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Petrarose said:
Aquarius about mother allowing Michael to perform in strip clubs. This time I have to lay the blame on Joe's shoulders. Remember, Katherine back then did not play a big role in the boys career, no matter how she acts now as this business woman. Joe was in charge. He got their act together, found the venues, and was the manager. Katherine was a stay away mom. She couldn't even prevent Joe from beating those boys excessively. She knew the boys were going all over to perform, but not the details about it, until later.

To be honest, I really do not think Katherine would tell Joe not to take Michael there once she found out, because we see that the exploitation of Michael still continues, and his children were exploited by Katherine too.
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I understand that there were & are women who are abused, but I don't believe that all women kept quiet. I don't think there was a time or will be a time when everyone would hold the same position.

Bolded-- That's my point. Her children performed in strip clubs, and let's say she didn't approve it. then why would she put in a contract Michael's kids with an owner of a porn site? IMO she doesn't care how or from where the money comes from, as long as it keeps coming. I believe, again is my own opinion and it doesn't mean it's true, but i believe that she didn't care then & doesn't care now.
 
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justnat said:
Ha? As far as I remember, according to Michael, his mother was totally NOT amused when she found out.
Just asking. You probably know something I don't? (no sarcasm intended, this is an honest question)
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Didn't stop her at all from turning a blind eye and enjoying the money her kids were making. Pretending that her kids were ok while they were away on the road for months at a time must have seen nice but not for Michael. I'm so sorry MJ.
 
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passy001 said:
Mann is clearly desperate, trying to divert attention from the real issue i.e copyright infringement. how is the will relevant to this case? really, how is that going to help him in any way shape or form? Isn't the validity of the will a probate court affair? does this court have the jurisdiction to even discuss something as irrelevant as this?

Melissa Johnson also tried to pull the same tactic, only to be shut down moments later.
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Mann is just hoping he won't have to deal with Branca & McClain who have kicked his sorry ass anymore.
 
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passy001 said:
That does not make sense. The Estate is MJ. so even if the will is deemed invalid, it still does not change the ownership by MJ. in other words the will has nothing to do with ownership of copyright material.
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Right but if the "family" is put in charge they will let mann off the hook.
 
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Aquarius said:
I understand that there were & are women who are abused, but I don't believe that all women kept quiet. I don't think there was a time or will be a time when everyone would hold the same position.

Bolded-- That's my point. Her children performed in strip clubs, and let's say she didn't approve it. then why would she put in a contract Michael's kids with an owner of a porn site? IMO she doesn't care how or from where the money comes from, as long as it keeps coming. I believe, again is my own opinion and it doesn't mean it's true, but i believe that she didn't care then & doesn't care now.
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^^I hear you.

About this latest Mann action, so now we have him including in his case the drama that is going on with the will. This seems very suspicious to me, and I wonder if the signers, Katherine, and Mann got together to attack the estate at the same time about the will. I would like to see his evidence. It must be something he got from Joe or Katherine. Remember he had some documents that Katheine and Joe signed saying they were Michael's manager and therefore gave him the rights to use Michael's image and intellectual property. Maybe he will claim that he found something in the storage lockers that show the will is fake. I mean Michael had no business with Mann, so the possibility that he would have documentation about Michael's will is farfetched.

If Mann had such proof, rather than sign up the kids for exploitation, he would have made a deal with Katherine, whereby he would hand over the proof if she gave him X amount of millions, a share in X number of business deals, and X amount of millions for a finders fee. He would make more money from that than using the kids the way they planned, so who is he trying to fool.
 
Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

passy001 said:
That does not make sense. The Estate is MJ. so even if the will is deemed invalid, it still does not change the ownership by MJ. in other words the will has nothing to do with ownership of copyright material.
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But I guess, the Estate is MJ only if the Will is valid.
 
Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

passy001 said:
That does not make sense. The Estate is MJ. so even if the will is deemed invalid, it still does not change the ownership by MJ. in other words the will has nothing to do with ownership of copyright material.
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I was thinking if Mann is thinking as executors copyrighted some images after Michael's death, and if he proves that the Will is invalid, therefore those copyrights are not valid? I wonder if that is his line of thinking?

September (trial)cannot come fast enough, and hopefully executors will finish Mann & Co for good, and the same time teach a lesson to Katherine and family that they cannot use Michael as they pleases.
They need to be stopped, and all tacky dealings with crooks have to stop.
They can say Michael is their son, but Michael is so much more than their son. He spent lifetime to build his brand, no way should family exploit and cheapen his brand with their tacky dealings.
 
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All this is making me think back to that yellow sign at the trial "Michael, on behalf of mankind we are sorry"
 
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I really wouldn't worry about Howard Mann. I bet he has just as little "evidence" as the siblings do. They're all just talk.
 
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ScaredOfTheMoon said:
I really wouldn't worry about Howard Mann. I bet he has just as little "evidence" as the siblings do. They're all just talk.
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I don't think he has anything. Katherine and Joe got involved with him very early after MJ died, he would have given his evidence to K&J the time when K and J tried to contest the will. If he didn't have it then, he doesn't have it now.
I honestly don't understand that any fan of Michael's even buys anything from his "vault" or website:bugeyed
 
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Bubs said:
I don't think he has anything. Katherine and Joe got involved with him very early after MJ died, he would have given his evidence to K&J the time when K and J tried to contest the will. If he didn't have it then, he doesn't have it now.
I honestly don't understand that any fan of Michael's even buys anything from his "vault" or website:bugeyed
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It was Randy who introduced them and encouraged Kat to do those deals.
 
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la_cienega said:
It was Randy who introduced them and encouraged Kat to do those deals.
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I didn't know about Randy introducing them, although I'm not surprised. Do you have a source for this?
 
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At this point, I think that if the family takes over, Michael's legacy will be in great danger of being cheapened and thoroughly exploited. We might not get Bad25 if a lawsuit develops! I hope this doesn't happen!!! They know nothing about estate management, and will be in deep debt, leaving PPB nothing, if they take over. Let's pray a judge won't listen to them.
 
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Bubs said:
I didn't know about Randy introducing them, although I'm not surprised. Do you have a source for this?
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Bubs, i def remember reading it in one of the news articles re the wildfire of madness, probably before mrs j went missing. It wd prob be a radaronline report, sourced by trent/mrs j's lawyers. No idea if it's true, but randy def had the ear of mrs j early on as the aeg lawsuit was to his liking and all the challenging of the will etc. I think it's only latterly that he's not in the loop with mrs j's business deals as he seems so anti-trent, hence operation arizona.

No idea what evidence mann would have, he's only got things from the vacarro storage locker hasn't he? Maybe he found some post it notes saying 'i hate branca' and 'i *heart* my little bro, i want him to look after my legacy when i'm gone'.
 
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^ if he had that, why didnt he hand it over to the court before it became too late to challenge the will?
 
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^ Were you asking me? I was only teasing about the post its, lol. They're not sufficient evidence to overturn a will even in randy's fevered imagination. Latoya was the one in her book who was talking about mj's bedroom at carolwood being full of post its, that apparently said 'i hate branca', hence the family being positive that mj wd never have had branca in charge of his estate. Unfortunately latoya doesn't have the post its anymore, and didnt take copies so we can only rely on her word, not the most reliable source in the world.
 
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Bonnie Blue said:
^ Were you asking me? I was only teasing about the post its, lol..
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i know :lol: - i was joking too :lol:
IF he had had anything of substance, he would've pranced his happy way to the nearest court house 3 years ago to have Michael's will declared invalid so he could sell his tacky stuff....
 
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Randy has zip! He has nothing accept a big mouth and a greedy heart. None of that will help him in court. I still think they are trying to strong-arm the estate into making an out of court multi-million dollar settlement. Other than empty threats and bluffing they have zero and the same goes for the AEG lawsuit.
 
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Victory22 said:
Randy has zip! He has nothing accept a big mouth and a greedy heart. None of that will help him in court. I still think they are trying to strong-arm the estate into making an out of court multi-million dollar settlement. Other than empty threats and bluffing they have zero and the same goes for the AEG lawsuit.
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I really hope the estate won't give them a settlement because we know they'll go through those money fast and when it's gone they'll be back playing the "will is fake" game once again.
 
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Just in time for Bad 25!!! :crazy
 
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Randy and co need to put up or shut up. If (as I suspect) they come back with zilch whatever credibility they had is gone forever.
 
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^^Well they never had any credibility to begin with. From the 1st day they ran around sending rumors to the media that various family members will be in charge of Michael's estate, and then oops, up came the will, they were seen as more foolish than ever. They are used by the media for sensations, fun, and drama.


To the person who said that if a court case came up we might not get BAD 25--NEVER. Bad 25 is already planned. They are now merely putting the final touches on cleaning up the video. Spike finished his part. The estate knows how to multitask. Further, Branca and co are not the guys doing the actual job. They are paying and supervising to make sure everything is OK. Branca is very hands on.

It seems the wildfire of madness is dying down now, so great. No more X17 reports from Randy. No more Jermaine tweets on the wildfire of madness. No more lies from Janet's lawyer.
 
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How many people are going to claim the will is invalid? First the Jacksons, now HM. Pretty soon BLS & Tohme Tohme will follow.

I think they will have to invalidate two wills since both are similar. Let's see what the fed court tell Mann.
 
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Aquarius said:
How many people are going to claim the will is invalid? First the Jacksons, now HM. Pretty soon BLS & Tohme Tohme will follow.

I think they will have to invalidate two wills since both are similar. Let's see what the fed court tell Mann.
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^^Probably, "go back and look in the storage lockers again, and then refile."
 
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I wouldn't be surprised if Michael payed his brothers' bills since they finished The Victory Tour but at the same time I'd shocked how Michael could do so for such loooooong time...:bugeyed
 
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Petrarose said:
^^Probably, "go back and look in the storage lockers again, and then refile."
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Really, what proof can he have showing that he owns intellectual rights or that the will is faked? He should be fined for malicious filing & for taking the fime of the fed court.
 
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Snow White luvs Peter Pan said:
I wouldn't be surprised if Michael payed his brothers' bills since they finished The Victory Tour but at the same time I'd shocked how Michael could do so for such loooooong time...:bugeyed
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Well, he supported Randy's & Jermaine's girlfriend/wife & children for more than a decade. And on top of that, Alejandra didn't want to move out of the house knowing that the one who supported her was Michael & not the father of her kids. No pride or self-esteem at all. But the worst of all, there's no gratitute towards Michael.
 
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The Mann/Vaccaro case can not invalidate the Will PERIOD. If allowed they can bring in the same info the jacksons have been stating about the Will to try and sway the Jury in that case but that case is not about the will .. its about copyrights .. I dont see the judge allowing that info - becuase that info can not prove The will is invalid or that The Esate doesnt have legal rights overMJ's intelectual property. That is no what this case is about. It has no bearing.
 
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