Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...hood-and-life-in-pop-s-first-family-mnkg92pxj

Janet Jackson has insisted her brother Michael's legacy will carry on for years to come, despite further claims of sexual misconduct made against him.*
The singer, 53, told how she loves to see children imitating her late brother's look and noted that his music is still listened to regularly 10 years after his death.
She told The Sunday Times Magazine: 'It will continue. I love it when I see kids emulating him, when adults still listen to his music. It just lets you know the impact that my family has had on the world.'
 
Part of an interview for AP with John Branca...see the complete story via link

https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainmen...umphant-years-michael-jackson-estate-63881606

A much bigger threat was to come.The estate was blindsided in January when Branca and his team learned about "Leaving Neverland," a documentary produced by Britain's Channel 4 and HBO that would premiere just a few weeks later at the Sundance Film Festival.It featured two men, Wade Robson and James Safechuck, who both spent long stretches with Jackson as boys and had said when the singer was alive that he didn't molest them, but now alleged in graphic and disturbing detail that the singer repeatedly sexually abused them as children.
Both men had filed lawsuits in 2013 about the allegations, which were dismissed, but are on appeal and represent one of the last major legal hurdles the estate faces.The pushback from the estate, calling the documentary a retread of proven falsehoods from men seeking money, began the same day the film was announced, remained persistent through its airing, and included a lawsuit against HBO.
Branca said they never considered a more muted approach."When somebody is not telling the truth, your immediate reaction is to fight back, because it's wrong," he said.The documentary led to some minor cancellations of his music from radio stations and other entities, but no real widespread, worldwide dip in his popularity.
"So many of the huge deals have already been done, it doesn't really matter if there is some fallout," Greenburg said, "and it doesn't seem to have had a huge effect anyway."
Branca said the effect has proved fleeting, "like one of those tropical storms. It's passed. Michael Jackson is alive and well and living everywhere in the world."
 
He thought he would make $$ but it is an overall flop and the tables have turned.

I'm amazed that none of the press have bought Robson's book to serialise it in their papers. I wonder if that's because Robson was asking too much for it, or because the press are not as committed to this story as they make out. I just have a feeling that this 'shoe' will eventually drop, in some form or another - maybe with input from one of the press writers eg adding in false info. from the Neverland 5.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Michael Jackson: Reading Past the Headline (by me!). I really hope you'll read and share. <a href="https://t.co/T5bjEtRZle">https://t.co/T5bjEtRZle</a></p>&mdash; andjustice4some (@andjustice4some) <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some/status/1142226929409376257?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">22. Juni 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’ve talked to Brett many times outside of Twitter. He is my friend. <a href="https://twitter.com/IAmBrettBarnes?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@IAmBrettBarnes</a> is 100% Brett’s account. <a href="https://t.co/wbUTYZyMLb">https://t.co/wbUTYZyMLb</a></p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1142643789858627585?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">23. Juni 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Incredible to see! Well done to the Italian <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJFAm?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJFAm</a> and Europark Idroscalo Milano! A new place for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> fans to visit and pay memorial to our King! &#127470;&#127481; <br>^Q <a href="https://t.co/QfB0AeOXnd">https://t.co/QfB0AeOXnd</a></p>&mdash; The MJCast (@TheMJCast) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheMJCast/status/1142628621116309505?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">23. Juni 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">That really bothered me too. Can’t believe some people still can’t see through his acting. Not to mention, wasn’t that scene shot 7 months after according to Dan’s own words. <a href="https://t.co/KOD41obPMN">https://t.co/KOD41obPMN</a></p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1142472668043628544?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">22. Juni 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A historical throwback to 2002 when Michael Jackson spoke at National Action Network’s House of Justice Saturday Action Rally. Footage via <a href="https://t.co/kYKsgSCCQO">https://t.co/kYKsgSCCQO</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RevAlThrowback?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RevAlThrowback</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NANThrowback?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NANThrowback</a> <a href="https://t.co/brO2L2kPaa">pic.twitter.com/brO2L2kPaa</a></p>&mdash; Reverend Al Sharpton (@TheRevAl) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRevAl/status/1142028796893245441?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">21. Juni 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Looking forward to discuss <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> facts with the amazing <a href="https://twitter.com/Zigmanfreud?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Zigmanfreud</a> on the 10th Anniversary of Michael Jackson's passing. Feel free to leave your comments or questions here! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/N1?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#N1</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CNN?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CNN</a> <a href="https://t.co/QOZfu83Zf0">pic.twitter.com/QOZfu83Zf0</a></p>&mdash; Ika Ferrer Goti&#263; (@IkaFerrerGotic) <a href="https://twitter.com/IkaFerrerGotic/status/1142474523733872640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">22. Juni 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thank you <a href="https://twitter.com/jin_n_t0nic?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@jin_n_t0nic</a> for the informative &amp; Truth Telling documentary Leaving Neverland: The Aftermath. Today&#8217;s screening at TCL Chinese Theatre was marvelous! This is the doc that will spread the TRUTH about <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a>. DO NOT MISS! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JusticeForMJ?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JusticeForMJ</a> &#9996;&#65039;</p>&mdash; Bruce Aguilar &#65533;&#65533;&#65039;*&#65533;&#65533; (@yensid98) <a href="https://twitter.com/yensid98/status/1142632563497811968?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 23, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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What time of the day on the 25th will John be on CNN? What time goes Ika’s show come by on? I don’t want to miss it. I hope someone here will get to watch and post it here&#128077;&#127995;
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Coming August 2019. <a href="https://t.co/fW13dTfNsA">https://t.co/fW13dTfNsA</a> <a href="https://t.co/VW8ekWetxL">pic.twitter.com/VW8ekWetxL</a></p>&mdash; Joe Vogel (@JoeVogel1) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoeVogel1/status/1139229184562270214?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 13, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Wow this is significant if CNN will air an interview with someone saying the doc is a scam. I know they will hit him with hard questions but John always comes prepared??
 
Wow this is significant if CNN will air an interview with someone saying the doc is a scam. I know they will hit him with hard questions but John always comes prepared👍🏻
Do you know if it is live or they can edit it?
 
https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/michael-jacksons-popularity-endures-scandal-63893359

Michael Jackson's popularity endures, even after new scandal
By By JONATHAN LANDRUM Jr. AP Entertainment Writer
Jun 23, 2019, 11:52

The documentary "Leaving Neverland" presented a disturbing depiction of Michael Jackson as a child molester, but the initial wave of negative publicity hasn't greatly diminished the King of Pop's image or the enduring popularity of his music.

Many believe Jackson's musical legacy is still going strong as Tuesday's 10th anniversary of his death approaches. Backlash to the documentary that aired in March on HBO and Britain's Channel 4 prompted radio stations in Canada to stop playing his music and the producers of "The Simpsons" to remove an episode that featured Jackson's voice.

But that's been the most visible extent of the backlash.

There's been no rescinding honors like has happened to Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein, or mass movements to stop playing Jackson's music, as R&B singer R. Kelly has faced.

Jackson's massively popular "Thriller" album and the theatrical version of its music video still reside in the Library of Congress' National Recording Registry. His music is still featured in commercials and is a part of a Cirque Du Soleil show in Las Vegas.


Museums in Detroit and Tennessee keep images and artifacts of Jackson on display, and his memorabilia continues to sell.

"He still commands prices compared to most any other celebrity," said Darren Julien, president and CEO of the Culver City, California-based Julien's Auctions. He said his auction house has sold around $15 million of the superstar singer's property including his white glove that went for $480,000 in 2009 and a jacket, which was recently bought for $75,000.

Julien said Russia, Asia, Middle East, Canada and America are some of the key markets where buyers are willing to spend money on Jackson's merchandise.

"He's the only celebrity where we would have lines of people to get in whenever we had stuff of his to auction," he continued. "There's only one person that compares to Marilyn Monroe in collectability, and that is Michael Jackson."

Billboard senior editor Gail Mitchell isn't surprised by support for Jackson, who she has met before. For a recent story, the veteran music journalist said she and a colleague interviewed about 30 music executives who believe the singer's legacy could withstand the "Leaving Neverland" controversy.

"Some saw the film, others didn't want to," she said. "Many said that (Jackson) is not here to defend himself the way R. Kelly is here. ... The jury is always probably going to be out. But all of the execs said his legacy will be fine."

Mitchell recently attended Janet Jackson's residency performance in Las Vegas where the singer played several of her brother's songs that had "people dancing and buzzin'" as the "crowd went wild" during classic songs from The Jackson 5, which she called "one of the highlights of show."

"There was an aura about him," Mitchell said of Jackson. "He had an energy in terms of his talent and the dancing, and I still think that aura still exists to a point. I know it's been tarnished, but I think overall that there is no denying what he brought to the table."

Jackson died at the age of 50 from an overdose of the anesthetic propofol on June 25, 2009. In an instant, Jackson's popularity surged after years of being tarnished by sexual abuse allegations and a 2005 child molestation trial, which ended with his acquittal. After Jackson's death, the criminal case nearly became an afterthought until "Leaving Neverland" was released.

The documentary focused on two men, Wade Robson and James Safechuck, who denied Jackson abused them while the singer was still alive. Both have said having their own children forced them to face the truth.

Jackson acknowledged befriending numerous children, including some he invited into his bed, but denied he molested any of them.

His estate has also vigorously denied Robson and Safechuck's allegations, calling the documentary a retread of proven falsehoods from men seeking money. A lawsuit was filed against HBO.

Despite the documentary, Jackson's music streaming numbers continued to soar, according to Ian Drew, consumer editorial director at Billboard. He said Jackson's estate has been smart about keeping his music relevant, but it could be diminished over those being "creeped out" by allegations.

Jackson's nephew said his legacy will never be destroyed.

"No lie can destroy what was given to us as a blessing from God, and that's what my uncle was," said Sigmund "Siggy" Jackson, son of Jackson's eldest brother, Jackie Jackson. "You can never destroy his legacy with a petty lie. He will be here. And even after God calls us home, his legacy will live on and never be torn down."

Film producer Jodi Gomes agrees. She believes Jackson's legacy will live on from this generation to the next, no matter what.

Gomes said the family had been working on a documentary on The Jackson 5's 50th anniversary. The contract was ready to be signed with a network, but she said it backed out after "Leaving Neverland."

"The 50th anniversary was planned and the whole family was participating and it was a celebration of what started the whole entire Jackson brand. And now, that has gotten lost in the shuffle," said Gomes, who worked on the 2009 reality series "The Jacksons: A Family Dynasty" and the 1992 miniseries "The Jacksons: An American Dream."

Siggy Jackson said his uncle's legacy will continue to win despite the "haters," but understood the logic of some companies not affiliating themselves with anything Michael Jackson.

"That's standard business. You wait until the heat burns down, so you can see after the smoke goes down," he said. "I don't fault anyone from backing off. But as far as the family, it doesn't stop anything. The plans don't stop. My uncle's legacy will never go away. Our family will make sure of that."

———

Associated Press Writer Amanda Lee Myers contributed to this report.
 
MJPoetryFan;4260754 said:
https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/michael-jacksons-popularity-endures-scandal-63893359

Michael Jackson's popularity endures, even after new scandal
By By JONATHAN LANDRUM Jr. AP Entertainment Writer
Jun 23, 2019, 11:52

The documentary "Leaving Neverland" presented a disturbing depiction of Michael Jackson as a child molester, but the initial wave of negative publicity hasn't greatly diminished the King of Pop's image or the enduring popularity of his music.

Many believe Jackson's musical legacy is still going strong as Tuesday's 10th anniversary of his death approaches. Backlash to the documentary that aired in March on HBO and Britain's Channel 4 prompted radio stations in Canada to stop playing his music and the producers of "The Simpsons" to remove an episode that featured Jackson's voice.

But that's been the most visible extent of the backlash.

There's been no rescinding honors like has happened to Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein, or mass movements to stop playing Jackson's music, as R&B singer R. Kelly has faced.

Jackson's massively popular "Thriller" album and the theatrical version of its music video still reside in the Library of Congress' National Recording Registry. His music is still featured in commercials and is a part of a Cirque Du Soleil show in Las Vegas.


Museums in Detroit and Tennessee keep images and artifacts of Jackson on display, and his memorabilia continues to sell.

"He still commands prices compared to most any other celebrity," said Darren Julien, president and CEO of the Culver City, California-based Julien's Auctions. He said his auction house has sold around $15 million of the superstar singer's property including his white glove that went for $480,000 in 2009 and a jacket, which was recently bought for $75,000.

Julien said Russia, Asia, Middle East, Canada and America are some of the key markets where buyers are willing to spend money on Jackson's merchandise.

"He's the only celebrity where we would have lines of people to get in whenever we had stuff of his to auction," he continued. "There's only one person that compares to Marilyn Monroe in collectability, and that is Michael Jackson."

Billboard senior editor Gail Mitchell isn't surprised by support for Jackson, who she has met before. For a recent story, the veteran music journalist said she and a colleague interviewed about 30 music executives who believe the singer's legacy could withstand the "Leaving Neverland" controversy.

"Some saw the film, others didn't want to," she said. "Many said that (Jackson) is not here to defend himself the way R. Kelly is here. ... The jury is always probably going to be out. But all of the execs said his legacy will be fine."

Mitchell recently attended Janet Jackson's residency performance in Las Vegas where the singer played several of her brother's songs that had "people dancing and buzzin'" as the "crowd went wild" during classic songs from The Jackson 5, which she called "one of the highlights of show."

"There was an aura about him," Mitchell said of Jackson. "He had an energy in terms of his talent and the dancing, and I still think that aura still exists to a point. I know it's been tarnished, but I think overall that there is no denying what he brought to the table."

Jackson died at the age of 50 from an overdose of the anesthetic propofol on June 25, 2009. In an instant, Jackson's popularity surged after years of being tarnished by sexual abuse allegations and a 2005 child molestation trial, which ended with his acquittal. After Jackson's death, the criminal case nearly became an afterthought until "Leaving Neverland" was released.

The documentary focused on two men, Wade Robson and James Safechuck, who denied Jackson abused them while the singer was still alive. Both have said having their own children forced them to face the truth.

Jackson acknowledged befriending numerous children, including some he invited into his bed, but denied he molested any of them.

His estate has also vigorously denied Robson and Safechuck's allegations, calling the documentary a retread of proven falsehoods from men seeking money. A lawsuit was filed against HBO.

Despite the documentary, Jackson's music streaming numbers continued to soar, according to Ian Drew, consumer editorial director at Billboard. He said Jackson's estate has been smart about keeping his music relevant, but it could be diminished over those being "creeped out" by allegations.

Jackson's nephew said his legacy will never be destroyed.

"No lie can destroy what was given to us as a blessing from God, and that's what my uncle was," said Sigmund "Siggy" Jackson, son of Jackson's eldest brother, Jackie Jackson. "You can never destroy his legacy with a petty lie. He will be here. And even after God calls us home, his legacy will live on and never be torn down."

Film producer Jodi Gomes agrees. She believes Jackson's legacy will live on from this generation to the next, no matter what.

Gomes said the family had been working on a documentary on The Jackson 5's 50th anniversary. The contract was ready to be signed with a network, but she said it backed out after "Leaving Neverland."

"The 50th anniversary was planned and the whole family was participating and it was a celebration of what started the whole entire Jackson brand. And now, that has gotten lost in the shuffle," said Gomes, who worked on the 2009 reality series "The Jacksons: A Family Dynasty" and the 1992 miniseries "The Jacksons: An American Dream."

Siggy Jackson said his uncle's legacy will continue to win despite the "haters," but understood the logic of some companies not affiliating themselves with anything Michael Jackson.

"That's standard business. You wait until the heat burns down, so you can see after the smoke goes down," he said. "I don't fault anyone from backing off. But as far as the family, it doesn't stop anything. The plans don't stop. My uncle's legacy will never go away. Our family will make sure of that."

———

Associated Press Writer Amanda Lee Myers contributed to this report.

Wonderful article!!:clap:
 
MJPoetryFan;4260754 said:
https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/michael-jacksons-popularity-endures-scandal-63893359

Michael Jackson's popularity endures, even after new scandal
By By JONATHAN LANDRUM Jr. AP Entertainment Writer
Jun 23, 2019, 11:52

The documentary "Leaving Neverland" presented a disturbing depiction of Michael Jackson as a child molester, but the initial wave of negative publicity hasn't greatly diminished the King of Pop's image or the enduring popularity of his music.

Many believe Jackson's musical legacy is still going strong as Tuesday's 10th anniversary of his death approaches. Backlash to the documentary that aired in March on HBO and Britain's Channel 4 prompted radio stations in Canada to stop playing his music and the producers of "The Simpsons" to remove an episode that featured Jackson's voice.

But that's been the most visible extent of the backlash.

There's been no rescinding honors like has happened to Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein, or mass movements to stop playing Jackson's music, as R&B singer R. Kelly has faced.

Jackson's massively popular "Thriller" album and the theatrical version of its music video still reside in the Library of Congress' National Recording Registry. His music is still featured in commercials and is a part of a Cirque Du Soleil show in Las Vegas.


Museums in Detroit and Tennessee keep images and artifacts of Jackson on display, and his memorabilia continues to sell.

"He still commands prices compared to most any other celebrity," said Darren Julien, president and CEO of the Culver City, California-based Julien's Auctions. He said his auction house has sold around $15 million of the superstar singer's property including his white glove that went for $480,000 in 2009 and a jacket, which was recently bought for $75,000.

Julien said Russia, Asia, Middle East, Canada and America are some of the key markets where buyers are willing to spend money on Jackson's merchandise.

"He's the only celebrity where we would have lines of people to get in whenever we had stuff of his to auction," he continued. "There's only one person that compares to Marilyn Monroe in collectability, and that is Michael Jackson."

Billboard senior editor Gail Mitchell isn't surprised by support for Jackson, who she has met before. For a recent story, the veteran music journalist said she and a colleague interviewed about 30 music executives who believe the singer's legacy could withstand the "Leaving Neverland" controversy.

"Some saw the film, others didn't want to," she said. "Many said that (Jackson) is not here to defend himself the way R. Kelly is here. ... The jury is always probably going to be out. But all of the execs said his legacy will be fine."

Mitchell recently attended Janet Jackson's residency performance in Las Vegas where the singer played several of her brother's songs that had "people dancing and buzzin'" as the "crowd went wild" during classic songs from The Jackson 5, which she called "one of the highlights of show."

"There was an aura about him," Mitchell said of Jackson. "He had an energy in terms of his talent and the dancing, and I still think that aura still exists to a point. I know it's been tarnished, but I think overall that there is no denying what he brought to the table."

Jackson died at the age of 50 from an overdose of the anesthetic propofol on June 25, 2009. In an instant, Jackson's popularity surged after years of being tarnished by sexual abuse allegations and a 2005 child molestation trial, which ended with his acquittal. After Jackson's death, the criminal case nearly became an afterthought until "Leaving Neverland" was released.

The documentary focused on two men, Wade Robson and James Safechuck, who denied Jackson abused them while the singer was still alive. Both have said having their own children forced them to face the truth.

Jackson acknowledged befriending numerous children, including some he invited into his bed, but denied he molested any of them.

His estate has also vigorously denied Robson and Safechuck's allegations, calling the documentary a retread of proven falsehoods from men seeking money. A lawsuit was filed against HBO.

Despite the documentary, Jackson's music streaming numbers continued to soar, according to Ian Drew, consumer editorial director at Billboard. He said Jackson's estate has been smart about keeping his music relevant, but it could be diminished over those being "creeped out" by allegations.

Jackson's nephew said his legacy will never be destroyed.

"No lie can destroy what was given to us as a blessing from God, and that's what my uncle was," said Sigmund "Siggy" Jackson, son of Jackson's eldest brother, Jackie Jackson. "You can never destroy his legacy with a petty lie. He will be here. And even after God calls us home, his legacy will live on and never be torn down."

Film producer Jodi Gomes agrees. She believes Jackson's legacy will live on from this generation to the next, no matter what.

Gomes said the family had been working on a documentary on The Jackson 5's 50th anniversary. The contract was ready to be signed with a network, but she said it backed out after "Leaving Neverland."

"The 50th anniversary was planned and the whole family was participating and it was a celebration of what started the whole entire Jackson brand. And now, that has gotten lost in the shuffle," said Gomes, who worked on the 2009 reality series "The Jacksons: A Family Dynasty" and the 1992 miniseries "The Jacksons: An American Dream."

Siggy Jackson said his uncle's legacy will continue to win despite the "haters," but understood the logic of some companies not affiliating themselves with anything Michael Jackson.

"That's standard business. You wait until the heat burns down, so you can see after the smoke goes down," he said. "I don't fault anyone from backing off. But as far as the family, it doesn't stop anything. The plans don't stop. My uncle's legacy will never go away. Our family will make sure of that."

———

Associated Press Writer Amanda Lee Myers contributed to this report.

This positive and great article needs to be posted under “good news” and major discussion forum. It also needs to be shared EVERYWHERE!!
 
The psychopath Finaldy is claiming more than a dozen so called victims came forward after LN but all he offers details on is the infamous woman who claimed she was raped when she was a child but withdraw her case before the estate could identify her. The extreme lies there is zero chance their lawyers believe them otherwise they would not be so desperate to lie. Of course he talks about a recent change in law that allows the two prejurers to seek damages now of course this is a complete lie. Where is your motion bastard since you have more than a dozen victims and the law has recently changed to your advantage why you keep asking for extensions?
 
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The psychopath Finaldy is claiming more than a dozen so called victims came forward after LN but all he offers details on is the infamous woman who claimed she was raped when she was a child but withdraw her case before the estate could identify her. The extreme lies there is zero chance their lawyers believe them otherwise they would not be so desperate to lie. Of course he talks about a recent change in law that allows the two prejurers to seek damages now of course this is a complete lie. Where is your motion bastard since you have more than a dozen victims and the law has recently changed to your advantage why you keep asking for extensions?


I think the Estate was probably able to identify her. Firstly I'm not sure that the Estate only received redacted papers, and secondly the fan(s) who obtained the papers to share online indicated that there was at least one instance where the name (or part of a name) had not been redacted. - but the fans redacted it themselves ( I think you would be in contempt if you identified a complainant where the court had agreed they could be anonymous.)

Edited: I found the article.

'Michael Jackson sex abuse victims mourn king of pop they say gave them PTSD'
It also says:

Following outrage over the HBO documentary &#8211; which aired worldwide in March &#8211; Mr Finaldi said more than a dozen previously unknown victims of the Thriller star had come forward.

These include a woman who claims to have been repeatedly molested by Jackson when she was aged 13 and 14.

The lawyer, based in Irvine, California, who specialises in child sex cases, said: &#8220;I have copies of cheques to her from Jackson&#8217;s music production company that he personally signed. There is zero doubt in my mind that she is telling the truth.&#8221;

Mr Finaldi now believes the singer may have molested &#8220;more than 100 children across the United States over the course of many years&#8221;.

These lawyers really are reaching.

As to the girl, her case was withdrawn I understand. That seems to indicate that she wasn't willing to undergo any legal / public scrutiny. She also isn't 'previously unknown'.

Regarding R and S claiming they have 'PTSD'; they said in LN that their fake 'experiences' were not traumatic, didn't they?

The article continues:
In a scathing attack on Jackson&#8217;s former aides, household and security staff, he went on: &#8220;Not one of them lifted a finger to help a single child. Some of them must have known about the groping and the fondling in tents, hot tubs and elsewhere on the estate.

&#8220;One of them could have called the police or the FBI, even anonymously. But they didn&#8217;t. They did whatever Michael Jackson told them to do and ignored the greater responsibility they should have had to ensure those kids&#8217; safety.&#8221;

Mr Finaldi added: &#8220;You have to have the intestinal fortitude to act in situations like this, whether it&#8217;s a co-worker or an employer. But, again, they didn&#8217;t.&#8221;

Later this summer, he aims to launch a multi-million dollar lawsuit against Jackson&#8217;s estate &#8211; which earned more than £300million last year &#8211; on behalf of Robson and Safechuck.

A judge previously ruled so much time had elapsed that their original lawsuits were outside the statute of limitations.

But a recent change in California state law means judges can now overrule the statute in cases where adults can show they are still suffering as a result of childhood abuse.

In the cases of Robson and Safechuck, who claim Jackson started molesting them when they were seven and eight respectively, their PTSD proves the &#8220;lifelong psychological damage Jackson inflicted&#8221;, said Mr Finaldi.

And their legal action will open the floodgates for countless others, according to the lawyer who confirmed: &#8220;I think there is little doubt there will be other cases.&#8221;

Asked if he believes an onslaught of multiple lawsuits could bankrupt Jackson&#8217;s estate, he replied: &#8220;I&#8217;m not going to speculate on that. But I do believe we are talking about litigation that could last for decades rather than years.&#8221;

....John Branca, co-executor of Jackson&#8217;s estate, declined to discuss individual points but said in a statement issued through his own lawyer: &#8220;Leaving Neverland is a discredited infomercial for a failing lawsuit.

&#8220;It was done in secrecy, is one-sided, untruthful and does not meet any journalistic standard known to mankind.

&#8220;Any story in this infomercial that can be objectively verified has been found to be false.&#8221;

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There is new Calif. legislation SB813 , but this doesn't seem to be the legislation referred to.
(It appears to mean that there would be no 'statute of limitations' for any NEW accuser(s) coming forward to allege offences against a living person after this Bill came into effect. )

Senate Bill 813, a new law that went into effect at the beginning of 2017, ends the statute of limitations on felony sex offenses. This means charges of rape, sodomy, lewd or lascivious acts, continuous sexual abuse of a child, oral copulation and other sex crimes can be brought against you at any time after the alleged crime took place.

Previously, felony sex crimes generally had a 10-year statute of limitations, meaning you could not be prosecuted for the crime if more than 10 years had passed since the incident allegedly took place. However, there were significant exceptions for sex offenses.

These exceptions included when DNA evidence linking you to a sex crime was discovered and, in cases where the alleged victim was under the age of 18 at the time of the offense, after the victim&#8217;s 40th birthday. The new law takes these exceptions a step further and completely eliminates the statute of limitations.

The law applies to crimes committed after Jan. 1, 2017, and crimes where the statute of limitations was in effect prior to Jan. 1, 2017 and had not expired before that date.

Other draft legislation with wider time periods for complaint was voted down in 2014 (so was not brought into law):

SB 924, introduced on January 29, 2014, would have increased the maximum age to bring a
civil action from 26 to 40. The bill would also have removed the objective standard language
(&#8220;discovers or reasonably should have discovered&#8221;) and allowed an action within 5 years
(previously 3 years) from the date the fact of the psychological injury and its causal
connection to the childhood sexual abuse is first communicated to the victim. The bill would
have applied to both private and public entities and would have had prospective effect.
Governor Brown vetoed the bill on September 30, 2014. It does not appear that any similar
bills have been proposed since that time.
 
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Paris78;4260729 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’ve talked to Brett many times outside of Twitter. He is my friend. <a href="https://twitter.com/IAmBrettBarnes?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@IAmBrettBarnes</a> is 100% Brett’s account. <a href="https://t.co/wbUTYZyMLb">https://t.co/wbUTYZyMLb</a></p>— Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1142643789858627585?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">23. Juni 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Incredible to see! Well done to the Italian <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJFAm?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJFAm</a> and Europark Idroscalo Milano! A new place for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> fans to visit and pay memorial to our King! &#127470;&#127481; <br>^Q <a href="https://t.co/QfB0AeOXnd">https://t.co/QfB0AeOXnd</a></p>— The MJCast (@TheMJCast) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheMJCast/status/1142628621116309505?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">23. Juni 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">That really bothered me too. Can’t believe some people still can’t see through his acting. Not to mention, wasn’t that scene shot 7 months after according to Dan’s own words. <a href="https://t.co/KOD41obPMN">https://t.co/KOD41obPMN</a></p>— Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1142472668043628544?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">22. Juni 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A historical throwback to 2002 when Michael Jackson spoke at National Action Network’s House of Justice Saturday Action Rally. Footage via <a href="https://t.co/kYKsgSCCQO">https://t.co/kYKsgSCCQO</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RevAlThrowback?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RevAlThrowback</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NANThrowback?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NANThrowback</a> <a href="https://t.co/brO2L2kPaa">pic.twitter.com/brO2L2kPaa</a></p>— Reverend Al Sharpton (@TheRevAl) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRevAl/status/1142028796893245441?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">21. Juni 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Looking forward to discuss <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> facts with the amazing <a href="https://twitter.com/Zigmanfreud?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Zigmanfreud</a> on the 10th Anniversary of Michael Jackson's passing. Feel free to leave your comments or questions here! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/N1?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#N1</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CNN?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CNN</a> <a href="https://t.co/QOZfu83Zf0">pic.twitter.com/QOZfu83Zf0</a></p>— Ika Ferrer Goti&#263; (@IkaFerrerGotic) <a href="https://twitter.com/IkaFerrerGotic/status/1142474523733872640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">22. Juni 2019</a></blockquote>
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John Ziegler interview with this woman could potentialen be something really good. Look at her tweet. She seems to be on our side https://mobile.twitter.com/IkaFerrerGotic.
 
I think the Estate was probably able to identify her. Firstly I'm not sure that the Estate only received redacted papers, and secondly the fan(s) who obtained the papers to share online indicated that there was at least one instance where the name (or part of a name) had not been redacted. - but the fans redacted it themselves ( I think you would be in contempt if you identified a complainant where the court had agreed they could be anonymous.)

Edited: I found the article.

'Michael Jackson sex abuse victims mourn king of pop they say gave them PTSD'
It also says:



These lawyers really are reaching.

As to the girl, her case was withdrawn I understand. That seems to indicate that she wasn't willing to undergo any legal / public scrutiny. She also isn't 'previously unknown'.

Regarding R and S claiming they have 'PTSD'; they said in LN that their fake 'experiences' were not traumatic, didn't they?

The article continues:


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There is new Calif. legislation SB813 , but this doesn't seem to be the legislation referred to.
(It appears to mean that there would be no 'statute of limitations' for any NEW accuser(s) coming forward to allege offences against a living person after this Bill came into effect. )



Other draft legislation with wider time periods for complaint was voted down in 2014 (so was not brought into law):
Seems desperate but also Michaels living staff could sue over this.
 
Guys, I've been a bit absent cuz I've been working on another project. Well two! One writing and the other still gathering info.

I'll be announcing release date for the upcoming project soon.

Check out Rasheed (@rasheedKOPV): https://twitter.com/rasheedKOPV?s=09
 
MJPoetryFan;4260754 said:
https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/michael-jacksons-popularity-endures-scandal-63893359

Michael Jackson's popularity endures, even after new scandal
By By JONATHAN LANDRUM Jr. AP Entertainment Writer
Jun 23, 2019, 11:52

The documentary "Leaving Neverland" presented a disturbing depiction of Michael Jackson as a child molester, but the initial wave of negative publicity hasn't greatly diminished the King of Pop's image or the enduring popularity of his music.

Many believe Jackson's musical legacy is still going strong as Tuesday's 10th anniversary of his death approaches. Backlash to the documentary that aired in March on HBO and Britain's Channel 4 prompted radio stations in Canada to stop playing his music and the producers of "The Simpsons" to remove an episode that featured Jackson's voice.

But that's been the most visible extent of the backlash.

There's been no rescinding honors like has happened to Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein, or mass movements to stop playing Jackson's music, as R&B singer R. Kelly has faced.

Jackson's massively popular "Thriller" album and the theatrical version of its music video still reside in the Library of Congress' National Recording Registry. His music is still featured in commercials and is a part of a Cirque Du Soleil show in Las Vegas.


Museums in Detroit and Tennessee keep images and artifacts of Jackson on display, and his memorabilia continues to sell.

"He still commands prices compared to most any other celebrity," said Darren Julien, president and CEO of the Culver City, California-based Julien's Auctions. He said his auction house has sold around $15 million of the superstar singer's property including his white glove that went for $480,000 in 2009 and a jacket, which was recently bought for $75,000.

Julien said Russia, Asia, Middle East, Canada and America are some of the key markets where buyers are willing to spend money on Jackson's merchandise.

"He's the only celebrity where we would have lines of people to get in whenever we had stuff of his to auction," he continued. "There's only one person that compares to Marilyn Monroe in collectability, and that is Michael Jackson."

Billboard senior editor Gail Mitchell isn't surprised by support for Jackson, who she has met before. For a recent story, the veteran music journalist said she and a colleague interviewed about 30 music executives who believe the singer's legacy could withstand the "Leaving Neverland" controversy.

"Some saw the film, others didn't want to," she said. "Many said that (Jackson) is not here to defend himself the way R. Kelly is here. ... The jury is always probably going to be out. But all of the execs said his legacy will be fine."

Mitchell recently attended Janet Jackson's residency performance in Las Vegas where the singer played several of her brother's songs that had "people dancing and buzzin'" as the "crowd went wild" during classic songs from The Jackson 5, which she called "one of the highlights of show."

"There was an aura about him," Mitchell said of Jackson. "He had an energy in terms of his talent and the dancing, and I still think that aura still exists to a point. I know it's been tarnished, but I think overall that there is no denying what he brought to the table."

Jackson died at the age of 50 from an overdose of the anesthetic propofol on June 25, 2009. In an instant, Jackson's popularity surged after years of being tarnished by sexual abuse allegations and a 2005 child molestation trial, which ended with his acquittal. After Jackson's death, the criminal case nearly became an afterthought until "Leaving Neverland" was released.

The documentary focused on two men, Wade Robson and James Safechuck, who denied Jackson abused them while the singer was still alive. Both have said having their own children forced them to face the truth.

Jackson acknowledged befriending numerous children, including some he invited into his bed, but denied he molested any of them.

His estate has also vigorously denied Robson and Safechuck's allegations, calling the documentary a retread of proven falsehoods from men seeking money. A lawsuit was filed against HBO.

Despite the documentary, Jackson's music streaming numbers continued to soar, according to Ian Drew, consumer editorial director at Billboard. He said Jackson's estate has been smart about keeping his music relevant, but it could be diminished over those being "creeped out" by allegations.

Jackson's nephew said his legacy will never be destroyed.

"No lie can destroy what was given to us as a blessing from God, and that's what my uncle was," said Sigmund "Siggy" Jackson, son of Jackson's eldest brother, Jackie Jackson. "You can never destroy his legacy with a petty lie. He will be here. And even after God calls us home, his legacy will live on and never be torn down."

Film producer Jodi Gomes agrees. She believes Jackson's legacy will live on from this generation to the next, no matter what.

Gomes said the family had been working on a documentary on The Jackson 5's 50th anniversary. The contract was ready to be signed with a network, but she said it backed out after "Leaving Neverland."

"The 50th anniversary was planned and the whole family was participating and it was a celebration of what started the whole entire Jackson brand. And now, that has gotten lost in the shuffle," said Gomes, who worked on the 2009 reality series "The Jacksons: A Family Dynasty" and the 1992 miniseries "The Jacksons: An American Dream."

Siggy Jackson said his uncle's legacy will continue to win despite the "haters," but understood the logic of some companies not affiliating themselves with anything Michael Jackson.

"That's standard business. You wait until the heat burns down, so you can see after the smoke goes down," he said. "I don't fault anyone from backing off. But as far as the family, it doesn't stop anything. The plans don't stop. My uncle's legacy will never go away. Our family will make sure of that."

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Associated Press Writer Amanda Lee Myers contributed to this report.

That&#8217;s very well said, but I wish they stop mentioning Canada killed his music of radio, they didn&#8217;t get the fact straight that it wad Quebec radio stations own but Cogeco that killed it, leaving the rest of the radio stations nationwide which are own by both Bell, Rogers and Corus leaving them alone on radio. It was just Quebec, not Canada completely.
 
On one hand I can appreciate the mention that MJ's legacy stays intact... However, THIS is not the conversation we should even be happening right now. It pisses me off! agh
 
On one hand I can appreciate the mention that MJ's legacy stays intact... However, THIS is not the conversation we should even be happening right now. It pisses me off! agh

The truth will be revealed when David Geffen dies or his victims start to come forward then all hell will break loose.
 
MJ will live forever. Too many cards involved.. the house will fall one day and MJ will prevail.
 
Thanks innuendo

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elusive moonwalker;4260827 said:
Thanks innuendo

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Vince Finaldi's firm, who represents #LeavingNeverland Robson and Safechuck, recently paid a 7-figure settlement for fabricating evidence and forging documents to support another bogus abuse claim & documentary.#IKnewLeavingNeverlandWasBS https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/hollywood-sex-abuse-accusers-lawyers-800601

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1:53 AM - Jun 24, 2019

In a rational world, where the credibility issues in Leaving Neverland have already been discussed,and the lies and contradictions in Wade and James' legal paperwork have been exposed in the press, this news would be a bombshell moment where the film is completely dismissed as a fraud.

But this isn't a rational world and the press will continue to push the idea that those two scam artists are credible, ignoring anything and everything that shows there is considerable room for doubt.
 
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