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    Film cameras are heavier. they are not held on the shoulder like the cams seen on this concert. I havnt checked carefully likw you, if other kind of cam is used. Film cameras are carred by two guys or on stand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom kit View Post
    Film cameras are heavier. they are not held on the shoulder like the cams seen on this concert. I havnt checked carefully likw you, if other kind of cam is used. Film cameras are carred two guys or on stand.
    Ok, well definitely did not notice anything like that. If they were there, they were very well hidden. I think it's likely that they weren't there at this show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dam2040 View Post
    There was more than 5 wembley dates
    Other 2 concert were like month later:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_%28tour%29#Tour_dates

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galactus123 View Post
    Here is some evidence:

    Here is the full version: http://icolorist.com/grading-michael-jackson/

    "My first real grading job was on the Michael Jackson Bad tour in 1988, directed by Patrick Kelly. I was an assistant telecine operator at Visions, located in Soho, London. As an assistant I laced the film, loaded the film cleaner and pressed REC on the 1” VTR.

    The concert was shot on a mixture of 35mm and 16mm film, it seemed at times they were shooting film for fun! The crew filmed 2 nights out of the 5 Wembley stadium gigs, film was also fed from the earlier tour legs in Australia, Japan, and Europe. As an accompanying piece to the concert, an “on the road” documentary was also filmed at the same time. The concert was cut in a 4 machine 1” online edit suit, not offlined. This was before Avid of FCP offline so the alternative would have been a lowband umatic or ¾ edit. As soon as the film came in from the lab we would be transferring it, feeding the footage on to 2 hungry edit suites.

    It is still the biggest music project I have ever been involved with in terms of volume of footage. We would load each negative film lab roll onto the Rank MK111 telecine machine then set the counter to a known sync point on the film. So LR 10 would be TC 10:00:00:00. The sync point would be the start mark on the film leader.

    The single “Another part of me” was cut from some of my early telecine work. The music video was cut from footage shot in London and Paris, that shows you how tight Jackson’s performance was. As far as I know the complete concert and documentary has never been released. A disappointing waste as the film managed to capture Jackson at his peak. Jackson never came into Visions during the project but Frank Dileo, his cigar smoking manager, visited a couple of times."
    Thanks for that, although still nowhere does it say that this particular concert was shot on film.

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    I've checked red shirt again and here are again two cameras next to eachother. and this two hold two differen cameras.



    this could be the 16mm cameras
    https://www.google.de/search?hl=de&s...F4bx4QTsnoHoCw

    where the 35mm cameras are bigger and mostly on the crane or stand
    https://www.google.de/search?num=10&....2.g1pQUOz9KIY

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    Someone should break out MITM footage from Moonwalker and APOM video and try to look for what sort of film cameras were being used. I'll do it when I have the time. Time to start scouring Bad Tour photo galleries as well haha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lom kit View Post
    I've checked red shirt again and here are again two cameras next to eachother. and this two hold two differen cameras.



    this could be the 16mm cameras
    https://www.google.de/search?hl=de&s...F4bx4QTsnoHoCw

    where the 35mm cameras are bigger and mostly on the crane or stand
    https://www.google.de/search?num=10&....2.g1pQUOz9KIY

    The camera on the right has an eyepiece similar to the ones you find on arri 16mm cameras

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJBT View Post
    The camera on the right has an eyepiece similar to the ones you find on arri 16mm cameras
    Arriflex 16 SR2 - released in 1982...

    Same camera? Hard to tell from that screenshot.
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    ^^
    no, the one is more roundly and so angular.
    i've checked some of the 88 videos that are in ok quality (more or less) and I only see video cameras. sometimes there are so that could be film cameras, but it could be just the head of the camera man. hard to see.

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    Yes, I know I'm saying different thing. But at the end they will win.

    I did count 4 cam. angles; one is front of the Michael, one is from Mix Tower, one is at left, one is at right. And this is a compilation video, from different times of the live show.




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    Quote Originally Posted by WildStyle View Post
    Someone should break out MITM footage from Moonwalker and APOM video and try to look for what sort of film cameras were being used. I'll do it when I have the time. Time to start scouring Bad Tour photo galleries as well haha.
    I took some screenshots from the Man in the Mirror performance in Moonwalker where cameramen can be seen:





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    Here is the video, I did upload






    I think it's not for just big screen, also recorded to tapes.
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    Just spent the last few hours looking at all the Bad Tour photos at mjphotocollectors.com looking for any shots that may have film camera operators in them. This is all I came up with...




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    Quote Originally Posted by WildStyle View Post
    Just spent the last few hours looking at all the Bad Tour photos at mjphotocollectors.com looking for any shots that may have film camera operators in them. This is all I came up with...

    I just noticed that kind of cameras in Moonwalker MITM in the background:




    On the left

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    can't really tell



    this one looks like the camera from APOM above. notice that film cameras are holded alway with two hands. with the second hand to adjust the focus and zoom.
    where the video cams are hold with one hand, see pic1 on the right.
    next the the white shorts (left) is another camera. (the girl is sexy)


    yes it is.


    Ok, now we must find out from which date they are.

    It sure to say, that when two cameras are next to eachouther, one is film camera (mostly).
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