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Subtle changes during tours that you've spotted

DMN31 said:
On the first 6 shows of the HIStory tour,Michael peformed Thriller with the Red Jacket (Made with FDNY Reflective material)
But that one kept getting damage and on the Amsterdam shows He wore a Different jacket.
Starting from the next show in Tunis,The White Leather Jacket was used for the rest of the tour

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Other reasons why Michael ended up using the white jacket is because with stage being really dark it was hard to see what was going on with the red jacket. Fans who have seen him live have said that whenever he did Thriller the stage was really dark. And another reason could be that Beat It was the next song which also has a red jacket and Michael didn't want to use two red jackets in a row
 
DMN31 said:
On the first 6 shows of the HIStory tour,Michael peformed Thriller with the Red Jacket (Made with FDNY Reflective material)
But that one kept getting damage and on the Amsterdam shows He wore a Different jacket.
Starting from the next show in Tunis,The White Leather Jacket was used for the rest of the tour

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WTF is that Amsterdam jacket.. any better pictures out there?
 
IKR. The Amsterdamn jacket doesn't even look like a Thriller jacket.
 
PoP;4305644 said:
I already mentioned the pants.
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No you didn’t. You mentioned his pants with buckles while I was talking about his black pants that he wore from Beat It - Bad/MITM.
 
MichaelD said:
I always assumed it looked similar to the 1987 Bad tour Thriller jacket.



Now thinking about it, the thriller jacket has gone through many obvious changes throughout the years. it is the jacket that went through most changes out of all his live costumes.
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The This Is It Thriller jacket might be my favourite one.
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Might be not on purpose but on Beat It in Bucharest 1996 you could hear the background-singer through the entire song along with MJ backingvocals.. which sounded way better and more powerful. Also MJs energy through the entire show is on dangerous-tour-mode. The best show i've seen from the history tour. It feels like this concerts is how the HWT was supposed to be...

Shame that we only have that crappy VHS rip with the Bucharest 1992 sounds on it.
 
I loved that Michael used the same adlibs he used on the BAD and Dangerous Tours at Bucharest 1996. And I love the extra ''Shock a dee bap, shock a dee bap'' (I think that's what he says) adlibs he throws in there too.
 
wonderouzmj said:
How did you share the post with the time stamp already there?
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You use the built-in share button in youtube, there's a checkbox down below allowing to include the timestamp in the link. I'm wondering how to include the video directly into this forum like you guys did, instead of posting a link.
 
In early History concerts, MJ was trying to do more parts live.

DANGEROUS

In the first two concerts, he sang the "Dangerous, you got, you got ... my baby!" part live.
Prague: https://youtu.be/Wx7oVI1fZxc?t=5616
Budepest: https://youtu.be/XYIVQUPeOgo?t=5020 , only the second "dangerous" was live.

BTW in Ostend, MJ did the entire rap part live, but that's not a "subtle" change.

YANA

In Prague (first concert), MJ sang more live parts of YANA, he started live right after the key was raised the second time. Unlike the later concerts, where he started live after the long "in my heeeeeaaaaarrrrrt". But even though he started live earlier, he still didn't sing the long "heart" part, he was just ad-libbing randomly.
Prague: https://youtu.be/Wx7oVI1fZxc?t=2415

STRANGER IN MOSCOW

In the first several concerts, you can hear the backup singers singing the first few lines of "Stranger in Moscow" on top of the playback, but usually the live backup vocals were cut off after the second line.
Prague: https://youtu.be/Wx7oVI1fZxc?t=1408
Budapest: https://youtu.be/XYIVQUPeOgo?t=1235
Bucharest: https://youtu.be/dG_Zi-2TCZQ?t=1271
In the above three concerts, you can clearly hear the live "Mask of life, feeling insane", but starting from the second line "Sunny days seem far away", you can't hear the live vocals anymore.

I didn't find the footage of Warsaw concert, but I can't hear any live backup vocals in the Zaragoza concert which is after that.
Zaragoza: https://youtu.be/Mpko8m5Re_k?t=940

In Kuala Lumpur Oct 27 concert, you can hear the first two lines of backup vocals being live, but starting from the third line "Stalin" it's pure playback.
https://youtu.be/S4a4sJ7ldA8?t=1206
In Kuala Lumpur Oct 29 concert, you only hear the first line live, but it's very quite, starting from the second line it's pure playback.
https://youtu.be/DmcHZMyAnc0?t=1337

TWYMMF

In Amsterdam 1996, Zaragoza, and Tunis, MJ did the ending part live, just like in previous tours.
Amsterdam: https://youtu.be/pglkVnwlsx0?t=2508
Zaragoza: https://youtu.be/Mpko8m5Re_k?t=2168
Tunis: https://youtu.be/Q6o5jgVDFzw?t=2235

Some fans say that these were fails, but I don't think so. I think MJ were just trying things out during the first few concerts.
The following one, however, were indeed fails to me.

BEAT IT

In Sydney, MJ did this song completely live. There isn't any footage of the entire performance, but we had a mashup video mix containing two "Beat It" clips.
https://youtu.be/J5JuVuDz56w

So the structure of Beat it in History Tour is:

Cherry Picker Intro,
Verse 1, Verse 2, Chorus 1,
Verse 3, Verse 4, Chorus 2, Chorus 3,
"Beat it" Echo, Guitar Solo,
Chorus 4, "Ho! Ho! ad-libs", Chorus 5, Chorus 6,
Call & Response with audience "Haaa! Haaa!",
Dance Routine,
Chorus with ad-libs 7, 8, 9,
Outro.

In other concerts, MJ would lip-synch until Chorus 5, which is the second chorus after the guitar solo, and he would start singing live after the long "ho! ho!". You can check the video of Munich concert, https://youtu.be/Xz-WKZnK_5Y, where he started singing live from 3:42. The backup singers would sing live starting from Chorus 7, ie after the dance routine.

In this concert, the first clip from 0:00 to 0:15 is the chorus before the Call and Response session, so the chorus being performed is Chorus 6. It's true that MJ's lead vocal of this part is always live. But the backup vocals in other concerts were still playback, here they were also live.

But the second clip, from 0:15 to the end, is the chorus before the guitar solo session, which is Chorus 3. Chorus 3 was never performed live, nor was the "Beat It" Echo effect session and the "tsch tsch" sounds. This proves that this concert is unique.
 
In the first few concerts of dangerous tour, MJ did Beat It and WBSS in original key.

In bad tour, WBSS was performed in original key; Beat It was 3 keys lower than original.

During dangerous tour rehearsal, WBSS was in original key; Beat It was 1 key lower than original.

In munich, both were in original key, but MJ was nearly our of breath.

In second concert, June 30 Rotterdam, WBSS was still in original pitch, but Beat It was altered down 2 keys.

In third concert, July 1 Rotterdam, WBSS was altered down 2 keys as well.

But in June 30 Rotterdam concert, when the music of WBSS started, you can clearly see MJ was kinda angry and worried, he signalled the band and backup singers several times. https://youtu.be/owcMeKwH-8k?t=38
I think he told the band to alter both songs lower before the concert, but maybe the band forgot, so he had to do it in original key again, and that's why he's mad. Maybe he was trying to tell the backup singers to sing more parts for him.

Starting from July 18, both songs were lowered an extra key, ie three keys lower than original.
 
analogue said:
Not much of a subtle change, but there are two different versions of the 1992 Jam costume
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Actually not only two.
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For the strap on his chest, he has a golden one that looks like a shutter window, and a silver one.
For the belt, he has a golden one that looks like a shutter window, a silver one, and a sorta black-golden one.

His combinations in 1992 are silver + silver, golden shutter + golden shutter, or golden shutter + black-golden.
 
Not a change from any tour/show, but I've noticed a mistake on the back of the Bucharest DVD. The picture of Michael doing the Smooth Criminal lean is taken from the HIStory Tour.

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analogue said:
Not a change from any tour/show, but I've noticed a mistake on the back of the Bucharest DVD. The picture of Michael doing the Smooth Criminal lean is taken from the HIStory Tour.

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My DVD case has that photo under the disc.
 
analogue said:
Not a change from any tour/show, but I've noticed a mistake on the back of the Bucharest DVD. The picture of Michael doing the Smooth Criminal lean is taken from the HIStory Tour.

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On top of that the photo is mirrored.
Plus there's no plausible reason to include a screenshot of the HIStory teaser on a 1992 concert.
 
analogue said:
Not a change from any tour/show, but I've noticed a mistake on the back of the Bucharest DVD. The picture of Michael doing the Smooth Criminal lean is taken from the HIStory Tour.

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:lmao:
 
Did Michael wear the werewolf mask during this particular Thriller performance? The guy in the mask (Who is usually not Michael) runs off while the backing dancers finish off the dance routine without him. Was that Michael running off the go change into his Billie Jean costume?
 
analogue said:
Did Michael wear the werewolf mask during this particular Thriller performance? The guy in the mask (Who is usually not Michael) runs off while the backing dancers finish off the dance routine without him. Was that Michael running off the go change into his Billie Jean costume?
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I've noticed that the guy who wears the mask taps with the wrong foot. MJ always taps with the left foot, this impersonator taps with the right. You can see it at 4:28. So I don't think it's Mike. Maybe he ran off stage because the mask was slipping or some other mishap, or just forgot his timing.
 
Snek said:
I've noticed that the guy who wears the mask taps with the wrong foot. MJ always taps with the left foot, this impersonator taps with the right. You can see it at 4:28. So I don't think it's Mike. Maybe he ran off stage because the mask was slipping or some other mishap, or just forgot his timing.
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Maybe he really needed to pee
 
analogue said:
Did Michael wear the werewolf mask during this particular Thriller performance? The guy in the mask (Who is usually not Michael) runs off while the backing dancers finish off the dance routine without him. Was that Michael running off the go change into his Billie Jean costume?
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Well, isn't this impersonator supposed to disappear during that trick with the coffin at the end of these Thriller performances (enter coffin, coffin covered by some cloth, it levitates, cloth is pulled off and it is gone, wow!)? It isn't done here, so instead, he exits the stage normally. That clearly isn't Michael in the mask.
 
Serious Effect said:
Well, isn't this impersonator supposed to disappear during that trick with the coffin at the end of these Thriller performances (enter coffin, coffin covered by some cloth, it levitates, cloth is pulled off and it is gone, wow!)? It isn't done here, so instead, he exits the stage normally. That clearly isn't Michael in the mask.
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The coffin wasn't used during every performance but even without the coffin the impersonator stuck around until the song was over.
 
analogue said:
The coffin wasn't used during every performance but even without the coffin the impersonator stuck around until the song was over.
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It just makes more sense for the impersonator to exit earlier so Michael can quickly appear on stage for Billie Jean (since there is no rising stage here, the time to get to stage is shorter). Maybe this show in Bremen was the first without this rising stage, so the impersonator probably didn't know what to do and just exited early for Michael's good.
 
Tbh I wish they would have just skipped the whole Werewolf mask thing and just let the backing dancers finish off the song while Michael goes off to change for the next song.
 
analogue said:
Tbh I wish they would have just skipped the whole Werewolf mask thing and just let the backing dancers finish off the song while Michael goes off to change for the next song.
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It works great when you see it live. - Back then everyone in the audience thought it was MJ under the mask - so it was like real magic when MJ appeared ready for Billie Jean in all new clouth/costume. - Live it was great. - Like the disappereance in WDAN before Beat It worked great. - All of a sudden MJ is in new costumes on the cherrypicker. - Amazing live.
 
Hess said:
It works great when you see it live. - Back then everyone in the audience thought it was MJ under the mask - so it was like real magic when MJ appeared ready for Billie Jean in all new clouth/costume. - Live it was great. - Like the disappereance in WDAN before Beat It worked great. - All of a sudden MJ is in new costumes on the cherrypicker. - Amazing live.
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Yes! I agree 100% it's just us looking & examining all his shows with the internet. It's a new day in age & we had nothing like what we had now & those had to be the most amazing tricks ever done in a concert. Especially coming from what he did on the victory tour
 
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