[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[NatureCriminal7896]

so what does this all means?

[NatureCriminal7896]

i'm starting to get worry guys.... is this good news or bad news?

[Mikky Dee]

From what I've read so far about the new law, it doesn't seem to cover Robson's or Safechuck's situation at ALL. The law allows extra time for victims to sue the (alleged) perpetrator directly.....(NOT the Estate of the alleged perpetrator). It allows claims to be made up until the victim's 40th birthday, or within five years of recognition of psychological injury from the alleged abuse. Safechuck is 41. Robson is 37, however his "realisation" was in 2013, which is now six years ago. I think some media outlets will try to push this angle and make something out of it that just isn't there. The bottom line is that an appeal from Robson and Safechuck was already in the cards- the court is likely to rule that there is no new evidence that makes an appeal warranted, regardless of any new statute of limitations law.

[myosotis]

From what I've read so far about the new law, it doesn't seem to cover Robson's or Safechuck's situation at ALL. The law allows extra time for victims to sue the (alleged) perpetrator directly.....(NOT the Estate of the alleged perpetrator). It allows claims to be made up until the victim's 40th birthday, or within five years of recognition of psychological injury from the alleged abuse. Safechuck is 41. Robson is 37, however his "realisation" was in 2013, which is now six years ago. I think some media outlets will try to push this angle and make something out of it that just isn't there. The bottom line is that an appeal from Robson and Safechuck was already in the cards- the court is likely to rule that there is no new evidence that makes an appeal warranted, regardless of any new statute of limitations law.

I think their joint appeal started some time ago (paperwork submitted), and their lawyers are trying to add in the new law (to the appeal) to save starting again with a whole new case?

Since MJ is no longer a 'person' who can be sued, the only sue-able entities are the Estate and/ or the companies in existence at the alleged time(s).

I don't see where this new age/ time related law has any effect on case law where the issue to be resolved is whether companies/ entities had 'control' over the alleged abuser (like sports clubs/ the church etc). MJ's companies never controlled him. But that is one of the aspects of the original Robson/ Safechuck case that the 2 accusers are likely seeking to have reviewed in their ongoing appeal.

They will seek every opportunity in their appeal to either have the original judge's opinions overturned (regarding the old law) or to bring in new arguments under the new law.

I understand that the only thing they cannot do is bring in new 'evidence' for the original case-as-already-tried.


(PS Just a quick comment regarding 'statues' - Laws are statutes - as in 'statutory'.
Statues / Statuary is something that belongs in a museum or garden.)

[Mikky Dee]

PS Just a quick comment regarding 'statues' - Laws are statutes - as in 'statutory'.
Statues / Statuary is something that belongs in a museum or garden.

I know this. That's why I wrote statutes in my post.

I presume that you directed your "P.S." to members who unknowingly and repeatedly write "statues".

[myosotis]

I know this. That's why I wrote statutes in my post.

I presume that you directed your "P.S." to members who unknowingly and repeatedly write "statues".

Yes indeed. Sorry, the brackets didn't really separate that comment enough; I should have made another post.

I'm mindful that these court cases are extremely complicated and that many MJ fans who want to follow the cases don't have English as a first language. I always imagine that running posts (or tweets) about these cases through 'Google translate' must be fraught with difficulty, and 'statues' will only add to the confusion.

[KOPV]

Getting it back to court (in my view) is not a bad thing... Let it be approved, they film their a different version of stories in thw HBO film than what they previously claimed. That's evidence now!

[ScreenOrigami]

So, no news on this front?

[myosotis]

So, no news on this front?

We might have to wait until Nov 18th (oral arguments date).

I haven't seen any papers for this one yet- I'm sure fans will publicise them if they can get hold of them before 18th.

[ScreenOrigami]

We might have to wait until Nov 18th (oral arguments date).

I haven't seen any papers for this one yet- I'm sure fans will publicise them if they can get hold of them before 18th.

I see. Thank you.

[dam2040]

Why can't anyone hellbent on Jackson's guilt answer the question;

Why did Wade Robson lie about not knowing the Estate existed?

[elusive moonwalker]

Not knowing the estate excisted is like claiming you didnt know mj died😕💩

[DifferentKindOfLady]

Why can't anyone hellbent on Jackson's guilt answer the question;

Why did Wade Robson lie about not knowing the Estate existed?

Because for them it doesnt matter. They wanna screw MJ and they will do whatever they can to do so. Sad but true.
They will try everything because they're bad people and all they want is money. I just want this to come to an end because this has already created sadness and anger to the people who love MJ.

[terrell]

Because for them it doesnt matter. They wanna screw MJ and they will do whatever they can to do so. Sad but true.
They will try everything because they're bad people and all they want is money. I just want this to come to an end because this has already created sadness and anger to the people who love MJ.

People like this does not realize this kind of stuff will come back on them. In time, those 3 are going to turn on each other (Dan/Wade/Jimmy).

[DifferentKindOfLady]

People like this does not realize this kind of stuff will come back on them. In time, those 3 are going to turn on each other (Dan/Wade/Jimmy).

They are blind with money and until they realize what they're doing a lot of people will continue to suffer. (Mrs Jackson and the kids)