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Quincy Jones and O2 Arena have changed the title of the show .Please DEMAND A REFUND !

Has anyone gotten anywhere looking for a refund? Im 100% not going now

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I saw on Twitter some folk had got a response to say the show has not changed and therefore no refunds.

Not sure what the latest is, or indeed if anyone has been successful.
 
The point is that the event was falsely advertised before they secure the right to the music they alluded to. For example, nearly all songs in Bad album were written by MJ, what is the point of even mentioning it in the advertisement? And what about international hit singles that made the albums well known and world records such as Beat it and Billie Jean? All those were written by MJ. If they were advertising the show as Off The Wall and Thriller but no songs written by the artist you actually made these albums world records, then very few people would attend.
 
I agree that it may be an estate issue.

But I just want to say that Quincy cannot expect to denigrate Michael and still try to profit from his work with him. That is disrespectful and just plain nasty.

No doubt Quincy has been resentful of the fact that, for many people he is only known for his work with Michael. And if that is the case, this event at the O2 would have been ideal time to showcase the full body of his work (considering the documentary that is out/coming out). But notice the date - this was about cashing in on the anniversary of Michael's death.
 
It's a clear case of false advertising and trying to profit from MJ's fame WHILE discrediting him at the same time (knowing Quincy's behaviour since 09 and the fact that they left out MJ's name even from the original advertisement). Adding the fact the it can be now insinuated that MJ is left out because of LN I think there are quite a lot of reasons to point the finger at Quincy.

As someone who knew and appreciated Quincy's work before and independently form his collaboration with MJ I actually think that a performance showcasing his full body of work (jazz, OSTs, producing works) would be great and had a considerable amount of enthusiastic public - but then it should be advertised so. For some reason he didn't feel that was enough.

We don't know the background of this situation, but even if it's the Estate not giving him right to use MJ's songs (it would be indeed a questionable move, interestingly though Quincy doesn't complain about that) he was still willing to falsely advertise this performance misleading his public.

I understand the general frustration with the Estate but we should only blame them when they are indeed in the wrong, without using every opportunity to diss them as it only undermines legitimate criticism.
 
We also can't be sure how much control Quincy really had about how it was advertised in the beginning and now.

O2 (or whoever is managing this) for sure have every reason to make this as much MJ as they can because that's what will get attention and tickets sold. Maybe they changed their mind about it after LN. Maybe Quincy did. Maybe the Estate forced it.
 
I know there’s no evidence for it but I genuinely believe Quincy wanted to do the 3 albums back-to-back as planned; however, due to background bullshit he couldn’t do it anymore.

Nobody outside of Q’s circle knows why it changed but maybe it’ll come out eventually. Maybe Q had the rights but then something happened...? Who knows?
 
Electro;4258713 said:
We also can't be sure how much control Quincy really had about how it was advertised in the beginning and now.

O2 (or whoever is managing this) for sure have every reason to make this as much MJ as they can because that's what will get attention and tickets sold. Maybe they changed their mind about it after LN. Maybe Quincy did. Maybe the Estate forced it.
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You're right, we don't know how much influence Quincy had on the promotion, but the whole thing is confusing. It was from the very beginning TBH, trying to promote it by using MJ but without actually mentioning his name. And why change it after LN if the main selling point was MJ and people are asking for refund now? And even if it has to do with the Estate (the fact that they are playing the songs not written by MJ suggest something to do with royalties) the promoters still knew it's not going to happen the way it's been advertised, and that's a major problem IMO.

Quincy's tweet on this:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="hu"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">LONDON...Who&#8217;s comin&#8217; to do the hang-thang?! <br>\(^o^)/...Get-Cho tickets -&gt; <a href="https://t.co/RV1ekW71OL">https://t.co/RV1ekW71OL</a> <a href="https://t.co/mkU3oX8efg">pic.twitter.com/mkU3oX8efg</a></p>&mdash; Quincy Jones (@QuincyDJones) <a href="https://twitter.com/QuincyDJones/status/1124448748090691584?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">2019. május 3.</a></blockquote>
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Guys (& Girls).....this is Simple:

For those of you who made the purchase by Credit Card, contact the card company and ask for a "chargeback". Tell them you got the email from AXS saying they're not offering refunds. Mention the false advertising (we have all the info & evidence in this thread that you can show them). I'm 100% sure that they should help you get the full refund.

I'm not sure how it works with purchases made on Debit cards, but if you contact the banks, they should advise on what the procedure is from their side.

It doesn't matter who's fault it is ... (I still think it's Quincy's) ...the bottom line is if a show has changed and you know what you primarily purchased will not be delivered, under Consumer Law you are entitled to a refund.
 
mo_rizwan;4258726 said:
Guys (& Girls).....this is Simple:

For those of you who made the purchase by Credit Card, contact the card company and ask for a "chargeback". Tell them you got the email from AXS saying they're not offering refunds. Mention the false advertising (we have all the info & evidence in this thread that you can show them). I'm 100% sure that they should help you get the full refund.

I'm not sure how it works with purchases made on Debit cards, but if you contact the banks, they should advise on what the procedure is from their side.

It doesn't matter who's fault it is ... (I still think it's Quincy's) ...the bottom line is if a show has changed and you know what you primarily purchased will not be delivered, under Consumer Law you are entitled to a refund.
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I doubt it would be so easy as calling the credit card company. The promoters will claim that they do offer what they advertised ... with the addition of other material. If one asks for a chargeback and let’s assume they get it, what happens to the tickets?
 
We've got picture evidence that they're not gonna deliver what they've promised. 3 Albums back-to-back Vs a string of 80s hits doesn't equal the same to me. You just need to be very good at explaining this.

Once the chargeback is successful (and yes, it can take time) I'm assuming the ticket is null and void. Once the workers scan the barcode, they'll see that it is now an invalid ticket.

Last year, Ed Sheeran cancelled all tickets that were purchased through Viagogo (due to their inflated booking fees....breaching consumer law). Fans had the option to re-purchase the same ticket from the venue Box Office on the day. Some fans didn't receive their refunds from Viagogo, so the credit card companies were dealing with the chargebacks and Viagogo were hit hard financially.
 
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mo_rizwan;4258732 said:
We've got picture evidence that they're not gonna deliver what they've promised. 3 Albums back-to-back Vs a string of 80s hits doesn't equal the same to me. You just need to be very good at explaining this.

Once the chargeback is successful (and yes, it can take time) I'm assuming the ticket is null and void. Once the workers scan the barcode, they'll see that it is now an invalid ticket.

Last year, Ed Sheeran cancelled all tickets that were purchased through Viagogo (due to their inflated booking fees (breaching consumer law). Fans had the option to re-purchase the same ticket from the venue Box Office on the day. Some fans didn't receive their refunds from Viagogo, so the credit card companies were dealing with the chargebacks and Viagogo were hit hard financially.
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I see. The important distinction, however, in that case, as you say, is that Ed Sheeran (or his promoters in my understanding) cancelled those tickets. Ticket sellers are obliged to refund in such a case. In our case we have a dispute with the promoters rather than the ticket sellers. I wished to complain to the ticket selling companies about their responsibility on advertisements they host. I read the terms and conditions and they claim they (axs or ticketmaster) hold no responsibility about advertisements from third companies. I asked SENBLA for the set list and why it&#8217;s not known yet and have not received any answer 1 week now. Ticket sellers will claim that the promoter says the show will go on as advertised with some unrelated Quincy songs as &#8220;an encore&#8221;.
 
This concert promotion change was discussed on the UK Radio 4 'You and Yours' consumer programme thus morning (R4 is the main BBC 'factual' nationwide radio station, and carries a lot of 'weight'). I'll try and find a link to add here, after the programme finishes broadcasting.

A fan called Rosie Fowler emailed the programme and told them about the concert advertised change. The programme did an online interview with a music journalist called Laura Snapes from 'The Guardian', (which as we know supports 'Me Too' and has published multiple articles adverse to MJ).

The programme interviewer asked Laura if this advertised change was just a case of the promoter being too specific in it's earlier advertising, eg 'If you go to Glastonbury', you won't necessarily know what music to expect'. Laura Snapes replied that no, this was different, because if you went to see your favourite band and they did not play your favourite songs, then that was just bad luck, but this (the concert promotion) was different and could be an issue to take to 'Trading Standards' (which is the system whereby consumers can complain about unfair trading in the UK.

Apparently the programme put fan Rosie in direct touch with the promoters, and they offered her ' a trip backstage and a bottle of champagne'. (She bought the tickets as a birthday gift for her boyfriend). Rosie declined, and said they (the promoters) were missing the point.

The programme interviewer then mentioned LN, and Laura Snapes commented that there were different groups eg fans who defended Michael Jackson, and other people who eg. just had his music on playlists for Gym sessions etc. Laura ended by saying: Michael's 'brand has been damaged, but is too big to fail'.


(Also Laura Snapes, if you ever read this comment, Michael is INNOCENT. Please read the following thread for endless REAL evidence from court cases and interviews with significant people. : https://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/...-discussion)-Chandler-Arvizo-Robson-Safechuck

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It's the second item discussed, after bank overdrafts:
Episode titles: Battling high business rates; helping a hoarder; UK prawn production

Starts at appx 7.12

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0005mj9
 
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myosotis said:
This concert promotion change was discussed on the UK Radio 4 'You and Yours' consumer programme thus morning (R4 is the main BBC 'factual' nationwide radio station, and carries a lot of 'weight'). I'll try and find a link to add here, after the programme finishes broadcasting.

A fan called Rosie Fowler emailed the programme and told them about the concert advertised change. The programme did an online interview with a music journalist called Laura Snapes from 'The Guardian', (which as we know supports 'Me Too' and has published multiple articles adverse to MJ).

The programme interviewer asked Laura if this advertised change was just a case of the promoter being too specific in it's earlier advertising, eg 'If you go to Glastonbury', you won't necessarily know what music to expect'. Laura Snapes replied that no, this was different, because if you went to see your favourite band and they did not play your favourite songs, then that was just bad luck, but this (the concert promotion) was different and could be an issue to take to 'Trading Standards' (which is the system whereby consumers can complain about unfair trading in the UK.

Apparently the programme put fan Rosie in direct touch with the promoters, and they offered her ' a trip backstage and a bottle of champagne'. (She bought the tickets as a birthday gift for her boyfriend). Rosie declined, and said they (the promoters) were missing the point.

The programme interviewer then mentioned LN, and Laura Snapes commented that there were different groups eg fans who defended Michael Jackson, and other people who eg. just had his music on playlists for Gym sessions etc. Laura ended by saying: Michael's 'brand has been damaged, but is too big to fail'.


(Also Laura Snapes, if you ever read this comment, Michael is INNOCENT. Please read the following thread for endless REAL evidence from court cases and interviews with significant people. : https://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/...-discussion)-Chandler-Arvizo-Robson-Safechuck

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It's the second item discussed, after bank overdrafts:
Episode titles: Battling high business rates; helping a hoarder; UK prawn production

(link awaiting programme 'release' shortly)
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I wouldn't waste your time trying to convince the idiots from the Guardian.

But thanks for sharing this.
 
From a what I understand people have not gotten their money back. It&#8217;s a crazy situation of false advertisement and ridiculous excuses. I wonder what will happen Sunday night. I plan to be there.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Laughed out loud at this. Brilliant. <br><br>I’ll be seeing <a href="https://twitter.com/senbla?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@senbla</a> in the small claims court in a few months. <a href="https://twitter.com/villalobosdan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@villalobosdan</a> is also planning to take them to small claims court. <a href="https://t.co/F05xZGQbGf">https://t.co/F05xZGQbGf</a></p>&mdash; Charles Thomson (@CEThomson) <a href="https://twitter.com/CEThomson/status/1142159719118843904?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">21. Juni 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Don’t Stop Til You’ve Had Enough: An Article on the Quincy Jones / MJ Tribute Debacle<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJFam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJFam</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/QuincyJones?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#QuincyJones</a><a href="https://t.co/0iMZxoXyQb">https://t.co/0iMZxoXyQb</a></p>&mdash; Syl Mortilla (@SylMortilla) <a href="https://twitter.com/SylMortilla/status/1142135543242866688?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">21. Juni 2019</a></blockquote>
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just read the comments...
 
3 albums plus all those encore songs in 95 minutes.
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Costas;4260153 said:
From a what I understand people have not gotten their money back. It&#8217;s a crazy situation of false advertisement and ridiculous excuses. I wonder what will happen Sunday night. I plan to be there.
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I'm wondering if there will be any other special guests? The list of names does not seem to have been updated?

Very Special Guests Announced: Beverley Knight, Daley, James Morrison, Jonah Nilsson, Shaun Escoffery, Sheléa, & More Tba
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Please do let us know....
 
I’m there now and so far he has played only MJ songs including: Billie Jean, WBSS, Don’t Stop ‘Til You Get Enough and many others. I think Q has reconsidered but we’ll see in the second half...
 
ShineGloveShine;4260771 said:
I&#8217;m there now and so far he has played only MJ songs including: Billie Jean, WBSS, Don&#8217;t Stop &#8216;Til You Get Enough and many others. I think Q has reconsidered but we&#8217;ll see in the second half...
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And does the audience seem to like it? Are there lots of empty seats?
 
I thought it was a great concert. Most of the people around me including myself were up dancing!

He played only 3 or 4 songs that weren&#8217;t Michael&#8217;s at the end. Q came out at the end and said that he thought we&#8217;d be mad and he said he&#8217;d never want to distance himself from Michael, he just wanted to play some other songs too.

I thought it was a great concert, 80% of it was Michael and I love Q&#8217;s stuff generally so I was happy. One of the singers kept fumbling the words to MJ&#8217;s songs though... but wow hearing MJ&#8217;s songs with a full orchestra and perfect arrangements is something.

Hearing Liberian Girl live was something. Magnificent.

Big Rod Temperton fan as well. It was poignant to see his widow there and even Bob Geldof was in the audience and got on the stage!
 
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ShineGloveShine;4260786 said:
I thought it was a great concert. Most of the people around me including myself were up dancing!

He played only 3 or 4 songs that weren’t Michael’s at the end. Q came out at the end and said that he thought we’d be mad and he said he’d never want to distance himself from Michael, he just wanted to play some other songs too.

I thought it was a great concert, 80% of it was Michael and I love Q’s stuff generally so I was happy. One of the singers kept fumbling the words to MJ’s songs though... but wow hearing MJ’s songs with a full orchestra and perfect arrangements is something.

Hearing Liberian Girl live was something. Magnificent.

Big Rod Temperton fan as well. It was poignant to see his widow there and even Bob Geldof was in the audience and got on the stage!
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Quincy tried distancing himself from Michael, thus the name change of the concert. However, he didn’t expect or anticipate the reaction from the fans. That’s the only reason that he decided to play as much Michael music as he did at this concert. IF he could have gotten away with distancing himself, he would have.
 
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