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    Default Re: [Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

    interesting.....

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    Default Re: [Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

    And continuing from the above ^^ with thanks to fans on Twitter:

    In their reply to Safechuck's appeal, the estate notes how ANYONE could've taken steps to warn and report upon learning of any supposed molestation history. Highlighting the absurdity of only going after MJ's companies (instead of their own parents, Blanca, LeMarques/Quindoys...)

    The problem with Safechuck's copying-pasting pieces of his allegations direct from Wade's case can sometimes lead to a train station-like dilemma...
    He alleges misconduct by MJJ Ventures in the 1980s for not protecting him / facilitating the abuse, but it did not exist until 91.

    In LN, James and Wade both carefully omit mention of any living person to accuse of crimes, conspiracy or cover-up.
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    Default Re: [Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

    Also, There is a section specifically relating to the new legislation allowing more time for reporting alleged abuse: (Again with thanks to fans on Twitter)

    These are the estate's responses to the court's specific questions following AB 218 passing:

    A. Applicability.

    The estate concedes AB would allow late filing of claims if appeals aren't concluded by Jan. 1. This would eliminate partial—but not all—focus of appeal; with regard to 340.1(b)(2).

    Estate reiterates that it would challenge applicability later as law evolves.

    B. Other Issues (1)

    Estate argues appellate court must affirm case dismissal if it is based on any other grounds stated in demurrer. This includes at least 4/6 other causes JS can't prove:

    - Negligent Supervision
    - Negligent Hiring
    - Failure to Warn
    - Breach of Duty

    B. Other Issues (2)

    Emphasis is placed on fact that appellate court can uphold trial ruling based on any other noted findings in the demurrer, whether or not the trial court intended the other (non time-related) findings to support the demurrer or acted upon them specifically.

    C (1). Both Cases Related

    Estate concedes that unlike JS, WR's demurrer is based only on statute of limitations (likely reversed via AB 218).

    But since they both argue same causes of action, court should wait to rule on WR's until after JS' is decided, based on arguments above.

    C (2). WR - Time Needed for New Discovery

    Wade's case was litigated 4.5 years w/ less than 5 mo. left to try when summary judgment came. If remanded, estate needs time for new discovery relating to Wade's PR tour & LN etc. Appellate court should decide time options if remanded.
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    Default Re: [Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

    Estate will pursue NEW discovery, if case proceeds to trial. YIKES!

    In my opinion, this is not only going to be bad for Robson, it's also going to be bad for HBO. Now folks "might" have an opportunity to hear the OTHER SIDE, and the "collective" certainly do not want that!!

    First of all, there are SO many glowing interviews on YouTube, featuring Robson. Way too many for him to explain away, especially when folks who don't know about them, actually get a chance to see and/or hear them. Wherein he is smiling, joking, and bragging about his so-called friendship with MJ.

    I have a few favorites myself: When he was on with Jimmy Kimmel, talking about how he and MJ talk on catch-up from time to time, by phone. Another when he is on a beach being interviewed and saying how Neverland is like Disney Land, the best thing in the world. And lastly, the interview wherein Robson is BRAGGING about getting the MJ Cirque Show, and how excited he was and how he wanted to do a good job for Cirque, for himself, and for MJ.

    Those are just a few, but we all know that there are many, many more. What we don't know is WHAT ELSE The Estate has.

    Robson has a lot to overcome, I just don't see him being able to do it. Same goes for HBO, because everything that was omitted from the mockumentary will now be available for all to see.

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    Default Re: [Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

    TMZ is reporting that the judges issued a tentative ruling likely giving them new trials (based on the new law). Ugh, I'm so sick of this BS.

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    Default Re: [Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

    Quote Originally Posted by serendipity View Post
    TMZ is reporting that the judges issued a tentative ruling likely giving them new trials (based on the new law). Ugh, I'm so sick of this BS.
    Yeah, I hear you and feel the same way, BUT

    Now Robson will have to explain his supposed SUBPOENA in 2005 and his latest blunder, that being filming a video on Michael's "sacred land" in 2007. Actually, Robson and Company have a lot to explain. That includes HBO!!

    All of the things we have been talking about and sharing amongst ourselves will now be public knowledge.

    In my opinion, they don't want a public trial, they want a QUICK SETTLEMENT!

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    None of this will be good. Wades lawyer’s have seem to been able to finagle things. Who knows what will happen, how can any of this be fair when MJ is dead. This will drag on for years and years.

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    Default Re: [Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

    Let us not forgot about HBO. Do you really think they want to be dragged into this mess (of their own making)?

    They released that one-sided mockumentary and will now want to distance themselves from the 2 liars and their director. Now that the Estate has included them in NEW Discovery.

    Having this case go to trial will NOT be good for Home Box Office, Inc. They can't afford to admit that they were duped by the 2 liars and their director and they certainly can't admit that knew, but went along with the project anyway. Not a good look either way.

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    The problem is the HBO case will be over before Robson/Safecuck trial starts. Won’t the Estate pretty much show there hand to Wade and Jimmy during the HBO arbitration?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smooth72 View Post
    The problem is the HBO case will be over before Robson/Safecuck trial starts. Won’t the Estate pretty much show there hand to Wade and Jimmy during the HBO arbitration?
    I don't believe so, because the Estate's present case with HBO is regarding the Contract only. Two completely different issues.

    With the case regarding Robson and Safechuck, the Estate "may" have an opportunity to ask HBO WHY was James's train station story eventually edited out from future airings. In my opinion, it was removed because they found out it was not true. That answer will be devastating to HBO in open court.

    Keeping in mind that WE know about the removal, because we keep up with EVERYTHING. The general public, not so much.

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    Default Re: [Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

    From fans on Twitter:

    Oral arguments have been completed and the cases are submitted to the panel of three judges for review.
    It is expected they will now discuss and form an official decision in writing. Typically this can take another 1-4 months but may be accelerated due to the newly passed bill.

    Oral arguments were consolidated but two separate decisions will be written by the judges.

    Wade - Demurrer was based only on statute of limitations, it is likely to be remanded back to trial court.

    James - other factors were also part of demurrer beyond statutes, estate argued.

    Weitzman (TMZ): "The Appellate Court's tentative ruling is not on the merits of Robson and Safechuck's allegations and the Court in no way said that these cases will go to trial."

    Weitzman is confident that the cases "will, once again, be dismissed as has happened before."
    It's also being said on twitter that both R and S were present in court (See TMZ video below), along with Anthony Edwards.

    Anthony Edwards, is involved with the group 1in6 (an advocacy group for male victims of sexual abuse).

    Edwards appeared on Oprah Winfrey’s HBO special After Neverland where he spoke directly to the two men who’ve come forward with child sexual abuse allegations against Michael Jackson.

    “What you guys so beautifully represented here is that thing that happens to a young psyche who has allowed a person to become their everything. That person is your whole life. That person is inspiring, he was a mentor to me. He was all of it. And creating that world…the feeling was…if I were to tell the truth, it would all shatter. Life would go away. And if you were in my case, I was fourteen, fifteen, your life is this big. That person is so much bigger than that. And that’s the thing that keeps all of us so quiet. And that’s been the amazing experience of working with 1in6 and working with great practitioners like Howard.

    And realizing that what you guys have done here, and what we say in 1 and 6 is you guys are not alone. But the ability to tell a friend, a mother or father, anyone, your story…and to own that story without shame…that’s how we heal and recover. And you’re proving that it is possible.”

    The men tearfully thanked Anthony Edwards for his comforting words of advice and the audience burst into loud applause.

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    TMZ asks in this clip 'What will you guys do with your winnings...will you donate it to charity or...' Robsome replies 'We're not there yet- one day at a time, right?'

    TMZ also met up with R and S after the hearing. Robsome said 'he's not concerned about anything the Estate might try and do'.
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    I’m gonna get my hockey stick ready and bash those b@$^#%$ down.
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