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    Default Re: The Michael/Paul McCartney/Beatles Catalog Story - What's the real story? [MERGED]

    From July 2009. MJ part starts around the 2 minute mark.



    It's clear when Paul discusses the catalog that he didn't expect Michael to actually go after the Beatles songs, since they were friends, but I've never seen him suggest that he didn't have a chance to get the catalog himself. And it's obvious that he could have got it himself if it was available in the first place. In this video he literally says, "Someone had to get it, I suppose". His issues were the commercialisation of their songs - which I know George didn't like either - and the fact that Michael ignored his requests for a better deal. A request which was very reasonable given their friendship. Because that awkward situation wasn't resolved they drifted apart over time. But as I've said before, Paul was always diplomatic about what happened and still said nice things about Michael afterwards, including in this video.


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    Default Re: Do you think it was wrong for Michael to take The Beatles Catalog away from Paul McCartney?

    Quote Originally Posted by ozemouze View Post
    But OK, let's judge it on moral ground: MJ was a bad friend, cared only about business, Paul was hurt - it's still the end of story. Paul couldn't seriously expect MJ to offer him the catalogue at a lower price (wouldn't this make him also a questionable friend who cared only about money?).

    Do you realize that "doing at least that much" would mean serious financial loss for MJ (not to mention how better that deal should exactly be? When Paul says that's not too pricey anymore?). How is that MJ's loss doesn't matter, but Paul's is enough for making moral judgement?

    Thinking that MJ shouldn't have bought the catalogue is fine, but you can't seriously think he should give it to Paul at a discount price. I really can't fathom this idea, it's so unreal.
    But I don't think that has ever been sugested. Paul talks about a "rise". Not about Michael selling him the catalogue. Now, I confess ignorance about the workings of this bussines. I'm not sure how it works. The owner of the publishing rights pays a certain rate to the author of the song? Anyone knows?

    I don't think it would be reasonable to expect that Michael should have given Paul the rights or sold them to him at a lower price (though what that would mean would have been hard to establish in the first place, cause the price paid was for the whole catalogue and not just the Beatles songs), simply because Paul was rich too. It does seem reasonable that, since they were friends, maybe he should have given him that rise (whatever that means) and not used the songs in commercials since Paul wasn't OK with that.
    BTW to suggest that Michael wouldn't have been making money off the songs if he didn't license them for commercials is wrong. The publisher makes money every time the song is played.

    Quote Originally Posted by ScreenOrigami View Post
    One thing I truly dislike is how Paul went on TV to talk about it. MJ never ever did anything like this, except once with “Mr. Eminem”.
    Paul never went on TV to talk about it. He was in interviews and the issue was brought up by the interviewer and he commented on it. From his perspective of course.
    And I've only seen one interview posted here where he sounds actually somewhat upset. The others are very mild. His imitation of Michael's voice btw is something he had been doing when telling the story of Michael calling him, since way before the whole catalogue thing, so it was never meant in a negative way.

    Quote Originally Posted by somewhereinthedark View Post
    Thank you for posting this- FACTS!!! 100%!! The lies that Paul McCartney has perpetuated all these years is just ONE of the reasons that the some in the industry and the MSM has this hate towards Michael. I wonder why Paul never speaks on the fact that Yoko Ono did not WANT him to have the rights to this catalogue. Paul could have cleared up this misinformation about Michael, years ago. YET, he allowed it to fester and fans of the Beatles, including the media and the industry used it against Michael. For newer fans of MJ, this is what all of the media hate is against Michael. The fake allegations have ALWAYS been a smoke screen. Older fans have always known the agenda behind the hate and jealousy of Michael and it has crap to do with fake abuse allegations.
    What lies has Paul McCartney perpetuated?.

    He's never said Michael "outbid" him and he's always admitted he was offered the catalog first .

    Paul DOES speak of Yoko Ono's role in the affair. If anything, it seems he blames her for not buying the rights back then, though he doesn't outright say it. (I'm going to try to find a video of what he's said about this).

    The misinformation about this has been made up by the press: the idea that Michael outbid Paul or that he somehow took the rights away from him (as the title of one of the merged threads here indicates). He couldn't have taken the Beatles catalog away from Paul because Paul didn't own it.

    In fact, several interviews by Paul clearly indicate that, while he wasn't exactly pleased, there was no fallout over this, and as the pics posted on this thread show, they seem to have remained friends. The real problem happened over Paul wanting a rise and Michael either refusing or ignoring his requests. The use of some songs in commercials doesn't seem to have helped either. Still, it would appear there was no real fallout either but rather that they drifted apart over this over time.
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    Default Re: Do you think it was wrong for Michael to take The Beatles Catalog away from Paul McCartney?

    Quote Originally Posted by ScreenOrigami View Post
    I have said it before in this thread: Paul didn’t shell out the money to buy the catalogue himself, but then expects MJ to let go of a good chunk of his profits, just so that his multi-millionaire friend Paul gets a “raise”? Come on!

    And then Paul goes on TV to talk about his hurt feelings. And people actually buy it, because: Paul.
    "A good chunk" of his profits? How do you know how much it would have been? He'd still have been making lots of money. When you have friendship mixed with bussines, it can never be "just bussines".

    It's pretty clear as well that it wasn't about the money per se, but about what Paul consiedered a fairer deal, since he obviously feels what happened with the songs wasn't fair to begin with (I mean from way back in the 60's).

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    Default Re: Do you think it was wrong for Michael to take The Beatles Catalog away from Paul McCartney?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crisstti View Post
    "A good chunk" of his profits? How do you know how much it would have been?
    Well, enough for Paul to get upset that he didn’t get it. Even without knowing the numbers, I think it’s safe to say we’re not talking about peanuts here.

    Paul should have bought the catalogue when he was given the opportunity, then he could have had any raise he wanted.

    But I think I have made my opinion on the whole affair clear throughout this thread, and I don’t really have anything to add to what I have said previously. It’s all somewhere in this thread.
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    Default Re: The Michael/Paul McCartney/Beatles Catalog Story - What's the real story? [MERGED]

    What commercials did Michael allow Beatles music to be used in? I keep seeing this as if he whored the catalogue out every other week.

    I only remember a Nike commercial that Paul spat the dummy over.

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    Default Re: Do you think it was wrong for Michael to take The Beatles Catalog away from Paul McCartney?

    Quote Originally Posted by ScreenOrigami View Post
    Well, enough for Paul to get upset that he didn’t get it. Even without knowing the numbers, I think it’s safe to say we’re not talking about peanuts here.

    Paul should have bought the catalogue when he was given the opportunity, then he could have had any raise he wanted.

    But I think I have made my opinion on the whole affair clear throughout this thread, and I don’t really have anything to add to what I have said previously. It’s all somewhere in this thread.
    I think for Paul it was more a thing of principle than money itself. It's not as if he had any money problems.

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