Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

Now I realize this is a very serious subject so I won't laugh, BUT can someone please explain to me how a person can be: "KIND OF CASUALLY MOLESTED?"

As to Jason: if I recall correctly, it was WIDELY reported that during one of the jury breaks (in the small courtyard, that was afforded the jury for private break times), some reporters (being nosy) actually heard the jury making fun of Jason, because he basically said, on the witness stand, that Michael had TICKLED him.

Does anybody else remember that?

Yeah the jurrors were heard laughing at him in the courtyard during a break cause he claimed he needed ten years of therapy because mj may have accidently touched him while play fighting. Also claimed he only found out a week before that his mother got a settlement. Believe the foreman of the jury confirmed afterwards they viewed him as a total joke. Ontop of his mother been a provern liar.
 
The ONLY crazies are Wade,James, Reed, lying media, and anyone who believe their (clearly) lies. And NO, I, like many others, are NOT going to let these liars lie on Michael without exposing their lies; And Mr. Reed, if that make us "crazy" for standing up for what is clearly right, SO BE IT. This fool seem to think he should say what he wants and no one should say nothing from fans, fair minded people, MJ's family and friends, etc who knows these conartists and their lies. Reed is out of his mind if he think that will happen.
 
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myosotis;4260246 said:
Had Michael Jackson been alive, I would have of course sought to interview him, and had he given me one, I would have included it in the program. There’s no doubt about that. But sadly he’s dead—and I say sadly because I would have loved to have seen him brought to justice and taken to court.

This fool really needs to readjust his medication, because, in my opinion, if Michael was still alive, this crap would have NEVER been made!!!!!

Oh and for the record, Michael was taken to court and was found NOT GULITY-10 TIMES, INCLUDING 4 LESSER CHARGES. Funny he never likes to talk about the fact that Wade was not only a star witness, but he was the very first witness.

That's just one of many reasons folks don't believe Reeds "fantasy" story. Brandi dated Robson for many years, but that messes up Reed's story, so he doesn't want to mention it. He thinks by not addressing the elephantS in the room (and there are many) they will go away, but they won't, because that's not how it works.

The two liars appear to be in hiding. Oprah has moved on (but is still cancelled by many). Which leaves Reed alone in his quest to make folks believe. Boy Bye!!!!!
 
Big Apple NYC;4260335 said:
This fool really needs to readjust his medication, because, in my opinion, if Michael was still alive, this crap would have NEVER been made!!!!!

Oh and for the record, Michael was taken to court and was found NOT GULITY-10 TIMES, INCLUDING 4 LESSER CHARGES. Funny he never likes to talk about the fact that Wade was not only a star witness, but he was the very first witness.

That's just one of many reasons folks don't believe Reeds "fantasy" story. Brandi dated Robson for many years, but that messes up Reed's story, so he doesn't want to mention it. He thinks by not addressing the elephantS in the room (and there are many) they will go away, but they won't, because that's not how it works.

The two liars appear to be in hiding. Oprah has moved on (but is still cancelled by many). Which leaves Reed alone in his quest to make folks believe. Boy Bye!!!!!
The person who talked about ”lovers” and ”a fullfilling sexual relationship at the age of 7” etc is the person who should be investigated because it really sounds like he is projecting his own fantacies on to this story. He knows very well he can’t do interviews with anyone who challenges anything he says though.
 
This fool really needs to readjust his medication, because, in my opinion, if Michael was still alive, this crap would have NEVER been made!!!!!

Oh and for the record, Michael was taken to court and was found NOT GULITY-10 TIMES, INCLUDING 4 LESSER CHARGES. Funny he never likes to talk about the fact that Wade was not only a star witness, but he was the very first witness.

That's just one of many reasons folks don't believe Reeds "fantasy" story. Brandi dated Robson for many years, but that messes up Reed's story, so he doesn't want to mention it. He thinks by not addressing the elephantS in the room (and there are many) they will go away, but they won't, because that's not how it works.

The two liars appear to be in hiding. Oprah has moved on (but is still cancelled by many). Which leaves Reed alone in his quest to make folks believe. Boy Bye!!!!!

Even Oprah has moved the interview from ALL her sites. That tells u something right there even more. She has NOT moved past interviews by others that were done last years and older, ONLY this so called interview that was "suppose" to be important. NOT- she knows she rushed to judge Michael and now in PR mode even with Central Park five who are blacks FALSELY ACCUSED.
 
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Even Oprah has moved the interview from ALL her sites. That tells u something right there even more. She has NOT moved pass interviews by others that were done last years and older, ONLY this so called interview that was suppose to be important. NOT- she know she rushed to judge and now in PR mood even with Central Park five who are blacks FALSELY ACCUSED.
She is not woman enough to apologize but still tries to repair her own image and that actually only makes me even more angry.
 
La74;4260341 said:
She is not woman enough to apologize but still tries to repair her own image and that actually only makes me even more angry.

Exactly. That makes me hate her even more than I already do. She doesn’t have the courage to admit she was wrong, because she is a lowlife coward.
 
what is this shitstorm against karen faye on twitter? i dont get it. what did she do wrong?
 
La74;4260338 said:
The person who talked about ”lovers” and ”a fullfilling sexual relationship at the age of 7” etc is the person who should be investigated because it really sounds like he is projecting his own fantacies on to this story. He knows very well he can’t do interviews with anyone who challenges anything he says though.

I agree. The NAMBLA advocate, Dan GREED is a coward. He will never do an interview with anyone who will challenge his lies. He is an arrogant prick and actually thinks he can say what he wants and fans and family sit meekly by and don’t respond. I have said this since day one of the LN scam that Greed, ROBson and Upchuck need to be investigated and arrested for promoting child porn/sex and NAMBLA doctrines. Real pedophiles are salivating over the X-rated fraudomentary LN and these three criminals are a stain on this earth.
 
La74;4260338 said:
The person who talked about ”lovers” and ”a fullfilling sexual relationship at the age of 7” etc is the person who should be investigated because it really sounds like he is projecting his own fantacies on to this story. He knows very well he can’t do interviews with anyone who challenges anything he says though.

I agree. The NAMBLA advocate, Dan GREED is a coward. He will never do an interview with anyone who will challenge his lies. He is an arrogant prick and actually thinks he can say what he wants and fans and family sit meekly by and don’t respond. I have said this since day one of the LN scam that Greed, ROBson and Upchuck need to be investigated and arrested for promoting child porn/sex and NAMBLA doctrines. Real pedophiles are salivating over the X-rated fraudomentary LN and these three criminals are a stain on this earth.
 
Glanni;4260353 said:
what is this shitstorm against karen faye on twitter? i dont get it. what did she do wrong?
It is just a misunderstanding. Somebody had read Bill Whitfields book and wrote that according to him MJ did not SEEM to be addicted to pain medication even though he did look frail etc. According to Karen he did have a problem and ”steps were taken to save his life” during the last rehearsal but the next day he was dead. She is now so upset that she has to take her dog (I think) for a walk but I don’t think Bill and Javon ever intended to spread any misinformation. I actually think she should read the book.
 
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somewhereinthedark;4260355 said:
I agree. The NAMBLA advocate, Dan GREED is a coward. He will never do an interview with anyone who will challenge his lies. He is an arrogant prick and actually thinks he can say what he wants and fans and family sit meekly by and don’t respond. I have said this since day one of the LN scam that Greed, ROBson and Upchuck need to be investigated and arrested for promoting child porn/sex and NAMBLA doctrines. Real pedophiles are salivating over the X-rated fraudomentary LN and these three criminals are a stain on this earth.
Dan Reed also needs to be investigated because he might be a real phedophile. It sure sounds like it.
 
La74;4260356 said:
It is just a misunderstanding. Somebody had read Bill Whitfields book and wrote that according to him MJ did not SEEM to be addicted to pain medication even though he did look frail etc. According to Karen he did have a problem and ”steps were taken to save his life” during the last rehearsal but the next day he was dead. She is now so upset that she has to take her dog (I think) for a walk but I don’t think Bill and Javon ever intended to spread any misinformation. I actually think she should read the book.

haha ok... what a childish drama.
 
Another nomination for an award for LN: (August is lining up to be a truly horrible month)

Pose,' 'Russian Doll,' HBO Lead 2019 TV Critic Awards Nominations

"From departing juggernauts that changed the TV game to new shows that test the boundaries of what the medium can do and be, this has been a landmark season for television across all networks and platforms,” said Daniel Fienberg, TCA president and chief TV critic at The Hollywood Reporter. “This strong nomination roster represents a diverse blend of talented performers, many of whom are also creators, and groundbreaking content that made us laugh, cry and gasp. Every category is bursting with hard choices, but we couldn’t ask for a better problem to have as we gather together to honor yet another terrific television season and celebrate 35 years of the TCA Awards."

The awards are voted on by more than 200 television critics and journalists across the country. Winners for the 35th annual TCA Awards will be announced Saturday, Aug. 3, at the Beverly Hilton Hotel in Beverly Hills during the TCA summer press tour. Desus and Mero, hosts of the Showtime weekly late-night series — which is nominated for sketch/variety series — will host this year's ceremony. The Career Achievement and Heritage Award winners will be announced at a later date.

OUTSTANDING ACHIEVEMENT IN NEWS AND INFORMATION
60 Minutes - CBS (2012 Winner in Category)
America to Me - Starz
Leaving Neverland - HBO
Our Planet - Netflix
The Rachel Maddow Show - MSNBC
Surviving R. Kelly - Lifetime
 
myosotis;4260365 said:
Another nomination for an award for LN: (August is lining up to be a truly horrible month)

Pose,' 'Russian Doll,' HBO Lead 2019 TV Critic Awards Nominations

"From departing juggernauts that changed the TV game to new shows that test the boundaries of what the medium can do and be, this has been a landmark season for television across all networks and platforms,” said Daniel Fienberg, TCA president and chief TV critic at The Hollywood Reporter. “This strong nomination roster represents a diverse blend of talented performers, many of whom are also creators, and groundbreaking content that made us laugh, cry and gasp. Every category is bursting with hard choices, but we couldn’t ask for a better problem to have as we gather together to honor yet another terrific television season and celebrate 35 years of the TCA Awards."

The awards are voted on by more than 200 television critics and journalists across the country. Winners for the 35th annual TCA Awards will be announced Saturday, Aug. 3, at the Beverly Hilton Hotel in Beverly Hills during the TCA summer press tour. Desus and Mero, hosts of the Showtime weekly late-night series — which is nominated for sketch/variety series — will host this year's ceremony. The Career Achievement and Heritage Award winners will be announced at a later date.

OUTSTANDING ACHIEVEMENT IN NEWS AND INFORMATION
60 Minutes - CBS (2012 Winner in Category)
America to Me - Starz
Leaving Neverland - HBO
Our Planet - Netflix
The Rachel Maddow Show - MSNBC
Surviving R. Kelly - Lifetime

Oh MAKE IT STOP ALREADY!
 
Radar Online and Inquistr trying again....2nd part of this story refers to 11 'new victims'. Such DESPERATION!!!! So obviously timed for the run up to 25th June.

(We've already thoroughly 'debunked' this urban myth that somehow DNA from a deceased person can 'prove ' abuse. Fairytales!!!)

Michael Jackson Was Reportedly Cremated & His Ashes Were Made Into Necklaces For His Children

It looks like Michael Jackson’s coffin may actually be empty.

A new report from Radar Online shares that Jackson’s body was cremated shortly after his death in 2009. According to the report, the singer’s body was kept on ice in a morgue for a few months after his death until the family was ready to have him cremated. The ashes were then split between “The Giving Tree” on his beloved Neverland Ranch property and among his three children — Paris, Prince, and Blanket.

A source close to the situation shares that the children were given broken-heart shaped necklaces with his ashes in it. The necklaces are similar to the one that Paris wore at his tear-filled memorial service, and Jackson also had a similar necklace wrapped around his wrist while he laid in the coffin. But while the necklaces may hold a lot of value to Michael’s three children — they don’t wear them out in public very often.

This means that Jackson’s actual coffin may have been a ploy to distract fans from the fact that he was actually cremated. As fans know, Michael’s casket was put in a crypt at Forest Lawn Memorial Park’s Great Mausoleum in Glendale, California, but it is empty. And this is bad news for Jackson’s molestation accusers who were hoping to obtain DNA from Jackson’s body to make a case against the singer.

“There are at least 11 more Michael Jackson victims who had hoped their stories would be proved by digging up his body and examining his remains and taking DNA swabs,” the insider dished. “Unfortunately, they will never get the chance to have this proof come to light, as Jackson’s mausoleum has been empty for years.”

Now, Jackson’s accusers will have no way of proving that any sort of inappropriate behavior happened to them, and it’s really just their word against Michael and his family’s — who have continued to maintain that he was totally innocent. While Michael has been in the news a lot after the Leaving Neverland documentary aired, so have his kids.
 
La74;4260356 said:
It is just a misunderstanding. Somebody had read Bill Whitfields book and wrote that according to him MJ did not SEEM to be addicted to pain medication even though he did look frail etc. According to Karen he did have a problem and ”steps were taken to save his life” during the last rehearsal but the next day he was dead. She is now so upset that she has to take her dog (I think) for a walk but I don’t think Bill and Javon ever intended to spread any misinformation. I actually think she should read the book.

The autopsy and search of his house and evidence in the trial showed he wasnt addicted to pain meds at the time of his death. Karen likes the drama
 
Oprah already said that she still believe them. she just took down all the stuff because she was getting tired of the backlash. i'm already done with her and so is my mother. Oprah was just using Michael and his family for views and money. she never liked Michael. she was always jealous of him. i believe everybody is jealous of Michael because he were just too good for this earth.

Jealously is very serious emotion. you not careful you can hurt someone or yourself.
 
Oh MAKE IT STOP ALREADY!
If it does win awards and then Wade and James and maybe even HBO looses in court and it turns out that Dan Reed has been watching child porn over the internet or done something worse (which does not sound unlikely considering some of his comments) then what will that do for the awards shows reputation. And they may have been partially sucessful in keeping Weinstein away from the news but can they really keep him out of jail. If/when he goes to jail and Oprah, Gayle and Ava supported him what will that do for their reputation? People have a short term way of thinking but then we continue to get the truth out to anyone interested.
 
Wade and safechuck and the rest are quiet now. but as we get closer to Michael passing we are gonna see alot. Michael nephew even say it. and so has my mother. so i think we all need to be ready for that day. it's best just ignore all of this until the 26th. i already got feeling the 25th gonna be a messy day for emotions. :(
 
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So what we suppose to get with these courtcases? if Michael estate wins what gonna happen? will things get back to normal?
 
I said I was going to avoid speaking about the negativity but I've just been reminded of how difficult it must be for those that are tirelessly trying to get through to people. There is a little video on Twitter with a guy binning his CD collection exclaiming "I am a proud Australian and I know when Australians are telling the truth". Speechless really. LOL

The news about the rose count is amazing!
 
If it does win awards and then Wade and James and maybe even HBO looses in court and it turns out that Dan Reed has been watching child porn over the internet or done something worse (which does not sound unlikely considering some of his comments) then what will that do for the awards shows reputation. And they may have been partially sucessful in keeping Weinstein away from the news but can they really keep him out of jail. If/when he goes to jail and Oprah, Gayle and Ava supported him what will that do for their reputation? People have a short term way of thinking but then we continue to get the truth out to anyone interested.

Wait for the flood gate to open when David Geffen dies this is the king of paedophilia Oprah is trying to protect.
 
What I find astonishing is that even if a critic believes the uncorroborated accounts of the two accusers, Leaving Neverland is STILL a bad documentary, and in fact is NOT a documentary at all.

Definition:

noun.

Using pictures or interviews with people involved in real events to provide a factual report on a particular subject.



It is bloated.
It is deliberately one-sided.
It doesn't provide any genuine evidence to support the claims made and deliberately omits counter evidence.
It deliberately edits audio to appear incriminating.
It includes video from a press conference on a completely different case in an attempt to mislead the viewer into thinking MJ's lawyer was somehow threatening 'victims'.
The documentary uses multiple pieces of footage without the appropriate permissions.
The documentary does not include any rebuttal from the Michael Jackson Estate, and none was sought, when they are the ONLY people who are able to provide Michael Jackson's response to these allegations - allegations made long after his death.
The film includes allegations that people were abused when they themselves have always insisted they weren't, and includes photos of one of them when they have requested that they be removed from the film.

Aside from all of those things, if we are to assume that Dan Reed was unaware of the train station issue and all the accusers' lies and contradictions when this was released then the research done was inadequate, either because those doing it were incompetent or because they were only seeking to support their own agenda.

The ONLY thing this has going for it is the impact it had through the excessive, fawning coverage in the news and I hold out hope that the nominations are due to that impact, more than because of the quality of the product, and that because of this the film will not win a single award.

If it wins any 'documentary film' award I will be absolutely furious because it will be an award that simply CANNOT be justified in the context of true documentary film making.
 
I just called out Absolute 80's on Twitter. This an 80's UK radio station that hasn't played any MJ since March 2nd, and an 80's music station with no MJ is just not right.

Here's what I wrote.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Leave Me Alone - Michael Jackson<br><br>You guys haven’t played any MJ since March 2nd. I’m guessing this is to do with that Leaving Neverland film. If that’s the case then it’s really disappointing that you’d stop playing his music over a biased and 1 sided film that gave no evidence</p>&mdash; PhillipJT (@phillip_jt) <a href="https://twitter.com/phillip_jt/status/1141677347806109696?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 20, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Oprah already said that she still believe them. she just took down all the stuff because she was getting tired of the backlash. i'm already done with her and so is my mother. Oprah was just using Michael and his family for views and money. she never liked Michael. she was always jealous of him. i believe everybody is jealous of Michael because he were just too good for this earth.

Jealously is very serious emotion. you not careful you can hurt someone or yourself.

What else is Oprah going to say but that. She will look bad after admitting she went along with the lie. If she really believe it, Oprah would have kept it and careless what we think if she thought she was right. No, she has egg on her face and she knows it (all of a sudden, Oprah is doing rounds, giving money and announcing it which she never did in the past, etc) and now the show on black men who was fasley accused. She knows she messed up.
 
analogue;4260420 said:
I just called out Absolute 80's on Twitter. This an 80's UK radio station that hasn't played any MJ since March 2nd, and an 80's music station with no MJ is just not right.

Here's what I wrote.
Leave Me Alone - Michael Jackson

You guys haven’t played any MJ since March 2nd. I’m guessing this is to do with that Leaving Neverland film. If that’s the case then it’s really disappointing that you’d stop playing his music over a biased and 1 sided film that gave no evidence
— PhillipJT (@phillip_jt) June 20, 2019
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Well, everyone else is playing MJ so these fools at that station is not hurting MJ. They are in the minority probably wanted to stop playing MJ anyway because what has been revealed about LN, no one in their right mind would buy into.
 
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