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    I always dreamed of this big "death bed" confession. I don't know, maybe I watch too many movies. LOL!

    I still hold out hope, that one day he will tell the world what really happened. Keeping The Faith!

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    Default Re: Redemption: A New Michael Jackson Movie

    Interesting that sullivan wrote, presumably via ray, that jordan was hoping that with both mj and evan now dead, things would die down and he would be left alone, to spend his millions i suppose. And then in his tv interviews promoting his book, sullivan was putting the spotlight squarely on jordan as holding the one and only key to mj's innocence/guilt. I hope that jordan feels that pressure every single day.

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    Default Re: Redemption: A New Michael Jackson Movie

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Apple2 View Post
    I always dreamed of this big "death bed" confession. I don't know, maybe I watch too many movies. LOL!

    I still hold out hope, that one day he will tell the world what really happened. Keeping The Faith!
    Of course, a death bed confession would be better than nothing and I too hope for it, but a death bed confession is still some 50-60 or more years away. He's only 32. He's obviously a coward, otherwise he would have already done the right thing.

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    Default Re: Redemption: A New Michael Jackson Movie

    I know this is not laughing matter, but all the dead bed talk made me burst out laughing

    Respect, I agree he is coward.
    Hopefully he reads here our comments and feels sting in his heart.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bonnie Blue View Post
    I hope that jordan feels that pressure every single day.
    Me too, and when it is his time to go, I hope the direction is downstairs when the man with pitchfork can poke him with it to the eternity. Serves him right.

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    Default Re: Redemption: A New Michael Jackson Movie

    jordan was hoping that with both mj and evan now dead, things would die down and he would be left alone
    Michael is dead but his legacy is alive and our love for him is alive.
    All those money..I wonder if jordan thinks it was worth it.
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    Default Re: Redemption: A New Michael Jackson Movie

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonnie Blue View Post
    Interesting that sullivan wrote, presumably via ray, that jordan was hoping that with both mj and evan now dead, things would die down and he would be left alone, to spend his millions i suppose. And then in his tv interviews promoting his book, sullivan was putting the spotlight squarely on jordan as holding the one and only key to mj's innocence/guilt. I hope that jordan feels that pressure every single day.

    I personally could not live like him: just standing there and watching how Michael is still getting trashed in the media for something he did not do and being accused of a horrible crime and being stigmatized, when I could go out there and change a lot of it by just telling the truth. But I have to realize just because I couldn’t live like that it doesn’t mean Jordan cannot either. Apparently he can. He’s OK with the money he got from all of it and he doesn’t care enough about Michael to risk the comfortable life he has thanks to that money.


    Ray Chandler apparently told Sullivan that “Jordan doesn’t care about what people think about him”. This was a reaction to when Sullivan asked him what Jordan thought about that Internet hoax from 2009 when it spread on the Internet that Jordan retracted.

    This can be read two ways IMO: One is that Jordan doesn’t mind if that retraction story is out there. Maybe because deep down he’d love to do it.


    On the other hand I also found it upsetting because it’s such a selfish stance. He doesn’t care what people think ABOUT HIM? What about caring about what people think about Michael? Of course, you can never take anything Ray Chandler says for granted, nor Sullivan, but IF this is truly Jordan’s stance – “I just don’t care” – then it’s truly, truly disappointing and sad. And just shows that it’s probably futile to expect anything from him.

    ETA: I do think Jordan told the truth people around him. However he needs to realize that's not enough. To throw parties to MJ's music in college is not enough. Michael was accused in front of the whole world, if there is a confession by Jordan then that too needs to be done in front of the whole world, not just to a select few. And I do not mean he needs to go on Oprah, if he doesn't want to. But he could issue a statement authorized by his lawyer, or something. It doesn't necessarily have to be an interview on national TV.
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    Default Re: Redemption: A New Michael Jackson Movie

    Quote Originally Posted by respect77
    On the other hand I also found it upsetting because it’s such a selfish stance. He doesn’t care what people think ABOUT HIM? What about caring about what people think about Michael? Of course, you can never take anything Ray Chandler says for granted, nor Sullivan, but IF this is truly Jordan’s stance – “I just don’t care” – then it’s truly, truly disappointing and sad. And just shows that it’s probably futile to expect anything from him.


    Thing is we don't know exactly what he thinks of mj and how his views might be open to changing. I'm positive jordan would have been convinced in 93 and subsequently that mj was a pedo and he was v v lucky to escape - alot of people - evan, ray, his lawyers, psychiatrists, sbda, sherrifs, tab media, latoya(!) would all be reinforcing this. We can all see now the outright prejudiced questioning of the children done by the law enforcement and just the clear assumption of mj's guilt. So you would feel less guilty in making false allegations, you would probably feel you were doing a public service and protecting other children by bringing it all to light. Even with the 14 not guiltys in 05, weren't the media polls taken afterwards overwhelmingly against mj's innocence?

    However now, 3 yrs after mj's death, with the gradual consensus that the arvizos were not credible, the trial being seen more and more as a vendetta by sneddon, and no other victims coming out even though mj is no longer here to 'cover up', it's just him that's seen as really the only accuser. That is a difference i think to his position before. That's what i meant in my post on jordan and the pressure. Although we were all obviously mad at sullivan bringing up the shadow of doubt re jordan, i wonder how jordan feels with sullivan putting all the weight of evidence of mj's alleged guilt onto him and him alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonnie Blue View Post
    Interesting that sullivan wrote, presumably via ray, that jordan was hoping that with both mj and evan now dead, things would die down and he would be left alone, to spend his millions i suppose. And then in his tv interviews promoting his book, sullivan was putting the spotlight squarely on jordan as holding the one and only key to mj's innocence/guilt. I hope that jordan feels that pressure every single day.
    If only Michael could've had things die down for him, huh Jordan?

    I also hope he feels it every single day. I wish there was a memorial every day for Michael and he had to face people walking around talking about it everywhere he went.

    I've also hoped for some kind of death bed confession.

    Or maybe when he has kids or something.

    But he seems capable of avoiding it all so far. 2005 trial, cutting off contact with Evan, MJ dying, seeing Paris speak about him, hearing about his hoax confession (he could've claimed this as his own, would've been easy for him, Sullivan said a family member told him, "Let people think what they want" about that confession), Evan dying. He's had many many opportunities to feel guilty enough to step forward, but he hasn't. So my hopes in him have gone really.


    But the Jordan focus has kind of always been there.

    I do agree he may have been convinced MJ had molested other kids, thanks to people like Victor Gutierrez and their detailed fantasies. And then 2003-2005 comes along and maybe confirms it to him ("I did my part" - it's what I think Evan hoped to do, get the ball rolling of an avalanche of people coming forward like the Savile case, so even if his story wasn't true, Jordan would be "helping" other kids by stepping forward). But surely by Evan's death he must've realized.

    I don't know, so many opportunities for him to feel like he could step forward have arisen, and he's hidden away every single time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by respect77 View Post
    Michael was accused in front of the whole world, if there is a confession by Jordan then that too needs to be done in front of the whole world, not just to a select few. And I do not mean he needs to go on Oprah, if he doesn't want to. But he could issue a statement authorized by his lawyer, or something. It doesn't necessarily have to be an interview on national TV.
    I wish to see this one day... I really pray that he will do the only right thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonnie Blue View Post
    Interesting that sullivan wrote, presumably via ray, that jordan was hoping that with both mj and evan now dead, things would die down and he would be left alone, to spend his millions i suppose. And then in his tv interviews promoting his book, sullivan was putting the spotlight squarely on jordan as holding the one and only key to mj's innocence/guilt. I hope that jordan feels that pressure every single day.
    How come Jordan still keep in touch with his uncle but had been out of touch with both his parents for a long time? He seeked legal emanicipation when he was 14 I think and got it. His mom confessed in 2005 that she hadnt seen her son for 11 years! I dont know when he resumed contact with Evan again but he sued Evan in 2005 for trying to kill him (Evan countersued)... and we all know what kind of snake Ray is, what gives that Jordan allegedly keeps in touch with his uncle? I mean we all know how much Ray loves to speak about MJ and Jordan etc and he wrote that shitty book so I find it interesting to know why he is supposedly still in contact with Ray.
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    Quote Originally Posted by respect77 View Post
    I personally could not live like him: just standing there and watching how Michael is still getting trashed in the media for something he did not do and being accused of a horrible crime and being stigmatized, when I could go out there and change a lot of it by just telling the truth. But I have to realize just because I couldn’t live like that it doesn’t mean Jordan cannot either. Apparently he can. He’s OK with the money he got from all of it and he doesn’t care enough about Michael to risk the comfortable life he has thanks to that money.


    Ray Chandler apparently told Sullivan that “Jordan doesn’t care about what people think about him”. This was a reaction to when Sullivan asked him what Jordan thought about that Internet hoax from 2009 when it spread on the Internet that Jordan retracted.

    This can be read two ways IMO: One is that Jordan doesn’t mind if that retraction story is out there. Maybe because deep down he’d love to do it.


    On the other hand I also found it upsetting because it’s such a selfish stance. He doesn’t care what people think ABOUT HIM? What about caring about what people think about Michael? Of course, you can never take anything Ray Chandler says for granted, nor Sullivan, but IF this is truly Jordan’s stance – “I just don’t care” – then it’s truly, truly disappointing and sad. And just shows that it’s probably futile to expect anything from him.

    ETA: I do think Jordan told the truth people around him. However he needs to realize that's not enough. To throw parties to MJ's music in college is not enough. Michael was accused in front of the whole world, if there is a confession by Jordan then that too needs to be done in front of the whole world, not just to a select few. And I do not mean he needs to go on Oprah, if he doesn't want to. But he could issue a statement authorized by his lawyer, or something. It doesn't necessarily have to be an interview on national TV.
    Did I read that right? He threw parties with Michael's music? You tell the world this person hurt you and you play his music at a party?

    Money will never buy happiness. I don't think he will ever speak out publically. I don't think he cares to. The lies will stay with him and his family forever. They can block it, ignore it but it will always be with them. I believe things like that will haunt you in your life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vici View Post
    How come Jordan still keep in touch with his uncle but had been out of touch with both his parents for a long time? He seeked legal emanicipation when he was 14 I think and got it. His mom confessed in 2005 that she hadnt seen her son for 11 years! I dont know when he resumed contact with Evan again but he sued Evan in 2005 for trying to kill him (Evan countersued)... and we all know what kind of snake Ray is, what gives that Jordan allegedly keeps in touch with his uncle? I mean we all know how much Ray loves to speak about MJ and Jordan etc and he wrote that shitty book so I find it interesting to know why he is supposedly still in contact with Ray.
    I'm not so sure if they are indeed in contact. But they are a family so Ray might learn things Jordan said from other family members, perhaps. Of course, he also just may make up things. We can never know.

    It's said that Jordan and June reconciled a couple of years ago.

    I think one of Jordan's reasons to not to come foreward is to protect his family. There are still people alive in his family who were in it - his mother, his uncle. It doesn't make it right to keep silent though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marebear View Post
    Did I read that right? He threw parties with Michael's music? You tell the world this person hurt you and you play his music at a party?
    According to a girl who went to school with him in NY ca. 2003-04 (she was also on the defense's witness list), yes, he did throw parties with Michael's music...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonnie Blue View Post
    However now, 3 yrs after mj's death, with the gradual consensus that the arvizos were not credible, the trial being seen more and more as a vendetta by sneddon, and no other victims coming out even though mj is no longer here to 'cover up', it's just him that's seen as really the only accuser. That is a difference i think to his position before. That's what i meant in my post on jordan and the pressure. Although we were all obviously mad at sullivan bringing up the shadow of doubt re jordan, i wonder how jordan feels with sullivan putting all the weight of evidence of mj's alleged guilt onto him and him alone.
    Yes, I agree that it's mainly on Jordan's shoulders now, whether he likes it or not. The Arvizos and the Francias are not considered really credible and if someone gives them credit that's usually only a result of MJ having been accused before. If Jordan confessed that would tear down the Arvizo and Francia crap too in the public eye, IMO. Sure, Dimond, Orth and the like would still try to say things like "but there were other kids" (Arvizo, Francia) - after all they built a whole career on the lie of MJ being a child molester, so a Jordan confession would be VERY bad news for them. But I think the general public would finally start to engage their brains and see the light and these extreme MJ haters get marginalized.

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    Default Re: Redemption: A New Michael Jackson Movie

    Um... Jordan was never confused about MJ of whether he was truly a molester and thinking he was helping others, that's B.S. Jordan never believed for real that MJ molested anyone! Guess some forgot that Jordan lied about MJ molesting others like Barnes knowing that wasn't true, he lied on purpose to help his father out. Jordan named Barnes back then, accusing MJ himself. As we know many yrs later Barnes and others in the 05 trial testified MJ never touched them, the same thing they said as kids to those stupid cops during the 93 investigation. Jason Francia was the only one who fell for the trap and then continued to lie about it in the 05 trial, just to help his greedy ass mom!

    But, the Jury laughed at his lame story, which said it all! Jordan most likely choose to name Barnes then because they did hang out with MJ once or maybe more with MJ together, so Jordan knew who Barnes was. Guess Evan was hoping Brett Barnes would say something similar like Jordan to make their story sound credible. Thank god it backed fired. Barnes always said the truth and never let those cops bully him. By the way there is a pic of MJ hanging out with both Jordan and Brett Barnes online somewhere that I saw.

    And it's obvious Jordan doesn't care what anyone says for selfish reasons called mucho money! Don't need Ray Chandler to tell me that, who chickened out in testifying at the 05 trial too. Besides Jordan not showing up at the 05 trial himself said it all or else he would have said the truth by now. That's why I hate that online suppose confession. No way should he get away with people believing such a weak confession while he hides away in silence like a chicken having people play guessing games! I say speak up like a damn man publicly dude! Yo crazy ass family members like Ray, ain't gonna be around forever to speak for ur behind like a child!-_-


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