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The Michael/Paul McCartney/Beatles Catalog Story - What's the real story? [MERGED]

Re: The Michael/Paul McCartney/Beatles Catalog Story - What's the real story?

Bonnie Blue said:
Macca's constant whining about losing his catalogue to mj led to the ridiculous story that mj, riddled with guilt, changed his will and left the beatles catalogue to macca. I thought this story was one of the millions that emerged after 25 june but when i checked, it came out in jan 09, probably around the time halperin was saying mj only had months to live. .
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Yes, that story came from Halperin.
 
Macca said recently: “The annoying thing is I have to pay to play some of my own songs. Each time I want to sing Hey Jude I have to pay.”

What Macca said above is true, I saw him saying it in one interview, so it is not tabloid info.
He is a bit hippocratic, as the same applies to all artists that he has in his catalogue, but of course because its Sir Paul McCartney, he should above all that :doh:
 
Do you think it was wrong for Michael to take The Beatles Catalog away from Paul McCartney?

Okay i hope this okay. i wanna start of this thread by saying that this no hate to both artists in any sort of way. i like both artists music. and if any artists did anything wrong i will speak out at it because it wrong and not right. both artists are not perfect at all and human beings.

now with that being said.

now i have two opinions here. do you think it was wrong for Michael to take catalog away from Paul?

my first opinion is kind of yes. why?

because paul want it that catalog but he didn't have the money to buy it right away. he was only teasing Michael about buying the catalog not him actually buying it.

and my second opinion no. why?

because Michael was a big fan of the beatles. not only that but it made more black/african americans and other backgrounds to come in company.

do to all of this they friendship broke off and now Paul is on team Michael is guilty because of all this.

in someways it sad because they were best friends and a stupid catalog broke their friendship. i understand things like this happens but it still sucks they friendship broke off because a stupid catalog.

but anyway,

leave your thoughts and opinions here.
 
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If Michael hadn’t bought it, someone else would have. The other bidders were huge corporations, and I wouldn’t even want to think of what they would have done with the catalog. Paul did have the money, but he thought the price was too high, so he didn’t bid on it. His loss. I like Paul, but he needs to let this rest. It’s not like he ended up in the poor house because of MJ.
 
NatureCriminal7896;4286141 said:
do to all of this they friendship broke off and now Paul is on team Michael is guilty because of all this.

in someways it sad because they were best friends and a stupid catalog broke their friendship. i understand things like this happens but it still sucks they friendship broke off because a stupid catalog.
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I highly doubt that Paul believing Leaving Neverland has anything to do with the catalog at all.

ScreenOrigami;4286142 said:
If Michael hadn’t bought it, someone else would have. The other bidders were huge corporations, and I wouldn’t even want to think of what they would have done with the catalog.
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I agree with you.
 
Re: Do you think it was wrong for Michael to take The Beatles Catalog away from Paul McCartney?

No. Michael bought the catalog fair and square.
 
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Re: Do you think it was wrong for Michael to take The Beatles Catalog away from Paul McCartney?

ScreenOrigami said:
Manuela Bezamat (@manuelabezamat) made a very detailed Twitter thread on this topic. Quite handy to send to people who are still unsure about how this whole thing unfolded. :)

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1217021240902389760.html
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Thank you for posting this- FACTS!!! 100%!! The lies that Paul McCartney has perpetuated all these years is just ONE of the reasons that the some in the industry and the MSM has this hate towards Michael. I wonder why Paul never speaks on the fact that Yoko Ono did not WANT him to have the rights to this catalogue. Paul could have cleared up this misinformation about Michael, years ago. YET, he allowed it to fester and fans of the Beatles, including the media and the industry used it against Michael. For newer fans of MJ, this is what all of the media hate is against Michael. The fake allegations have ALWAYS been a smoke screen. Older fans have always known the agenda behind the hate and jealousy of Michael and it has crap to do with fake abuse allegations.
 
dethorro;4286145 said:
I highly doubt that Paul believing Leaving Neverland has anything to do with the catalog at all.



I agree with you.
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Let’s not forget that Paul McCartney was on David Geffen’s boat with Oprah, Gale and other conspirators when the child porn/NAMBLA film LN was shown. Yes, a big portion of this hate/jealousy toward Michael has a LOT to do with his purchase of the ATV catalogue. Another thing is that Michael refused Geffen’s advances toward him(confirmed by PEOPLE IN THE KNOW) years ago. Geffen never forgave Michael for that and threatened to destroy him. He is STILL trying to do that 11 years after his death. The viewing of the NAMBLA film on Geffen’s yacht was NO COINCEDENCE. Don’t be fooled by the fake allegations and the lies and manipulations of the media. This is and has ALWAYS been a part of the AGENDA! Every AWARE fan and supporter knows this and have known it for over 30+ years.
 
somewhereinthedark;4286157 said:
Let’s not forget that Paul McCartney was on David Geffen’s boat with Oprah, Gale and other conspirators when the child porn/NAMBLA film LN was shown. Yes, a big portion of this hate/jealousy toward Michael has a LOT to do with his purchase of the ATV catalogue. Another thing is that Michael refused Geffen’s advances toward him(confirmed by PEOPLE IN THE KNOW) years ago. Geffen never forgave Michael for that and threatened to destroy him. He is STILL trying to do that 11 years after his death. The viewing of the NAMBLA film on Geffen’s yacht was NO COINCEDENCE. Don’t be fooled by the fake allegations and the lies and manipulations of the media. This is and has ALWAYS been a part of the AGENDA! Every AWARE fan and supporter knows this and have known it for over 30+ years.
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This is the main reason why I don’t trust Paul anymore other and whining about the catalogue too much and why I hardly listen to the “Beatles” anymore.
 
Re: Do you think it was wrong for Michael to take The Beatles Catalog away from Paul McCartney?

I always preferred the demo version of The Girl Is Mine
 
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To the people here saying “I’m not listening to the Beatles after what Paul McCartney did to Michael.” You can still enjoy someone’s music and everything else about them but still criticize when they are wrong about things.
 
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somewhereinthedark said:
Thank you for posting this- FACTS!!! 100%!! The lies that Paul McCartney has perpetuated all these years is just ONE of the reasons that the some in the industry and the MSM has this hate towards Michael. I wonder why Paul never speaks on the fact that Yoko Ono did not WANT him to have the rights to this catalogue. Paul could have cleared up this misinformation about Michael, years ago. YET, he allowed it to fester and fans of the Beatles, including the media and the industry used it against Michael. For newer fans of MJ, this is what all of the media hate is against Michael. The fake allegations have ALWAYS been a smoke screen. Older fans have always known the agenda behind the hate and jealousy of Michael and it has crap to do with fake abuse allegations.
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You summed it. Also, Paul OWNS alot of other artists music (that is why he was viewed as the richest musician) and alot of black artists music. Bo Didley talked about Paul owning his music. where is the outrage on that? Let just keep it 100, many were upset that a black artist (MJ)was able to own the biggest white group music (Beatles). Amazing after MJ got the catolog, UK started calling MJ out of his name. Do they do that to anyone else (and lord knows there are many others who can be viewed as 'weird" or "odd" whom they do NOT disrespect if they want to stand behind that stupid logic)?
 
Re: Do you think it was wrong for Michael to take The Beatles Catalog away from Paul McCartney?

I guess that Michael Jackson was the best heart to buy that.
can you imagine in other hands? evil hands? a corporation who can't see the legacy, the art, just the money coming?
Nahh... I'm happy it was w/ Michael.
 
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Electro;4286193 said:
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Do you happen to know on which occasion this photo was taken? I find it quite interesting to see Michael flash one of his trademark huge smiles with beaming eyes, making an open gesture with his arms, showing the palms of his hands, while Paul puts on an act with a clenched fist. There’s probably some funny story that led to this particular pose, but in hindsight it’s somehow symbolic. :laughing:
 
ScreenOrigami;4286205 said:
Do you happen to know on which occasion this photo was taken? I find it quite interesting to see Michael flash one of his trademark huge smiles with beaming eyes, making an open gesture with his arms, showing the palms of his hands, while Paul puts on an act with a clenched fist. There’s probably some funny story that led to this particular pose, but in hindsight it’s somehow symbolic. :laughing:
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No idea. Backstage at some late 80s award show? By Michaels look, it was obviously some years after the ATV catalogue purchase. Maybe the first time the two saw each other again in person after the whole ATV thing, and those poses probably were meant to symbolize exactly that. :D


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It says "backstage after a Paul concert in L.A. in 1989." here:
http://www.meetthebeatlesforreal.com/2009/06/beatles-and-jackson.html
 
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ScreenOrigami;4286205 said:
Do you happen to know on which occasion this photo was taken? I find it quite interesting to see Michael flash one of his trademark huge smiles with beaming eyes, making an open gesture with his arms, showing the palms of his hands, while Paul puts on an act with a clenched fist. There’s probably some funny story that led to this particular pose, but in hindsight it’s somehow symbolic. :laughing:
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That was taken in November 89' backstage at a Paul McCartney concert. It was his first solo tour and he played 5 nights at The Forum in Inglewood.
 
Electro;4286206 said:
No idea. Backstage at some late 80s award show? By Michaels look, it was obviously some years after the ATV catalogue purchase. Maybe the first time the two saw each other again in person after the whole ATV thing, and those poses probably were meant to symbolize exactly that. :D


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It says "backstage after a Paul concert in L.A. in 1989." here:
http://www.meetthebeatlesforreal.com/2009/06/beatles-and-jackson.html
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dethorro;4286208 said:
That was taken in November 89' backstage at a Paul McCartney concert. It was his first solo tour and he played 5 nights at The Forum in Inglewood.
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So, we’re talking about 4 full years for their “fallout” to unfold? I mean, if Paul really had thought at that time that MJ had taken unfair advantage of the catalog sale, he wouldn’t have posed for a funny photo, or would he?
 
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Mcartney is a hypocrite. Owning other artists music. At the end of the day he messed up.selling and not be re buying when he had the chance but instead of admitting it he would rather blame someone else. So go along with the MSM and turn mj into the wipping boy.
 
elusive moonwalker;4286225 said:
Mcartney is a hypocrite. Owning other artists music. At the end of the day he messed up.selling and not be re buying when he had the chance but instead of admitting it he would rather blame someone else. So go along with the MSM and turn mj into the wipping boy.
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Most people just don’t like to look stupid, so they blame other people for their mistakes whenever they can. It’s human nature, I guess. ;)
It’s also very telling that MJ remained friends with Yoko Ono. Unlike Paul, she was totally ok with MJ buying the catalog. I wonder why. :laughing:
 
Re: Do you think it was wrong for Michael to take The Beatles Catalog away from Paul McCartney?

What I think was wrong was not giving Paul a better deal once he bought the catalogue. Given their friendship and that he knew Paul wanted the rights to his music, that is the least he could have done. It was also wrong to commercialise the songs against the wishes of Paul and the other Beatles. I can certainly understand Paul feeling hurt and betrayed by both of those aspects. If I was in Michael's position I would have either not bought the catalogue at all - due to conflict of interest - or bought it and given Paul the rights to his music. But then, loyalty is very important to me.

Paul was put on the spot about Leaving Neverland so he gave an answer. An answer which was civil and acceptable, given the gravity of the allegations and the fact that their friendship had ended decades earlier.

Also, a lot of people know David Geffen and associate with David Geffen, that has nothing to do with anything, so I don't know why some people insist on bringing that up when it comes to Paul. He was on Geffen's boat, wow, who cares. You can't "guilt by association" every single person who knows people like Geffen, Oprah, etc. They are huge people in the business. Does being friends with R. Kelly and Brett Ratner mean Michael was also guilty of being a perve? No. Give it a rest.
 
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Paul was very rich he had every opportunity to bid for the cat. Why should mj have given him the songs back. You could say that about all the other songs in the cat that mj may have known the artists. Artists who didnt have much income and had been screwed over by labels were given songs back by mj. because mj thought it was the right thing to do and he loved those artists. Mcartney was neither of them. He had his chance fair and square and lost it.he made a bad business decision. His fault not mjs and not for mj to feel sorry for him like he was the victim. And for buying the ATV (well the beatles songs cause thats what grated the establishment) mj was punished for it forever and a day. it would be bad business sense to spend tens of millions on songs and then not use them to make profit and exploit the ownership of them. Thats why they were bought for 40 plus mill and sold for knocking on a billion when you add on the 95 deal

Macartney should give back all the songs he owns. Especially if those artists are rich and powerful and had opportunities to either keep them or re buy them but because of bad business sense didnt. I doubt he would as he would call it business.

No one batters an eyelid at all the black artists who got screwed over and ended up with jack thanks to labels. but god forbid one did what mj did. How dare you!
 
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Re: Do you think it was wrong for Michael to take The Beatles Catalog away from Paul McCartney?

I'm trying to find the pics, but I think Paul and Linda visited Michael during the making of the Black Or White short film.
 
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analogue;4286255 said:
I'm trying to find the pics, but I think Paul and Linda visited Michael during the making of the Black Or White short film.
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Right! I totally forgot about that! So we’re in 1991 now. 6 years after MJ bought the catalog. And you can tell by their faces how angry they were. Not.
Paul, I really love you, but come on! :laughing:
 
Back in the day when Paul started telling his own version of events, he couldn’t anticipate that this thing called “internet” would soon make all kinds of photos and videos publicly available to everyone. :laughing:

And like with just about everything else regarding MJ, reconstructing the timeline of events allows for some interesting insights. ;)
 
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