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    Default Lets Discuss BAD concerts footage and what may have been shot on film ?

    Im wondering if July 16th concert was shot on film (which it most likely was) does that mean there would be different camera angles? or would it be the same? I absolutely LOVE the concert, and i do think this could possibly be his greatest performance ever HOWEVER some of the camera angles don't do the performance justice. So if this was re released one day is it possible there would be different camera angles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsggamer123 View Post
    Im wondering if this concert was shot on film (which it most likely was) does that mean there would be different camera angles? or would it be the same? I absolutely LOVE the concert, and i do think this could possibly be his greatest performance ever HOWEVER some of the camera angles don't do the performance justice. So if this was re released one day is it possible there would be different camera angles?
    Yes, they would be completely different camera angles. Next time I watch it, I'm going to try to keep a look out for film camera men. Does anyone know what sort of cameras would have been used for the jumbotron feed verses the ones used to shoot film?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rsggamer123 View Post
    Im wondering if this concert was shot on film (which it most likely was) does that mean there would be different camera angles? or would it be the same? I absolutely LOVE the concert, and i do think this could possibly be his greatest performance ever HOWEVER some of the camera angles don't do the performance justice. So if this was re released one day is it possible there would be different camera angles?
    Yes, they'd be able to edit each camera angle, choosing the best possible If the show is recorded on film, you're able to mix/edit/change each second of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WildStyle View Post
    Yes, they would be completely different camera angles. Next time I watch it, I'm going to try to keep a look out for film camera men. Does anyone know what sort of cameras would have been used for the jumbotron feed verses the ones used to shoot film?
    The Jumbotron cameras are white for the main body and black on top and at the front during WBSS, APOM & HH(especially during the beginning of HH) you can see a camera man holding one in front of the stage I count 5 in total.

    1. Left side on a crane which has a white covering as he finishes the side walk you can see it tracking him running in front of it and running back to the mic.
    2. Right side on a crane
    3. Handheld stood at the front
    4. On Stage Handheld(he can be during the beginning of the second verse of APOM)
    5. Camera for the long zooms and front view

    And 6 if you count that HQ shot before IJCSLY

    Film cameras would be black if they used 35mm the film stock will be on top, if they used 16mm cameras the stock will be on the top or the back.

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    that HQ shot before IJCSLY is similar to the one after WBSS, looks like it was added later on by the editors. It's probably sourced from film or otherwise MJ's personal cameramen.
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    Is there any evidence to suggest this concert was indeed shot on film? Anybody see any film cameras being used? You would think since this was an important concert for MJ there is a good chance this would be one of the concerts shot using film cameras.

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    I don't know about THIS concert. Maybe other(s)

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    It was confirmed that this concert was indeed shot on film in its entirety.

    Btw, this segment from Private Home Videos, which i initally thought were from 16th, seems to have some extra cameras below the stage. But i can't figure out if they are photographers or something else. Also this can be anywhere in England, and as they filmed alot of MITM performances for the sole purpose of including it in Moonwalker, it could only be that one song and not the entire concert.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Themidwestcowboy View Post
    It was confirmed that this concert was indeed shot on film in its entirety.
    Really? Who confirmed this??

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsggamer123 View Post
    Really? Who confirmed this??
    Warren Eagles, colorist of the initial BAD tour montage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMWhizzle View Post
    Warren Eagles, colorist of the initial BAD tour montage.
    Thank you for that, i remember there was an article/interview with him awhile ago about the tour, what was shot on film, etc could somebody direct me to that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsggamer123 View Post
    Is there any evidence to suggest this concert was indeed shot on film? Anybody see any film cameras being used? You would think since this was an important concert for MJ there is a good chance this would be one of the concerts shot using film cameras.
    Here is some evidence:

    Here is the full version: http://icolorist.com/grading-michael-jackson/

    "My first real grading job was on the Michael Jackson Bad tour in 1988, directed by Patrick Kelly. I was an assistant telecine operator at Visions, located in Soho, London. As an assistant I laced the film, loaded the film cleaner and pressed REC on the 1” VTR.

    The concert was shot on a mixture of 35mm and 16mm film, it seemed at times they were shooting film for fun! The crew filmed 2 nights out of the 5 Wembley stadium gigs, film was also fed from the earlier tour legs in Australia, Japan, and Europe. As an accompanying piece to the concert, an “on the road” documentary was also filmed at the same time. The concert was cut in a 4 machine 1” online edit suit, not offlined. This was before Avid of FCP offline so the alternative would have been a lowband umatic or ¾ edit. As soon as the film came in from the lab we would be transferring it, feeding the footage on to 2 hungry edit suites.

    It is still the biggest music project I have ever been involved with in terms of volume of footage. We would load each negative film lab roll onto the Rank MK111 telecine machine then set the counter to a known sync point on the film. So LR 10 would be TC 10:00:00:00. The sync point would be the start mark on the film leader.

    The single “Another part of me” was cut from some of my early telecine work. The music video was cut from footage shot in London and Paris, that shows you how tight Jackson’s performance was. As far as I know the complete concert and documentary has never been released. A disappointing waste as the film managed to capture Jackson at his peak. Jackson never came into Visions during the project but Frank Dileo, his cigar smoking manager, visited a couple of times."
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    I'm watching it again looking out for the camera operators. Just got up to I'll Be There and so far I've seen a few camera operators, but none that I could tell that were obviously using film cameras. Although I'm no expert. I did just see this though. Two camera operators standing side by side. I found that a little odd. Could mean that one was shooting film and one was shooting for the jumbotron. Or they were just 2 jumbotron shooters that decided to stand next to each other for a a few seconds. Quality isn't good enough for me to tell if they are using different types of cameras. Anyway... will keep watching.



    Edit: Finished watching it. Didn't really notice anything further. I will say that if this particular concert were shot on film I would expect to see more than one camera man (he was filming for the jumbotron) at the front of the stage. But maybe they were further back or well hidden.
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    What makes you so sure that THIS concert was filmed?

    Warren says 2 out of 5 and isn't giving any dates

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    The crew filmed 2 nights out of the 5 Wembley stadium gigs, film was also fed from the earlier tour legs in Australia, Japan, and Europe.
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    There was more than 5 wembley dates

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