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    Default Re: [Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

    Quote Originally Posted by terrell View Post
    See Chandlers how they lies keep bring them back. Until JC clear this lie, JC and his family wont have peace. That is just the way it goes.
    But isn't then JC then forced to pay back all the money back to the Estate if he announce to the public that nothing happened between him and Michael? If it breaches the confidential agreement in the settlement? Nevertheless yeah, the lies brings the Chandlers back and his family won't have any peace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by john13th View Post
    But isn't then JC then forced to pay back all the money back to the Estate if he announce to the public that nothing happened between him and Michael? If it breaches the confidential agreement in the settlement? Nevertheless yeah, the lies brings the Chandlers back and his family won't have any peace.
    The settlement was about negligence, not abuse. And who would go after him for breaching the confidential agreement? Certainly not anyone in MJ’s camp. And the document has been leaked by The Smoking Gun anyway. It’s not really a secret anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john13th View Post
    But isn't then JC then forced to pay back all the money back to the Estate if he announce to the public that nothing happened between him and Michael? If it breaches the confidential agreement in the settlement? Nevertheless yeah, the lies brings the Chandlers back and his family won't have any peace.
    Screenorginal just answered the question. The settlement is no secret no more. We know he lied, we know the settlement details, etc. it is no secret no more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by terrell View Post
    Screenorginal just answered the question. The settlement is no secret no more. We know he lied, we know the settlement details, etc. it is no secret no more.
    Right? And we can talk about the claims of negligence and emotional distress some other time. Right now, all we want is for him to man up and confess that no abuse ever happened.
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    There is some interesting background to the Leroy Whaley - (Jolie Levine's son) motion for protective order - from fans on Twitter.(Thank you for sharing).
    For reference, here are some extracts. They are important in showing exactly the kind of tactics, witnesses and 'evidence' the R and S cases are relying on. :

    A pending motion is Finaldi's request for a protective order & sanctions against MJ's side, for what he calls misconduct by Ms. MacIsaac (MJ Estate attorney) during the deposition of Yoshi (Leroy Del Yoshi Whaley - Jolie Levine's son).

    Finaldi had subpoenaed Jolie Levine hoping she'd corroborate tabloid headlines and gossip from years prior, but instead (in her 2017 deposition) she served as a fantastic advocate of MJ's innocence.

    Finaldi's only recourse in Jolie's deposition—after she demolished his case—was to bring in Leroy Thomas' claims of destroying a photo of a nude Asian child (implying Joline's son). (Thomas had previously failed a polygraph on Maury Povich show & in other stories said it was a white blond boy.)

    Even though Finaldi knew by the end of Jolie's deposition that neither she nor her son had negative things to say about MJ let alone believe he was a child molester, he still went forward with his deposition of Yoshi weeks later. Yoshi vehemently opposed this waste of his life.

    The drama between these parties began in the aggressive manner Finaldi served the subpoenas. This is common w/ many witnesses Finaldi goes after.
    A: ''You mean, where your guy cut me off in the street, hopped out of his car & blocked me and my child in my car... F***n' dirt bag.''

    Finaldi was hopeful Yoshi would say MJ paid for his solo flight to Europe & that he was isolated w/ MJ.
    But Yoshi's mom paid for trip and he explained how he'd fall asleep in chef's room, and hung out w/ all of MJ's entourage including Chuckie, Brando, Bray like "a big family."

    Yoshi remembered meeting James Safechuck "once or twice" during the MJ tour, which itself also dispels the myth that MJ would separate each boy.
    Yoshi's recollection was that the Safechucks were "very star struck...James & his family." He had minimal memory of them beyond that.

    Finaldi's main objective in these depos is to blindly try to connect MJJ Productions to whatever he can, as a way to establish they are responsible.
    It almost always backfires. In another example, Finaldi asks if Yoshi's nannies worked for MJJ Productions (no, they did not.)

    Soon, Finaldi attempts to bolster the deranged tales told for profit by Leroy Thomas (of the failed Hayvenhurst 5 scandal).
    To start, Yoshi didn't recall that he ever stayed the night at Hayvenhurst or Neverland, or being in MJ's room, and remembered his mom had drove him there.

    Finaldi again asks if Yoshi ever spent time "alone" with MJ anywhere. Yoshi didn't recall doing so beyond some shopping trips & one hilarious incident in Denver.
    At the hotel, MJ lit up snake fireworks that a guard had brought, inside the room. "It shut the whole hotel down."

    Yoshi goes on to explain why MJ was so fun to hang out with. "He was just a big kid. Lived carefree... I don't think he ever got a chance to grow up..."
    Finaldi suggested the rest of the Jacksons aren't that way despite similar upbringing, but Yoshi said they all are similar.

    Yoshi remembered shopping for toys and video games on occasion, with MJ driving a Mercedes. He remembered them going to a magic shop and studio.
    He didn't remember a white bronco (vehicle)during his time visiting MJ. (Wade claims assault in the bronco, when nobody was looking).

    Yoshi was asked about his 1993 police interview. This is where he grows increasingly angry during the deposition. Yoshi says "they tried to intimidate and lie to a child and it didn't work." They told Yoshi they had nude pictures of him despite knowing that was a lie and that they had no such photos. (The origin of the whole story is from Leroy Thomas' tale of the pic being "an Asian boy.")

    Finaldi, flustered that Yoshi discredited his tabloid-riddled sources, pivots to try and attack Yoshi's character. Asking if he's ever been arrested.
    Circling back to Yoshi's experience with MJ and Neverland, he remembered going there only one time but MJ wasn't around. His mother had dropped him off.
    This is consistent w/ recollections of others including Robsons & Safechucks—MJ was rarely around the ranch when they visited.

    Finaldi reverts back to the Hayvenhurst 5 guards & the baseless stories they told to the tabloids and police in preparing their lawsuit.
    At this point in Yoshi's deposition Finaldi randomly tries suggesting that maybe Yoshi deliberately wanted to block out the past as if there are bad memories of MJ.
    Again, Yoshi snaps back: "No. I remember plenty. I remember a lot of great people. I remember a lot of fun times."

    Keep in mind Finaldi's entire witness roster are people like Leroy Thomas and related sell-outs, ones so far down on the credibility ladder that not even Sneddon raised their claims in 2005.

    Shortly before Finaldi "suspended" Yoshi's depo (the basis of his motion for sanctions), he presented the police report of Yoshi's interview.
    Yoshi reiterates: They're a bunch of liars... They lied to me about things happening sexually... Saying they had photos they didn't have.
    After more back and forth in similar vein, Yoshi again points out how he'd have doubts about anything written in the police report. When Finaldi asks why, Yoshi retorts: "Well, the same reason why you so actively want to go after the estate. You're suing a dead man. Kind of seems desperate."

    And here is the last straw of Finaldi, when MacIsaac objected to his continued mischaracterization of Yoshi's testimony. Whereby Finaldi says "I'm suspending the deposition right now."
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    Default Re: [Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

    Read on Threadreader to see all the document excerpts.

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    Default Re: [Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

    Yeah. Finaldi treats the witnesses all the same. Even the ones he thinks would help him he ends up annoying. He has no case and uses ppl even sneddon wouldnt touch

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    Pfft. That underling Finaldi’s just wasting his time trying to get more to speak up against Michael and yeah indeed he’s annoying them so much, they should sue him for harassment.
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    Default Re: [Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

    ^ This letter is also relevant:
    (Robson's Motion to amend the third amended complaint was filed on September 9, 2016.
    In the new complaint choreographer Wade Robson seeks to pursue additional negligence claims against two companies formerly controlled by Michael Jackson)

    From fans on Twitter: ''This is not a new development—it is what Finaldi did after inheriting the cases in 2016 as part of amending their lawsuits.

    They will still argue the same BS in court about CSA, but the legal arguments of case will focus on the subject of negligence.''

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    Default Re: [Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

    About the depositions in this case, from a fan on Twitter who has read them (I haven't seen the actual depos. anywhere in public as yet):
    (Note: The 'adverse' witnesses who were previously paid for stories by the press know that these stories were debunked in court in 2005, and that the 2005 court arguments can come back to disprove them again.)

    Having reviewed full depos from most of Finaldi's witnesses the only thing he proves is how willing he is to disregard facts, even when knowing his witnesses are clearly bullshitting.

    The ones he questioned who never sold stories offer compelling arguments toward MJ's innocence.

    Blanca & Jason Francia, Charli Michaels, Leroy Thomas, Donald Starks, Orietta Murdock...

    Murdock basically recanted many old claims. Blanca admitted to police pressure. Thomas/Starks are hilarious. Michaels second-guessed herself & was hostile toward Finaldi, though still gross.

    But there are other witnesses Finaldi tries to cherry pick tiny bits of old statements or remarks out, like innocuous things of seeing MJ with kids at NL. Mostly this backfires majorly. Jolie Levine, Yoshi, Gary Hearne, Mary Coller, Gayle Goforth, Evangeline P.A., George Niall.
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    Default Re: [Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

    From fans on Twitter:

    9/24 is next important hearing in Wade's case. Judge will rule on outstanding matters:

    - Spence & Marion Contempt (fighting Finaldi's subpoenas)
    - Protective Order & Sanctions (Yoshi depo)
    - Lily Chandler & Tabitha Protective Order (fighting Finaldi's subpoenas)

    One month away.

    Link to Full Deposition for : Leroy Waley (Yoshi) (2017)

    https://mjjr.net/docs/LeroyWhaleyDepo.pdf


    This is Jolie Levine's son. He vehemently expresses his resentment of Finaldi.

    Finaldi ended it prematurely and is now seeking $8,000+ sanctions against MJ's side & contempt based on Yoshi's responses*.

    Ruling on 9/24.
    *Example of Yoshi's responses:
    Y: You're an ambulance chaser to me.
    Finaldi: Okay. What's an ambulance chaser?
    Y: You're trying to dig up money.
    ...
    MR. FINALDI: Ma'am, we're here on a Saturday because he requested to be here on a Saturday. Is that true?
    Y: I requested to not be here at all.
    LOL:
    F: And did you ever spend time with Michael alone (on tour)?
    Y: I think Denver when we lit fireworks off in the hotel room.
    F: Was that on the Bad Tour?
    Y: I believe so, yes.
    F: And who was lighting off the fireworks with you?
    Y: Me and Michael Jackson.
    F: In the hotel or somewhere else?
    Y: In the hotel room.
    F: Inside his actual room?
    Y: Yes.
    F: What kind of fireworks?
    Y: They were -— it was, like, some sort of snake or something.
    F: And --
    Y: It shut the whole hotel down.
    From the transcript, it seems that Finaldi 'mis-stated' some of Yoshi's answers back to him, (to imply things that Yoshi had not), and Yoshi's legal rep. (acting for MJJ Productions) tried to object to the false inferences and also to 'broad' questioning (which implied eg that MJ used to call Yoshi at regular times from regular places) and eventually Finaldi suspended the interview and said he would seek sanctions. To my legally uneducated eyes, it does look as if Finaldi was continually exceeding the legal boundaries and was in the wrong.
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    Default Re: [Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

    Quote Originally Posted by myosotis View Post
    From fans on Twitter:




    Link to Full Deposition for : Leroy Waley (Yoshi) (2017)

    https://mjjr.net/docs/LeroyWhaleyDepo.pdf




    *Example of Yoshi's responses:


    LOL:


    From the transcript, it seems that Finaldi 'mis-stated' some of Yoshi's answers back to him, (to imply things that Yoshi had not), and Yoshi's legal rep. (acting for MJJ Productions) tried to object to the false inferences and also to 'broad' questioning (which implied eg that MJ used to call Yoshi at regular times from regular places) and eventually Finaldi suspended the interview and said he would seek sanctions. To my legally uneducated eyes, it does look as if Finaldi was continually exceeding the legal boundaries and was in the wrong.
    Calling that fool Finaldi an “ambulance chaser” which is he’s after $$$. HA! I love that response.
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    Default Re: [Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

    From fans on Twitter (with thanks):

    This week, MJ's team has filed the anticipated demurrer motion in Safechuck's case, refreshing claims that the prior judge & appellate never ruled on.

    A tentative in-person hearing on this demurer will be Oct 16 2020.

    The estate argues JS' claims are fatally defective—"No amendment can cure these defects."

    1. Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress
    2. Negligence
    3. Negligent Supervision
    4. Negligent Retention/Hiring
    5. Negligent Failure to Train, Warn, Educate
    6. Breach of Fiduciary Duty

    The estate summarizes how James never bothered appealing the original dismissal against the estate.

    Instead, James (like Wade) shifted their financially motivated claims by "artfully attempting to recharacterize the alleged misconduct as 'negligence' of the two corporations."

    The estate contends that James' allegations are "rife with easily proven falsehoods" and refers to the claims as "legal fiction" but acknowledges that the Court, in deciding the demurrer, has to treat the pleadings as if undisputed to determine the legal substance of the causes.

    The estate rightfully points out how the companies cannot be directly liable for any alleged molestation.

    Therefore, Wade/James (after Finaldi took over) withdrew the molestation claims in favor of "failure to protect" as a way to shoe-in a hopeful payout from the companies.

    The estate explains that the negligence causes all fail because no facts establish the corporations had duty to protect, given existing legal precedent, why they befriended MJ, and especially when the alleged conduct had nothing to do with the corporations (solely owned by MJ).

    Another argument from Safechuck (and one attempted by Finaldi in almost every failed depo) is that the companies were supposed to be "mandatory reporters."

    Safechuck provided no supporting facts that the corporations or staff were child care custodians or directly supervised MJ.

    Continuing, the estate argues that the "negligent supervision & negligent hiring" is also without merit.

    The corporations obviously "did not hire, retain, or supervise MJ—their owner, president, sole shareholder, and sole reason for existence."

    Another preposterous claim by JS.

    Regarding "Negligent Failure to Train, Warn, or Educate," the estate again explains that it lacks any legal basis or foundation, even using Finaldi's own filings to sell the point.

    The companies were established to conduct MJ's music business, not to train or educate families.

    Another claim is for "Intentional Infliction of emotional distress." (Finaldi originally hinted at removing this when he removed the molestation claims.)

    James fails to support any of this, especially how the companies supposedly conducted "extreme & outrageous conduct."

    Finally, the estate contends that Safechuck has no grounds to allege that the corporations now being sued were his fiduciaries.

    Even stretching it to an "employer" relationship would fall flat, since James has no evidence of any employment in 1988-1992 with MJ or his companies.

    In the footnotes the estate includes:

    1. Reference to James' 2nd amended complaint where negligent supervision was dismissed. JS admits in 3rd complaint the corporations were "incapable of supervising" him.

    2. Why 'Pamela L. v. Farmer' (presumably a prior case quoted by Finaldi et al.) is misplaced—very different circumstances.

    (The link to the full document has not yet been shared).
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    Also from fans on Twitter:

    Dan Reed (citing Channel 4 & to-be-determined US network) has just been granted access to bring his film/ recording equipment to ALL FUTURE COURT EVENTS, starting tomorrow.
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