.

Sheesh! just because MJ shook hands with the man, does not mean he was involved in any child abuse that Goddard may have been involved in.


http://www.showbiz411.com/2014/04/2...ss-with-one-of-the-x-men-pedophile-defendants

Damn it I am so p*ssed off at these people!!! :mat:

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Don't bother yourself with Roger fat man.

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respect77 said:

So again, what happened to needing to speak his "truth" as he loud as could as a part of his healing?

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Usually when people claim something they say "the truth" so what's with him saying "my truth"? It's an odd thing to say. My bet is that the more Wade talks the more he'll contradict himself.

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Bubs said:

05/01/2014 at 10:00 am in department 5 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
MOTION-SUMMARY JUDGMENT

Wade might not even get as far as June as the estate is looking for summary judgement on 1st of May, and if judge grants it to the estate, the case is over for Wade.

Hopefully the judge grants it and puts a stop to Wade's attempt to get easy money.

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If this is thrown out on May 1st it will give something else to celebrate at the iHeart radio awards.....

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I don't believe any of this.

If it did happen, Wade wouldn't have waited this long to say something did. And he defended Michael in his last trial, so I sincerely doubt anything happened.