Michael Jackson never wanted a long life but through his music he'll live forever (Article)

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SmoothGangsta;4262094 said:
MJ agreed to do like 30 shows initially and he was fully aware that they could increase the amount if demand was high enough. Not wanting to do something and not knowing that you're gonna need to do are two different things. There was even talk of more shows beyond that. MJ certainly wanted to to those shows initially. I think it is when rehearsal started he realised maybe he had taken on too much.

somewhereinthedark;4262101 said:
Sounds as if you fell for the stuff AEG was spewing during the civil trial that Katherine filed. You also seem to have fell for the crap that the murderer spewed during the trial. Murray lied during the trial to make it seem that Michael killed himself. He claimed that Michael was taking drugs without his knowledge, yet the autopsy said the only drugs in Michael’s body was what the murderer pumped into him. Murray also claimed Michael begged him for propofal. I believe Murray was lying and so did the jury. This murderer. Ever showed any remorse for killing and lied and said MicHael woke up from a propafol induced sleep and injected himself with a lethal dose. A person would have to be a complete moron to believe that BS. The jury didn’t believe it and any sane person wouldn’t believe it either.

Michael had debt but, he was not broke. You can’t be broke and own HALF of Sony publishing. He may have been “cash poor”, but not broke. Who else do you know would be called poor and owning HALF of Sony publishing. They only said that about MICHAEL and some are naive or gullible enough to believe it.

It’s disgusting and disrespectful to say thst Michael wanted to die. In fact it is the most irrational thing that I have heard. Michael had plans to release a new album, do movies and other things. He had three children that he loved immensely and wanted to see grow up. The DA’s wanted to charge Murray with 2nd degree MURDER, because his negligence and the way he didn’t call 911 for an hour when Michael died is Murder. The coverup is PRE-MEDITATED. It doesn’t matter bow you try to spin it, Conrad Murray murdered Michael, whether it was 1st degree or 2nd degree. The DAs went for manslaughter, because they wanted a conviction and not a hung
Jury.

Let me be more specific about the ‘This Is It’ deal & how MJ was manipulated by AEG Live.

Dr. Tohme Tohme was one of those people that AEG Live brought into MJ’s life at that time in order to handle MJ’s matters.

Dr. Tohme Tohme was handling MJ’s business affairs at AEG Live request.

Dr. Tohme Tohme was also a man that MJ did not like at all.

Here is how MJ was manipulated by Dr. Tohme Tohme.

Dr. Tohme Tohme signed a letter of intent (which is not a contract, but a preliminary document).

According to that letter of intent, ‘Artistico’ pre-approved up to 31 shows.

'Artistico' is a legal company (represented by Dr. Tohme Tohme) which negotiated MJ’s business affairs with AEG Live.

That letter of intent was never signed by MJ himself, but by Dr. Tohme Tohme who acted on behalf of ‘Artistico’.

So, some months later, when MJ (unwillingly) signed the contract for the 10 shows, he automatically activated (without knowing it) that letter of intent’s clause of 31 shows.

As for him being broke/in debt during his final years, MJ was owing a staggering amount of around 500 million US dollars.

His share of the ATV/Sony Music Publishing was practically to little purpose for him, other than using it as collateral in order to borrow some money from banks to repay loans.

This means that essentially was a broke man during his final years.

Concerning his apparent desire to die, I will not repeat myself.

But, have in mind also that MJ subconsciously wanted to end up like Elvis Presley.

Elvis Presley died at 42 by drug overdose.

MJ began to overdose in the early 2000s, when he was around 42.

This analogy is too strong to be ignored.
 
Michael should of just did 10 shows. it probably would been better for him. we have to remember Michael was 50. okay. he was an middle age guy. of course he was healthy for his age but let's just look at the facts. he was planning to do one of his shows here were i live. it's kind of sucks he didn't get a chance to. michael came were i live many of times before but it would been nice for him to came again.
 
Give it up guys!
I think this person is covinced to be right, thinks he/she can convince others educated fans from this b.s. and nothing wil stop him/her beliving, and when it suprisingly does happen he/she will not admit it!

But...
Michael Jackson didn't want to die and didn't kill himself on June 25!
This is multible times prooven!
Nobody can also say if he did say yes to everthing what was given to him and if he knew what it was and what it caused especially in combination woth the other things!
When you are in a hospital(situation like MJ was) do the doctors and nurses tell you always everthing what they gave you, what it all can cause, alone or in combination?
Here in germany they do a shit when it comes to this!
You can only trust them ( what MJ did) or make looooooooooooooooong complicated researches yourself ( for what MJ had not really the time on June 25)!
What is when MJ said only to Murray "I can not sleep! Please help me sleep" and then Murrey pumpted all the things in him without explaining anything?

Do you think it was this way:
Murray: Now Mr. Jackson I want to give you xx mg Propophol it caused this this and this but also this and that? Can I give it to you?
MJ: Yes of cause
Muray: Now Mr. Jackson I want to give you xx mg Diazepan it caused this this and this but also this and that! In comination with the other medifications it can cause this and that! Can I give it to you?
MJ: Of cause!
Murray: Now I want to give you xx mg Lorazepan it caused this, this, and this but also this and that! It combination with the other medification it can cause this and you maybe can die. Can I give it to you?
MJ: Of cause! Thats what a want!

Etc.

????
 
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Give it up guys!
I think this person is covinced to be right, thinks he/she can convince others educated fans from this b.s. and nothing wil stop him/her beliving, and when it suprisingly does happen he/she will not admit it!

But...
Michael Jackson didn't want to die and didn't kill himself on June 25!
This is multible times prooven!
Nobody can also say if he did say yes to everthing what was given to him and if he knew what it was and what it caused especially in combination woth the other things!
When you are in a hospital(situation like MJ was) do the doctors and nurses tell you always everthing what they gave you, what it all can cause, alone or in combination?
Here in germany they do a shit when it comes to this!
You can only trust them ( what MJ did) or make looooooooooooooooong complicated researches yourself ( for what MJ had not really the time on June 25)!
What is when MJ said only to Murray "I can not sleep! Please help me sleep" and then Murrey pumpted all the things in him without explaining anything?

Do you think it was this way:
Murray: Now Mr. Jackson I want to give you xx mg Propophol it caused this this and this but also this and that? Can I give it to you?
MJ: Yes of cause
Muray: Now Mr. Jackson I want to give you xx mg Diazepan it caused this this and this but also this and that! In comination with the other medifications it can cause this and that! Can I give it to you?
MJ: Of cause!
Murray: Now I want to give you xx mg Lorazepan it caused this, this, and this but also this and that! It combination with the other medification it can cause this and you maybe can die. Can I gige it to you?
MJ: Of cause! Thats what a want!

Etc.

Whilst I don't believe mj wanted to die he definitely consented to being given propofol as he had been searching for a doctor who would give it him for a while before he died. He had used it to "sleep" before and felt he needed it again in order to be ready for the tour. The other stuff I doubt it was explained to him like you said.
 
Do you think it was this way:
Murray: Now Mr. Jackson I want to give you xx mg Propophol it caused this this and this but also this and that? Can I give it to you?
MJ: Yes of cause
Muray: Now Mr. Jackson I want to give you xx mg Diazepan it caused this this and this but also this and that! In comination with the other medifications it can cause this and that! Can I give it to you?
MJ: Of cause!
Murray: Now I want to give you xx mg Lorazepan it caused this, this, and this but also this and that! It combination with the other medification it can cause this and you maybe can die. Can I gige it to you?
MJ: Of cause! Thats what a want!

Etc.

I know it's not funny but i'm laughing so much right now. Michael would of never said any of that.
 
mj_frenzy;4262103 said:
Let me be more specific about the ‘This Is It’ deal & how MJ was manipulated by AEG Live.

Dr. Tohme Tohme was one of those people that AEG Live brought into MJ’s life at that time in order to handle MJ’s matters.

Dr. Tohme Tohme was handling MJ’s business affairs at AEG Live request.

Dr. Tohme Tohme was also a man that MJ did not like at all.

Here is how MJ was manipulated by Dr. Tohme Tohme.

Dr. Tohme Tohme signed a letter of intent (which is not a contract, but a preliminary document).

According to that letter of intent, ‘Artistico’ pre-approved up to 31 shows.

'Artistico' is a legal company (represented by Dr. Tohme Tohme) which negotiated MJ’s business affairs with AEG Live.

That letter of intent was never signed by MJ himself, but by Dr. Tohme Tohme who acted on behalf of ‘Artistico’.

So, some months later, when MJ (unwillingly) signed the contract for the 10 shows, he automatically activated (without knowing it) that letter of intent’s clause of 31 shows.

As for him being broke/in debt during his final years, MJ was owing a staggering amount of around 500 million US dollars.

His share of the ATV/Sony Music Publishing was practically to little purpose for him, other than using it as collateral in order to borrow some money from banks to repay loans.

This means that essentially was a broke man during his final years.

Concerning his apparent desire to die, I will not repeat myself.

But, have in mind also that MJ subconsciously wanted to end up like Elvis Presley.

Elvis Presley died at 42 by drug overdose.

MJ began to overdose in the early 2000s, when he was around 42.

This analogy is too strong to be ignored.

I don’t know what your agenda is;however, when you stated that Michael wanted to end up like Elvis, I knew something was strange. You are either intentionally manipulating Michael’s words or you are ignorant to the facts. Michael always said that he did NOT want to end up like Elvis. Michael never overdosed. He began taking pain pills for his scalp, but he NEVER overdosed. For some reason, you seem to WANT there to be an analogy between Michael and Elvis death, when there is not. Michael was murdered by the negligence of a doctor who didn’t monitor him, and then tried to cover up this murder by not calling 911 for an hour after he found him dead. All of this was presented at the trial. Murray never showed an ounce of remorse, and only claimed Michael killed himself. The meds they found in Michael’s body were injected INTRAVENOUSLY, not self-induced. Elvis was found with many drugs, self induced, in his body.
Stop trying to make Michael fit YOUR agenda. Michael didn’t kill himself, Conrad Murray did. My question is why do YOU want to twist that FACT in order to fit some sick narrative that you are regurgitating. You have no proof, just speculation. The facts show Murray murdered, and tried to cover it up, Michael.
 
Michael had trouble sleeping he had insomnia but that doesn't give Murray an excuse to drug him like he did. he was suppose to be an doctor. it was his job to say no to Michael if he wanted something like that knowing he would die from it. so yes Michael was murder also i understand Michael probably want to sleep so bad but propofol wasn't the answer. he should of ask a professional doctor for some sleeping pills or ways to help him sleep instead of using anesthesia.
 
NatureCriminal7896;4262106 said:
Michael should of just did 10 shows. it probably would been better for him. we have to remember Michael was 50. okay. he was an middle age guy. of course he was healthy for his age but let's just look at the facts. he was planning to do one of his shows here were i live. it's kind of sucks he didn't get a chance to. michael came were i live many of times before but it would been nice for him to came again.

Let’s not forget that It doesn’t matter if Michael signed up to do 10 shows or 50 shows, he was murdered BEFORE he could even do one show. Some people continue to act as if the number of shows has something to do with the fact Conrad Murray killed Michael, it doesn’t. Murray’s NEGLIENCE and cover up is what killed Michael, NOT the number of shows he was SUPPOSED to do.
 
I get what you saying but i think reason why people keep bringing shows up is the fact his health and age.
 
But, have in mind also that MJ subconsciously wanted to end up like Elvis Presley.

Elvis Presley died at 42 by drug overdose.

MJ began to overdose in the early 2000s, when he was around 42.

This analogy is too strong to be ignored.

Where is this coming from? He specifically said in his autobiography that he didn't want to end up like Elvis. (That part is so heart-wrenching to read now...) I know there's talk about ghostwriting in his autobiography, but even so, why would he put in such a specific, blatant lie like that?
 
NatureCriminal7896;4262174 said:
Michael had trouble sleeping he had insomnia but that doesn't give Murray an excuse to drug him like he did. he was suppose to be an doctor. it was his job to say no to Michael if he wanted something like that knowing he would die from it. so yes Michael was murder also i understand Michael probably want to sleep so bad but propofol wasn't the answer. he should of ask a professional doctor for some sleeping pills or ways to help him sleep instead of using anesthesia.

To be fair to Michael I think he did try pills (lorazepam can be used for sleep). The problem is that the body can develop tolerance to them, meaning the person needs increasing quantities for the same effect. Often “safe” and “effective” don’t belong in the same sentence when talking about insomnia treatment; people can be taking safe doses of a drug but they still don’t sleep. Treating insomnia is not as simple or easy as possibly some people think it is. Obviously what Dr. Death was offering was completely outrageous and I don’t understand how he only served two years in jail for this.
 
Michael had trouble sleeping he had insomnia but that doesn't give Murray an excuse to drug him like he did. he was suppose to be an doctor. it was his job to say no to Michael if he wanted something like that knowing he would die from it. so yes Michael was murder also i understand Michael probably want to sleep so bad but propofol wasn't the answer. he should of ask a professional doctor for some sleeping pills or ways to help him sleep instead of using anesthesia.
Michael was a chronic insomniac. Sleeping pills weren't enough at that point. He took several sedatives on the day he died and he was still awake. That's what happens when you take them regularly, they stop working like they used to. Obviously he didn't realise that Propofol doesn't provide REM sleep and eventually that alone would kill him, even without Murray's negligence. What Michael needed was an assessment and long-term care from a specialist who could provide tailored treatment. Treatment that didn't just rely on prescription medication. But because he found something that he thought worked and unfortunately a doctor willing to sacrifice ethics for money, he never got the right help.
 
Anna;4262218 said:
Michael was a chronic insomniac. Sleeping pills weren't enough at that point. He took several sedatives on the day he died and he was still awake. That's what happens when you take them regularly, they stop working like they used to. Obviously he didn't realise that Propofol doesn't provide REM sleep and eventually that alone would kill him, even without Murray's negligence. What Michael needed was an assessment and long-term care from a specialist who could provide tailored treatment. Treatment that didn't just rely on prescription medication. But because he found something that he thought worked and unfortunately a doctor willing to sacrifice ethics for money, he never got the right help.

I’ve heard of a disorder called fatal familial insomnia which, as the name suggests, is so serious the person literally dies from lack of sleep, but not before losing their mind first with hallucinations etc. I read some bits here and there saying that people had reported Michael to be very paranoid and exhibited some strange behaviour in rehearsals... I'm thinking to myself; I'm not surprised! Sleep deprivation and side effects of medications must have had a huge effect on him. This is why I think he wanted to live, because making it to rehearsals with all this going on makes me think he was a fighter and wanted to live his life. It would be so easy to do the opposite and just stay in bed, but he didn’t!
 
Nantucket Cat;4262210 said:
Where is this coming from? He specifically said in his autobiography that he didn't want to end up like Elvis. (That part is so heart-wrenching to read now...) I know there's talk about ghostwriting in his autobiography, but even so, why would he put in such a specific, blatant lie like that?

Thank you I am asking the same thing. Where is this garbage coming from? It certainly wasn’t from Michael.
 
Really this thread is uncomfortable to read...

Ihave no doubt MJ wanted to live. - He did not like how the body changed as it grow older, but he had so much to live for - J3 - and I think he had many creative projects he wanted to do. films, poems, classical music etc. etc.

I think MJ wanted to live very much really. - he just needed sleep desperately.
 
I don't mean to be rude but I don't understand this post, apologies if I have missed something

When you have an article written in 2019 that says Invincible was not on par with Michael's standards, you know you are reading an article from someone who has little knowledge and therefore credibility.
 
somewhereinthedark;4262171 said:
I don’t know what your agenda is;however, when you stated that Michael wanted to end up like Elvis, I knew something was strange. You are either intentionally manipulating Michael’s words or you are ignorant to the facts. Michael always said that he did NOT want to end up like Elvis. Michael never overdosed. He began taking pain pills for his scalp, but he NEVER overdosed. For some reason, you seem to WANT there to be an analogy between Michael and Elvis death, when there is not. Michael was murdered by the negligence of a doctor who didn’t monitor him, and then tried to cover up this murder by not calling 911 for an hour after he found him dead. All of this was presented at the trial. Murray never showed an ounce of remorse, and only claimed Michael killed himself. The meds they found in Michael’s body were injected INTRAVENOUSLY, not self-induced. Elvis was found with many drugs, self induced, in his body.
Stop trying to make Michael fit YOUR agenda. Michael didn’t kill himself, Conrad Murray did. My question is why do YOU want to twist that FACT in order to fit some sick narrative that you are regurgitating. You have no proof, just speculation. The facts show Murray murdered, and tried to cover it up, Michael.

somewhereinthedark;4262175 said:
Let’s not forget that It doesn’t matter if Michael signed up to do 10 shows or 50 shows, he was murdered BEFORE he could even do one show. Some people continue to act as if the number of shows has something to do with the fact Conrad Murray killed Michael, it doesn’t. Murray’s NEGLIENCE and cover up is what killed Michael, NOT the number of shows he was SUPPOSED to do.

Your arguments continue to be unsurprisingly weak.

Like, your new one that the number of the ‘This Is It’ shows (that he was supposed to do) did not play a role in his death.

Actually, they did play a role because when MJ realized that he had to do (against his wish) 40 additional shows, this worsened even more his depression & anxiety, which in turn made him even more desperate & hopeless.

Also, during his final month, people who talked with him on the phone revealed how desperate he sounded mainly because of those 40 extra shows (while, on some occasions, he was crying on the phone) to the point where they expressed concerns about his own life.

Anyway, you have already ignored MJ’s own quotes posted here (about him not wanting a long life) but also certain, verified incidents throughout the 2000s that support these quotes, so honestly I find it pointless to carry on this particular discussion.

Nantucket Cat;4262210 said:
Where is this coming from? He specifically said in his autobiography that he didn't want to end up like Elvis. (That part is so heart-wrenching to read now...) I know there's talk about ghostwriting in his autobiography, but even so, why would he put in such a specific, blatant lie like that?

It comes from his actions.

MJ had a premonition that he was going to end up like Elvis Presley & he did nothing at all to prevent that.

Instead, he encouraged it even more (throughout the 2000s), which means that he subconsciously wanted that to happen.

MJ also stated in his Moonwalk book that drugs were not among his own bad habits.

But drugs evidently became later part of his own bad habits, leading to his death.

Alh21;4262142 said:
I don't mean to be rude but I don't understand this post, apologies if I have missed something

SilkySnare stopped reading the original article at that particular point because ‘Invincible’ is apparently one of SilkySnare’s favourite MJ’s albums & felt offended by that line.
 
Again.... show proof were MJ said exectly: "I don't want to live a long life!"
We know that he said that he don't want or like to get old!
Thats a strong difference cause EVERYONE says or think this in one point or many points of his life without WANTING to die young!
Everything what comes from you is your interpretation. When there is no 100 percent proof for that I think it much better for you as an MJ fan to look at this in favor for MJ (cause you were not there in the last days of his life) in this case and not try in public to convince people about this dark thoughts from you!
There we had and have for the too powerful corrupt media which work together with good paying companys AEG and people like Murray, Dimand Gutirrez, Weinstein etc. which always try for more the 30 years to convince people about dark sides of MJ and to mute him!
 
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Michael did not kill himself. if you want to believe he did then okay. but just know it isn't a fact.
 
When you have an article written in 2019 that says Invincible was not on par with Michael's standards, you know you are reading an article from someone who has little knowledge and therefore credibility.

This article was written by Mike Smallcombe. He wrote a biography on Michael and is a strong advocate for him on twitter. He managed to get UK tabloids to do articles on the Safechuck train station lie. His opinion on the quality of Invincible is a matter of taste, not knowledge.
 
WannaScream;4262212 said:
Obviously what Dr. Death was offering was completely outrageous and I don’t understand how he only served two years in jail for this.

Exactly! he needed WAY more time.
 
WannaScream;4262223 said:
I’ve heard of a disorder called fatal familial insomnia which, as the name suggests, is so serious the person literally dies from lack of sleep, but not before losing their mind first with hallucinations etc. I read some bits here and there saying that people had reported Michael to be very paranoid and exhibited some strange behaviour in rehearsals... I'm thinking to myself; I'm not surprised! Sleep deprivation and side effects of medications must have had a huge effect on him. This is why I think he wanted to live, because making it to rehearsals with all this going on makes me think he was a fighter and wanted to live his life. It would be so easy to do the opposite and just stay in bed, but he didn’t!
Yeah. I read that Michael apparently broke the human record for most days without real sleep, since Murray claimed to have put him out with Propofol for two straight months. During the wrongful death trial they said Michael's condition at rehearsals got progressively worse as time passed. Then for the last two days he was like himself again, because he'd got proper sleep.

The number of shows was probably overwhelming and incredibly daunting, but we know he was also excited and engaged and had plans for the future. No one puts themselves through that kind of insane treatment if they just want to die. It was out of desperation to keep going.
 
This article was written by Mike Smallcombe. He wrote a biography on Michael and is a strong advocate for him on twitter. He managed to get UK tabloids to do articles on the Safechuck train station lie. His opinion on the quality of Invincible is a matter of taste, not knowledge.

Oh, I wasn't aware of that and I take it back. Thank you for explaining that to me.

However, the way it is written gives the impression of it being a fact, not his personal opinion.

I guess we are all doing our jobs. I believe it is very possible for someone to be a great advocate for Michael but maybe focus on stuff other than his music. Nothing wrong with that, just don't go around saying stuff like that because it makes you loose credibility.
 
Hess;4262249 said:
Really this thread is uncomfortable to read...

Ihave no doubt MJ wanted to live. - He did not like how the body changed as it grow older, but he had so much to live for - J3 - and I think he had many creative projects he wanted to do. films, poems, classical music etc. etc.

I think MJ wanted to live very much really. - he just needed sleep desperately.

Yes, this thread is very uncomfortable to read. In fact, I don’t think it is fair to Michael and is very disrespectful. I hope the moderators delete it because this is not something that needs to be discussed and some “fans” seem hellbent on pushing a negative narrative or agenda. This thread is not only disrespectful to Michael, but to his kids, family and fans who respect him. How would ANY of us like it if someone was speculating about us or a love ones death. It makes me sick to my stomach!

Moderators, please close/delete this thread!
 
ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona;4262276 said:
Again.... show proof were MJ said exectly: "I don't want to live a long life!"
We know that he said that he don't want or like to get old!
Thats a strong difference cause EVERYONE says or think this in one point or many points of his life without WANTING to die young!
Everything what comes from you is your interpretation. When there is no 100 percent proof for that I think it much better for you as an MJ fan to look at this in favor for MJ (cause you were not there in the last days of his life) in this case and not try in public to convince people about this dark thoughts from you!
There we had and have for the too powerful corrupt media which work together with good paying companys AEG and people like Murray, Dimand Gutirrez, Weinstein etc. which always try for more the 30 years to convince people about dark sides of MJ and to mute him!

Why are you dogging me with that?

In this thread, there are two quotes about that.

First one:

“I don't want a long (life)... I don't” (MJ)

Second one:

Rabbi Shmuley Boteach: “You don’t want to die young?"

MJ: “You sure you want my answer?"

Any rational reader understands from these two quotes that MJ did not want to live a long life.

If you understand from these two quotes that MJ wanted to live a long life, then I can do nothing about it.

SilkySnare;4262302 said:
Oh, I wasn't aware of that and I take it back. Thank you for explaining that to me.

However, the way it is written gives the impression of it being a fact, not his personal opinion.

I guess we are all doing our jobs. I believe it is very possible for someone to be a great advocate for Michael but maybe focus on stuff other than his music. Nothing wrong with that, just don't go around saying stuff like that because it makes you loose credibility.

Mike Smallcombe does not lose credibility when he says that ‘Invincible’ was undeniably average by his standards.

There is a consensus in the MJ fan base (but also among critics) that ‘Invincible’ was undeniably average by his standards.

Unlike his previous adult studio albums, 'Invincible' did not contain any big hit singles, lyrically MJ did not really tell us something new, musically it lacks melodies that become instantly likeable.

Not to mention its pace, which in its second half seems to drag on for hours.

So, when Mike Smallcombe says that ‘Invincible’ was undeniably average by his standards, he actually gains even more credibility.
 
mj_frenzy;4262457 said:
Why are you dogging me with that?

In this thread, there are two quotes about that.

First one:

I don't want a long (life)... I don't” (MJ)

Second one:

Rabbi Shmuley Boteach: “You don’t want to die young?"

MJ: “You sure you want my answer?"

Any rational reader understands from these two quotes that MJ did not want to live a long life.

If you understand from these two quotes that MJ wanted to live a long life, then I can do nothing about it.

I don't know if this interview snip is one of the recorded parts the rabbi let people listen to in the tv show or only written part of the book where it can not be proofen if MJ really said this!

But the quote is from 1999 - 2001 I guess when MJ was in medical care because of depression and you inrerpret it in your favor.
You can not proof with this if MJ would say or think the same in the last days of his life in 2009 many years later and if he want to end his life with the help of murray on June 25!
 
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ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona;4262460 said:
I don't know if this interview snip is one of the recorded parts the rabbi let people listen to in the tv show or only written part of the book where it can not be proofen if MJ really said this!

But he quote is from 199 - 2001 I guess when MJ was in medical care because of depression and you inrerpret it in your favor.
You can not proof with this if MJ would say or think the same in the last days of his life in 2009 many years later and if he want to end his life with the help of murray on June 25!

There is also audio snippet for the second quote, where you can hear MJ’s real voice saying that to Rabbi Shmuley Boteach.

You can find that audio snippet very easily on YouTube.

Also, a week or so before he died, MJ said to Kenny Ortega that “God keeps talking to me”.

So, MJ was feeling that he was dying.

Yet, MJ did not immediately cancel all the rehearsals in order to seek out personalized drug addiction treatment in a rehab center.

This also shows that he abandoned himself to his fate & subconsciously wanted to die.
 
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