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Lets Discuss BAD concerts footage and what may have been shot on film ?

Zakk said:
the MITM footage from Around the world is the same as what is featured in Moonwalker.. it is uncropped 16mm film footage transferred to BetaMax then to VHS.. all the snippets from Around the world look like the exact same quality as each other. Especially 'Beat It'/'Billie Jean'/'Thriller' & 'Smooth Criminal'
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Around The World used a jumbotron copy of the show(s) to edit together. They aren't film based. It's rather blatantly obvious (especially at this point of all your findings...)

The only film part is there's a shot of him dancing on-stage with the kids for BAD. That's some film shot.
 
Zakk said:
Minneapolis looks like it could have been shot entirely on film, there are many pro & very high quality snippets from that show.. unfortunately he didn't perform TWYMMF.. but the audio is on Multitracks.. btw, before you guys call me deluded.. the MITM footage from Around the world is the same as what is featured in Moonwalker.. it is uncropped 16mm film footage transferred to BetaMax then to VHS.. all the snippets from Around the world look like the exact same quality as each other. Especially 'Beat It'/'Billie Jean'/'Thriller' & 'Smooth Criminal'
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It is possible that he might have changed back to the black BAD jacket when he would start to perform MITM after TWYMMF. See this clip from the concert in Wurzburg, Germany where it is obvious that he wears the black jacket during MITM:



And at the same time when you listen to the amateur audio from the same concert, he actually performs TWYMMF (starts at 1:03:55):



(Yes, it is written that the audio is from the concert in Munich July 1988, but it is actually a cleaner and clearer sound version of the Wurzburg amateur audio concert that have existed on the Internet for several years).
 
john13th said:
It is possible that he might have changed back to the black BAD jacket when he would start to perform MITM after TWYMMF. See this clip from the concert in Wurzburg, Germany where it is obvious that he wears the black jacket during MITM:



And at the same time when you listen to the amateur audio from the same concert, he actually performs TWYMMF (starts at 1:03:55):



(Yes, it is written that the audio is from the concert in Munich July 1988, but it is actually a cleaner and clearer sound version of the Wurzburg amateur audio concert that have existed on the Internet for several years).
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Yeah i have always wondered about that and have pointed it out as well. But the thing with wurzburg and Wembley is that when he performs MITM he had removed a lot of his buckles which was not the case for Minneapolis. It would be a lot simpler just putting on the black jacket after TWYMMF minus the belt buckles ( as I surmise is the case for wurzburg). In Minneapolis he wore the full "Bad outfit" for MITM which would make sense if he performed it right after Bad, omitting TWYMMF.
 
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ivy said:
What makes you so sure that THIS concert was filmed?

Warren says 2 out of 5 and isn't giving any dates
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I assume it must be July 14th & 23rd ;)
 
I think the question isn't what concert was shot on film or not, but what concert shot on film Sony has.

Because Wembley July 16, 1988 was (I believe) shot on film, but Sony doesn't have the film.
 
My question to you all is... Do you know if there is some footage, on any documentary or whatever, from the concert in Turin?
 
Does any one have any idea about the next concert as wembley 16 Ju 1988
 
BatmanJackson said:
I think the question isn't what concert was shot on film or not, but what concert shot on film Sony has.

Because Wembley July 16, 1988 was (I believe) shot on film, but Sony doesn't have the film.
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I don't think the July 16 concert was shot on film. You can't see any film cameras there. You can only see the cameras that are used for the Jumbotron footage that the DVD is made of.

1nn5 said:
Does any one have any idea about the next concert as wembley 16 Ju 1988
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I don't really understand what you are asking but here are all the Bad Tour concert dates if you are asking about them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_(tour)#Tour_dates
 
I think he meant what the next release from estate will be.
Me thinks possibly a new Dangerous concert... We'll have to wait and see.

And the 16th probably only had people here and there doing crowd shots and random bits here and there.
 
AtlasAir said:
I think he meant what the next release from estate will be.
Me thinks possibly a new Dangerous concert... We'll have to wait and see.

And the 16th probably only had people here and there doing crowd shots and random bits here and there.
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I think 'Another Part Of Me' July 16th was possibly shot on film! their are far more camera's shooting that particular song than any other, you could see most of them leave when IJCSLY was about to begin..
 
It would be great but not with that kind of editing. Full concert release shouldn't look like a music video. :)
 
Can I add something to the discussion. I emailed a jumbotron videographer about Janet's concert but he mentioned something I found interesting. He said film crews could come in and film a show and the entire tour crew could be completely oblivious that a special film production is happening. Just think everyone maybe so focused on their area or speciality that they may not have the entire picture of what's going on for a show. Maybe the producers or Michael may want things to happen naturally without the traveling crew being too concerned about a special film production going on. I mean in one book it was mentioned that Michael hired a film crew to film one of the Jackson tours and the brother didn't know anything about it until they were already on stage. I mean these shows are so massive that it's no wonder so many people on the tour (janet's at least) don't know about special filming occurring, this including quite possibly the jumbotron crew. just thought i'd add this.
 
Zakk said:
I think 'Another Part Of Me' July 16th was possibly shot on film! their are far more camera's shooting that particular song than any other, you could see most of them leave when IJCSLY was about to begin..
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Those were photographers with press passes.

Have you ever noticed for the most part that photos of bad tour occur during the first 3 songs of the show (I'm not talking about his personal photgrapher(s) ).
Press photographers are usually granted access to the front of stage to take pictures for the first 3 to 4 songs of concerts, and then escorted away.
 
Sorry for bringing up old thread, but what's the date of Osaka concert footage [1987 BWT Live in Osaka, Japan (3,98 GB) (DVD) (Remastered by ThunderPower and DeDevil)] we have?
And what's the date of Tino_MJ concert "Tokyo 1988" [3.67 GB]? Recording is amateurish, quite blurry.
 
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From day one they should have had a person traveling the world in search of everything like the guy who runs the Elvis legacy label. Making contact with collectors and dealers and buying up everything. It's a travesty if a professionally filmed Bad Tour 88 is sitting in some warehouse or basement rotting. Christ it will be seven years in the new year, they need to get on this stuff. They seem a lot more merchandise/marketing oriented than quality material oriented. They could easily do both.
 
^^ surely they can trace back information, but Patrick Kelley put all the BAD Tour films in Michael's warehouse once the tour concluded. They're somewhere, they just need to be categorized and sorted.. some of them may have partial/extreme damage.. considering the amount of reels you need for a 2 hour show, and it's not uncommon for sticky labels to fade.. it may be a few years yet.. just hope it's worth waiting for, if it ever comes.
 
^^I really hope they do. It is just not acceptable to have Bad 88 or 89 on film wasting away from dampness and dirt, fading from years of neglect and misplacement. I do hope they actually realise the historical value and importance of it all. I've seen some wonderful live concerts over the years on screen and attended, the likes of Prince, Madonna, Springsteen, Queen but MJ's Bad tour is still the greatest show on earth for so many of us. They also need to get the rights for Destiny, Triumph and Victory regardless of whether it's on film or not. Pay the Jacksons and pay whoever needs to be paid, just make the deal. Pay Pepsi if needs be for everything that was done with Pepsi and remaster all the commercials.
 
^^agreed 5000 percent. Add the kids' Forum concert to that list. Once the IRS stuff is over, maybe they can start spending money on quality archiving and rights.
I'd like to see the Variety shows released as well as an entire DVD of all of their tv performances on talk/variety shows.
 
Zakk said:
I think 'Another Part Of Me' July 16th was possibly shot on film! their are far more camera's shooting that particular song than any other, you could see most of them leave when IJCSLY was about to begin..
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AtlasAir said:
Those were photographers with press passes.

Have you ever noticed for the most part that photos of bad tour occur during the first 3 songs of the show (I'm not talking about his personal photgrapher(s) ).
Press photographers are usually granted access to the front of stage to take pictures for the first 3 to 4 songs of concerts, and then escorted away.
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I think 'Another Part Of Me' from the July 16th performance could have been shot on film after all.

If you look at the official music video @1:42 (the line:''We're bringing brighter days'')...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vwHQNQ88cM

...and then look at the performance from July 16th @0:49....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72vY9bPbyVA

...you see that the head movement and facial expressions are exactly the same.

However, this is the only moment I could find that matches both performances.The rest is mostly July 22nd, Paris and Hamburg.
 
Excuse me for derailing this thread a little but I just watched the two early Tokyo shows and my goodness. MJ was literally on fire those nights. His vocals was 100% perfect and he was still dancing up a storm without compromising his live vocals. The band was so tight and seemed to be having so much fun. I really think that those early Japan shows are the best representation of MJ as a great live singer and dancer. I would love to see one of those shows in HD with a fresh multitrack mix.
 
^His vocals were better in 87 and that's a fact, but I still prefer the 88/89 shows from that tour.
 
Themidwestcowboy said:
Excuse me for derailing this thread a little but I just watched the two early Tokyo shows and my goodness. MJ was literally on fire those nights. His vocals was 100% perfect and he was still dancing up a storm without compromising his live vocals. The band was so tight and seemed to be having so much fun. I really think that those early Japan shows are the best representation of MJ as a great live singer and dancer. I would love to see one of those shows in HD with a fresh multitrack mix.
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I think the same. Michael is on fire, band is on fire. That's how Michael should be remembered as a live performer. Much better than any of the second leg shows where the playback starts to take over.

Would be great to see the Yokohama show on TV once in a while instead of that horrible MSN 2001 concert, which is the only one they show here from time to time. Of course that has to do with how rights are available to TV networks to show stuff.... but come on Estate/Sony.... it's no rocket science. That Yokohama show must be the easiest one to track down and remaster as it already was on TV. That said, what we need more urgent on TV of course would be Taj's docu series.
 
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dethorro said:
I think 'Another Part Of Me' from the July 16th performance could have been shot on film after all.

If you look at the official music video @1:42 (the line:''We're bringing brighter days'')...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vwHQNQ88cM

...and then look at the performance from July 16th @0:49....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72vY9bPbyVA

...you see that the head movement and facial expressions are exactly the same.

However, this is the only moment I could find that matches both performances.The rest is mostly July 22nd, Paris and Hamburg.
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I dont think the estate would like anyone to find proof of july 16 being on film lol. We found a short news clip of WBSS thats HQ(compared to what we got). If it was, it would help explain the use of multitrack audio.

Themidwestcowboy said:
Excuse me for derailing this thread a little but I just watched the two early Tokyo shows and my goodness. MJ was literally on fire those nights. His vocals was 100% perfect and he was still dancing up a storm without compromising his live vocals. The band was so tight and seemed to be having so much fun. I really think that those early Japan shows are the best representation of MJ as a great live singer and dancer. I would love to see one of those shows in HD with a fresh multitrack mix.
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I agree. Bad tour first leg should be released in HQ. Red shirt would be epic. We know we have at least some songs shot on film. Some of the film crew said during the first leg they started with 1 35mm film camera then grew...

Yokohama should be broadcast imo. It was already edited for TV. The last mj concert I remember being shown here was Bucharest.
 
Electro said:
I think the same. Michael is on fire, band is on fire. That's how Michael should be remembered as a live performer. Much better than any of the second leg shows where the playback starts to take over.

Would be great to see the Yokohama show on TV once in a while instead of that horrible MSN 2001 concert, which is the only one they show here from time to time. Of course that has to do with how rights are available to TV networks to show stuff.... but come on Estate/Sony.... it's no rocket science. That Yokohama show must be the easiest one to track down and remaster as it already was on TV. That said, what we need more urgent on TV of course would be Taj's docu series.
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LMAO. 4 songs. Exaggerated much? The setlist on the second leg was way better.
 
dam2040 said:
LMAO. 4 songs. Exaggerated much? The setlist on the second leg was way better.
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I have to agree with you.

The 4 songs that are lip-synched don't bother me at all. Plus the set list was indeed better on the second leg.

To be honest I don't think that his vocals necessarily got ''worse'', they were just more raspy.
I think it depends on what one prefers in terms of vocals.
Some people actually prefer the more raspy vocals while others prefer the cleaner vocals.
 
I prefer the 2nd leg of the tour because it has more songs from the BAD album. This is supposed to be the BAD Tour after all
 
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