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Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

myosotis said:
Thank you- I really appreciate that :flowers:

I think I'm just taking a slightly different view because after last year, I'm glad that a publication like the Guardian is saying *anything remotely positive* about MJ's music, even if the comments on the music are laced with 'allegation' references.

My different take on this is that anyone who likes MJ's music 'casually', will probably read the article and realise that (despite LN) this writer accepts that MJ's music is not 'media- / public opinion-cancelled'. And 'haters' will read that too, and maybe accept the fact - and hopefully stop complaining to radio stations/ DJ's etc when his music is played.

And very importantly on social media if anyone says 'yes, but *the allegations*', articles like these give fans a chance to respond and give more information to show that LN was indeed trash. And so by very small 'baby steps', fans can push back, minute by minute and day by day. Like a glacier, the sheer relentlessness and weight of fan's opinion (backed by evidence and by sharing important information hidden by the media) will (and is already) carrying the truth to a wider audience.

So while I can thoroughly disagree with the way an article like this (in the Guardian) is written, I'm content to use it as a platform from which to engage with people who may not be members of the fan community on social media, and who need to see the real truth. (Even if they don't like that truth).

(Edited to add...And as a general point, anyone who likes a particular song usually finds it hard to dislike the singer. A love of MJ's music is the surest route to a curiosity about and a love for the true MJ himself).
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To me it's just them admitting defeat on the "cancel MJ's music" field and moving on to plan B. Now you're graciously allowed to listen to his music without having to justify yourself to the public (thanks Guardian), but slow down there, it doesn't mean he's, like, innocent and we were wrong on the whole cancelling thing. Just listen to the dance man's songs and don't think about them too much. Accept our, I mean the public's verdict on him as a human, and ignore those crazies with their court transcripts, dates and stuff. We therefore absolve you of any guilt and lift the obligation to dedicate time and effort needed to form your own opinion.
 
^ Thanks for these posts. That’s what I was trying to say. :)

It’s a new way of trying to put MJ “back in his place” as a song and dance man. Be extremely careful with these people. They’re more dangerous than the obvious liars we had to deal with last year.
 
Just quoting from an article here - for 'Irony' re. HBO....
What happened to Black justice where MJ is concerned? There are more ways of 'killing' a man than kneeling on his neck.

Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, HBO and Other Hollywood Players Take a Stand in Support of Black Lives Matter Movement Amid George Floyd Protests

A number of other entertainment brands have followed suit on Saturday night, as protests gained momentum throughout the nation. HBO, HBO Max, TBS, TNT all changed their Twitter handles to #BlackLivesMatter and posted statements of support.


#BlackLivesMatter
✔
@HBO
“Neither love nor terror makes one blind: indifference makes one blind.” — James Baldwin

We stand with our Black colleagues, employees, fans, actors, storytellers — and all affected by senseless violence. #BlackLivesMatter
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https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/ne...ives-matter-george-floyd-protests-1234621292/
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From a network that doesn&#39;t care about the lives of family members of an exonerated black man who is no longer alive to defend himself from one-sided smears. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/hypocrites?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#hypocrites</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HBO?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HBO</a> <a href="https://t.co/s5uYWuIwY8">pic.twitter.com/s5uYWuIwY8</a></p>&mdash; Leaving Neverland Facts (@NeverlandFacts) <a href="https://twitter.com/NeverlandFacts/status/1267537070790070272?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 1, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
NatureCriminal7896;4292180 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From a network that doesn't care about the lives of family members of an exonerated black man who is no longer alive to defend himself from one-sided smears. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/hypocrites?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#hypocrites</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HBO?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HBO</a> <a href="https://t.co/s5uYWuIwY8">pic.twitter.com/s5uYWuIwY8</a></p>&#8212; Leaving Neverland Facts (@NeverlandFacts) <a href="https://twitter.com/NeverlandFacts/status/1267537070790070272?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 1, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Who are they trying to pull? Scumbag network!
 
Screw HBO. I been done with them since last year but to put BlackLivesMatter while a black man you believe is guilty? what the heck? :angry:
 
Funny HBO says that yet they go to any length to destroy a black man SMH
 
Why not leave a comment on their Tweet? They&#8217;ll be happy to hear from you. ;)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&#8220;Neither love nor terror makes one blind: indifference makes one blind.&#8221; &#8212; James Baldwin<br><br>We stand with our Black colleagues, employees, fans, actors, storytellers &#8212; and all affected by senseless violence. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BlackLivesMatter?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BlackLivesMatter</a></p>&mdash; #BlackLivesMatter (@HBO) <a href="https://twitter.com/HBO/status/1266911824898916352?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 31, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
I've never tweeted the woman directly but Ava has blocked me on Twitter - she must search the truth and not like it..
 
dam2040;4292241 said:
I've never tweeted the woman directly but Ava has blocked me on Twitter - she must search the truth and not like it..
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Are you following Taj on Twitter? A couple of months ago, some of those people simply blocked all of Taj&#8217;s followers.
 
ScreenOrigami;4292243 said:
Are you following Taj on Twitter? A couple of months ago, some of those people simply blocked all of Taj’s followers.
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How mature.
 
Everything is just a self-publicity campaign to these two grifters (Robson's blog and Safechuck's insta. today). Quoted for irony.....

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myosotis said:
Everything is just a self-publicity campaign to these two grifters (Robson's blog and Safechuck's insta. today). Quoted for irony.....

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Are they fricking @$$ kidding me right now!?
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">THIS!!! The SCLC called Leaving Neverland a LYNCHING, and HBO aired it anyway, but now they want to post that black lives matter? Which ones? Because it sure wasn&#39;t Michael Jackson. Or Russell Simmons. <a href="https://t.co/IbUqfxc8q1">https://t.co/IbUqfxc8q1</a></p>&mdash; andjustice4some (@andjustice4some) <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some/status/1267904694384357376?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 2, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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myosotis said:
Everything is just a self-publicity campaign to these two grifters (Robson's blog and Safechuck's insta. today). Quoted for irony.....

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There's a TON of people posting stuff for this (although I've seen people say to use the #BlackoutTuesday hashtag and not the BLM one because the BLM one should be reserved for posts with protest info), so these two posts are just two of millions lost in the shuffle. No doubt they're doing it to look good to the crowd, though.
 
Wow! :eek:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&#8216;Those comedians who&#8217;ve built careers on their selective outrage...seem to be weirdly silent&#8217;<br><br>Comedian Dane Baptiste (<a href="https://twitter.com/DaneBaptweets?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DaneBaptweets</a>) tells <a href="https://twitter.com/TherealNihal?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TherealNihal</a> his &#8216;umbrage&#8217; with certain comedians who have not been outspoken about the killing of George Floyd.<br><br> &#55356;&#57255; <a href="https://twitter.com/BBCSounds?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BBCSounds</a> <a href="https://t.co/qcLSasCpdv">pic.twitter.com/qcLSasCpdv</a></p>&mdash; BBC Radio 5 Live (@bbc5live) <a href="https://twitter.com/bbc5live/status/1267848452626505728?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 2, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yes, this is on topic. Wait til you get to the end. ;)
 
^I'm not sure I understand his point though.

He's right that 'certain comedians' play to their racist audiences, but that's WHY they were 'massively outspoken about these documentaries'.
(No UK comedians supported MJ, to my recollection).
 
myosotis;4292325 said:
^I'm not sure I understand his point though.

He's right that 'certain comedians' play to their racist audiences, but that's WHY they were 'massively outspoken about these documentaries'.
(No UK comedians supported MJ, to my recollection).
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Yes, but they&#8217;re not outspoken about #BLM. That&#8217;s his point. That the usual loudmouths are suspiciously quiet right now, because they apparently know they usually play to a racist audience.

An MJ fan on Twitter thanked him for his Tweet btw. and Dane retweeted it. :)
 
ScreenOrigami;4292323 said:
Wow! :eek:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&#8216;Those comedians who&#8217;ve built careers on their selective outrage...seem to be weirdly silent&#8217;<br><br>Comedian Dane Baptiste (<a href="https://twitter.com/DaneBaptweets?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DaneBaptweets</a>) tells <a href="https://twitter.com/TherealNihal?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TherealNihal</a> his &#8216;umbrage&#8217; with certain comedians who have not been outspoken about the killing of George Floyd.<br><br> &#65533;&#65533; <a href="https://twitter.com/BBCSounds?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BBCSounds</a> <a href="https://t.co/qcLSasCpdv">pic.twitter.com/qcLSasCpdv</a></p>&#8212; BBC Radio 5 Live (@bbc5live) <a href="https://twitter.com/bbc5live/status/1267848452626505728?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 2, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yes, this is on topic. Wait til you get to the end. ;)
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this is so true and i been knew this.
 
ScreenOrigami;4292323 said:
Wow! :eek:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">‘Those comedians who’ve built careers on their selective outrage...seem to be weirdly silent’<br><br>Comedian Dane Baptiste (<a href="https://twitter.com/DaneBaptweets?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DaneBaptweets</a>) tells <a href="https://twitter.com/TherealNihal?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TherealNihal</a> his ‘umbrage’ with certain comedians who have not been outspoken about the killing of George Floyd.<br><br> &#65533;&#65533; <a href="https://twitter.com/BBCSounds?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BBCSounds</a> <a href="https://t.co/qcLSasCpdv">pic.twitter.com/qcLSasCpdv</a></p>— BBC Radio 5 Live (@bbc5live) <a href="https://twitter.com/bbc5live/status/1267848452626505728?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 2, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yes, this is on topic. Wait til you get to the end. ;)
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though r. kelly is guilty. that's a fact.
 
myosotis said:
Everything is just a self-publicity campaign to these two grifters (Robson's blog and Safechuck's insta. today). Quoted for irony.....

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Be very careful with this. just because people are changing their icons black and saying blacklivesmatter doesn't mean anything. some of them doing it for likes and attention etc. so please don't be fool by this thing.
 
I couldn't get the Radio 5 thing to play...Nihal is a massive ABORT button for me though usually. If MJ came up, I can't imagine him spouting anything but his misinformed ignorant views from various The Sun headlines.
 
ChrisC;4292390 said:
I couldn't get the Radio 5 thing to play...Nihal is a massive ABORT button for me though usually. If MJ came up, I can't imagine him spouting anything but his misinformed ignorant views from various The Sun headlines.
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It&#8217;s Dane Baptiste talking in that piece, not the other guy. ;)
 
NatureCriminal7896 said:
That's just sad. is it only one group or it's mixed?
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UK comedians on TV are mostly white (British / European) or Asian. (There are also plenty of comedians who visit from the USA and Canada). But until Dave Chapelle spoke out, almost no-one of any background was supporting MJ - because LN and the support from Oprah etc made the subject toxic. (Sheep mentality).

The entertainment sheep won't speak out for MJ until it is 'publicly safe' to do so. (Maybe if / when Wade and James' lies become sufficiently publicised and recognised.)
 
..and the BAFTA nominations show themselves to be as 'bought' as every other award. At least these scammers won't be able to go and collect any award in person. :

BAFTA TV Nominations: &#8216;Chernobyl&#8217; Leads The Way After Being Recognized In 14 Categories

Chernobyl is leading the pack for this year&#8217;s BAFTA TV Awards and BAFTA TV Craft Awards after the Sky and HBO original scored 14 nominations, including best drama mini-series.

The nuclear disaster drama&#8217;s 14 nods mean it is the most-nominated show in BAFTA history alongside Killing Eve last year, which was also recognized in 14 categories (full nominees below). As well as best mini-series, there are individual nominations for Jared Harris as lead actor and Stellan Skarsgård as best supporting actor.

...The nominations and awards themselves have been delayed by the coronavirus pandemic. The main BAFTA TV Awards were due to take place on May 17, but will now be held virtually on July 31, with The IT Crowd&#8217;s Richard Ayoade hosting. The BAFTA TV Craft Awards are scheduled for July 17.

...The BBC scored a total of 79 nominations, while Sky had a record 25 nods, with Netflix was just behind with 24.

FACTUAL SERIES

CRIME AND PUNISHMENT &#8211; 72 Films/Channel 4

DON&#8217;T F**K WITH CATS: HUNTING AN INTERNET KILLER &#8211; Raw TV/Netflix

LEAVING NEVERLAND &#8211; Amos Pictures/Channel 4

OUR DEMENTIA CHOIR WITH VICKY MCCLURE &#8211; Curve Media/BBC One

AND
Below are the nominations in full for the main Craft Awards:

DIRECTOR: FACTUAL

ARTHUR CARY The Last Survivors &#8211; Minnow Films/BBC Two

DAN REED Leaving Neverland &#8211; AMOS Pictures/Channel 4

MARK LEWIS Don&#8217;t F**k with Cats: Hunting an Internet Killer &#8211; Raw TV/Netflix

ROBIN BARNWELL Undercover: Inside China&#8217;s Digital Gulag (Exposure) &#8211; Hardcash Productions/ITV

Edited to add a third:

EDITING: FACTUAL

ANDY R. WORBOYS Untouchable: The Rise and Fall of Harvey Weinstein &#8211; Lightbox/BBC Two

JULES CORNELL Leaving Neverland &#8211; AMOS Pictures/Channel 4

KIM HORTON 63 Up &#8211; MultiStory Media/ITV

MICHAEL HARTE Don&#8217;t F**k With Cats: Hunting an Internet Killer &#8211; Raw TV/Netflix

https://deadline.com/2020/06/bafta-tv-nominations-in-full-1202949892/

ABOUT:
Nominations announced: Virgin Media British Academy Television Awards & British Academy Television Craft Awards
The British Academy of Film and Television Arts has today announced the nominations for the Virgin Media British Academy Television Awards and British Academy Television Craft Awards. These awards reward the very best in television craft and television programmes broadcast in the UK in 2019. The Virgin Media British Academy Television Awards ceremony will be Friday 31 July on BBC One with the British Academy Television Craft Awards taking place online on Friday 17 July.

Notes for editors
BAFTA is supported by official partners to the Virgin Media British Academy Television Awards and British Academy Television Craft Awards.

Virgin Media offers four multi award-winning services across the UK and Ireland: broadband, TV, mobile phone and landline. Our dedicated, ultrafast network delivers the fastest widely-available broadband speeds to homes and businesses and we&#8217;re expanding this through our Project Lightning programme, which will extend our network to up to 17 million premises. Our interactive Virgin TV service brings live TV, thousands of hours of on- demand programming and the best apps and games to customers through a set-top box, as well as on-the-go through tablets and smartphones. Virgin Mobile launched the world&#8217;s first virtual mobile network, offering fantastic value and flexible services. We are also one of the largest fixed-line home phone providers in the UK and Ireland. Through Virgin Media Business, we support entrepreneurs, businesses and the public sector, delivering the fastest speeds and tailor-made services. Virgin Media is part of Liberty Global, the world&#8217;s largest international TV and broadband company. Liberty Global connects 21 million customers through operations in 10 countries across Europe subscribing to 45 million TV, broadband internet and telephony services. It also serves 6 million mobile subscribers and offers WiFi service through 12 million access points across its footprint.

http://www.bafta.org/media-centre/p...irgin-media-british-academy-television-awards

Virgin Media British Academy Television Awards will be broadcast on BBC One on Friday 31 July, hosted by Richard Ayoade
British Academy Television Craft Awards will be streamed online on Friday 17 July, hosted by Stephen Mangan

http://www.bafta.org/media-centre/press-releases

Official Partners:
Virgin Media
ACQUA PANNA & S. PELLEGRINO
AUDI: OFFICIAL CAR PARTNER
CHAMPAGNE TAITTINGER: OFFICIAL CHAMPAGNE PARTNER
GLOBAL: OFFICIAL OUTDOOR MEDIA PARTNER
KIKO MILANO - OFFICIAL BEAUTY PARTNER
SEA CONTAINERS
TCL (TV and electronics)
VILLA MARIA: OFFICIAL WINE PARTNER

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