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    Default Re: [Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

    From fans on Twitter with thanks:

    Estate's declaration requesting $14,281.25 in sanctions against Finaldi for his failed motions (separate from $6,270 Finaldi owes Fox & Spence).

    $3,912.25: Meet & confer
    $1,100: Response to Ex Parte Doc
    $9,200: Preparation of Opposition Papers

    Finaldi will respond by Oct. 9, and the judge will issue a final sanction amount on October 16.

    Often the declared amount by the judge will be lower than the amounts requested by attorneys, but he will consider all of their arguments and expenses in deciding.
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    Default Re: [Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

    Quote Originally Posted by myosotis View Post
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    Estate's declaration requesting $14,281.25 in sanctions against Finaldi for his failed motions (separate from $6,270 Finaldi owes Fox & Spence).

    $3,912.25: Meet & confer
    $1,100: Response to Ex Parte Doc
    $9,200: Preparation of Opposition Papers

    Finaldi will respond by Oct. 9, and the judge will issue a final sanction amount on October 16.

    Often the declared amount by the judge will be lower than the amounts requested by attorneys, but he will consider all of their arguments and expenses in deciding.
    Does that mean that moron Finaldi has to pay up?
    SUPPORTER/FAN of MICHAEL JACKSON & NARUHINA

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    Default Re: [Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

    Quote Originally Posted by PoP View Post
    Does that mean that moron Finaldi has to pay up?
    When the judge declares the final amount, yes indeed.

    It's not a lot in the scheme of things though. This law firm works on a contingency basis so they get a percentage of every case they win (Not sure how much, but maybe 20-30% .) As a firm, they say they have won over $600 million for their clients, so 20% of that would be enough to pay a few legal bills.
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    Default Re: [Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

    Quote Originally Posted by myosotis View Post
    When the judge declares the final amount, yes indeed.

    It's not a lot in the scheme of things though. This law firm works on a contingency basis so they get a percentage of every case they win (Not sure how much, but maybe 20-30% .) As a firm, they say they have won over $600 million for their clients, so 20% of that would be enough to pay a few legal bills.
    HA! Serves him right.
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    Default Re: [Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

    News from fans on Twitter- Finaldi and Co are trying to remove the judge. (AE Cunny is an atty for the plaintiff's law firm).
    Maybe Finaldi has an alternative judge in mind....


    A motion file yesterday :
    Challenge To Judicial Officer - Cause (170.1/170.3) (Notice of Written Verified Statement of Alex E. Cunny, Esq. for Voluntary Recusal Pursuant to Code of Civil Procedure 170.3(3))
    Filed by Wade Robson (Plaintiff)
    (it seems that this motion quotes potential conflict issues relating to the work of the judge's wife, who is an attorney. She appears to be a partner in a legal practice where she specialises in employment law, training employers in legal matters etc.)

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Cal. Code Civ. Proc. §170.1(a)(6): [A judge shall be disqualified if] (6)(A)
    For any reason:
    (i) The judge believes his or her recusal would further the interests of justice.
    (ii) The judge believes there is a substantial doubt as to his or her capacity to be impartial.
    (iii) A person aware of the facts might reasonably entertain a doubt that the judge would be able to be impartial.


    A) The judge has a personal bias or prejudice concerning a party. ... (2) Without conceding his or her disqualification, a judge whose impartiality has been challenged by the filing of a written statement may request any other judge agreed upon by the parties to sit and act in his or her place.

    California Code, Code of Civil Procedure - CCP § 170.3 ...codes.findlaw.com › ca › code-of-civil-procedure › ccp-sect-170-3

    Notes to the above include:
    It is important that presiding judges remind judges that unless they are disqualified, they have a duty to hear all assigned matters

    For CCP §170.3, the judge’s (own) personal determination of disqualification (must be) the first step in the disqualification analysis.

    Unless:
    ... a party files a written verified statement pursuant to Civil Procedure Code §170.3(c) declaring that all judges on the court are disqualified. Such a challenge presents a legal issue that must be resolved in the context of the litigation.

    https://www.caljudges.org/docs/Ethic...62%20Final.pdf

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    More background info. on Cal. law:

    The judge or commissioner may only be challenged if he or she has not determined a contested issue of fact relating to the merits of the case. Usually, this means within ten days after a party receives notice of the judge’s assignment to the case or within ten days of the party’s appearance in court. C.C.P. § 170.6(a)(2).

    ....one can seek to disqualify a judge at an arraignment, on the filing of an amended information, on a hearing of a continuance of a motion, at a demurrer, at a hearing to determine competence of defense counsel, when polygraph results shown to judge, on summary revocation of probation, at a Penal Code § 1368 motion to determine defendant’s competence to stand trial or when a judge rejects a proposed plea agreement. People v. Montalvo (1981) 117 Cal.App.790, 796, 173 Cal.Rptr. 51 (in determining whether to accept or reject proposed plea bargain, judge does not determine contested issues of fact; therefore, defendant’s motion to disqualify judge who rejected proposed plea agreement was timely).

    Only one peremptory challenge can be made in any one case. C.C.P. § 170.6(a)(3).

    However, it is almost impossible to have a judge replaced or a case reassigned based on a claim that a judge is unfairly prejudiced against one party regardless of the case facts. In fact, judicial disqualification on due process grounds will only be found in “exceptional cases presenting extreme facts.” Such “extreme facts” must show that the probability of actual bias by a judge “is too high to be constitutionally tolerable.” People v. Cowan (2010) 50 Cal.4th 401, at 456.
    In a Nutshell: One can disqualify a judge from a case when defendant can prove it is an “exceptional case with extreme facts” that “show the probability of actual bias by a judge is too high to be constitutionally tolerable.”

    https://www.greghillassociates.com/w...ng-a-case.html
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    Default Re: [Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

    Thanks. Bet he wouldnt have bothered if the judge hadnt sanctioned him!

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    Default Re: [Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

    From fans on twitter with many thanks for sharing:

    Finaldi's latest opposition to the estate's recently filed demurrer request, relating to James Safechuck's third amended complaint.

    Largely the same recycled & fallacious arguments that Finaldi desperately stretches in the name of $$$.
    https://mjjr.net/docs/2020-10-02-Fin...k-Demurrer.pdf

    The document insists that Chucky was a 'minor employee of defendants, who had a duty of care to protect, supervise, train, educate and warn against the forseeable dangers that they knew or should have known about.

    The defendants maintained control over MJ

    Intentional Infliction of emotional distress has been sufficiently pled

    The negligence cause of action has been sufficiently pled

    The negligent supervision cause of action ditto

    The negligent retention cause of action ditto

    The negligent failure to warn cause of action ditto

    The breach of fiduciary duty cause of action ditto


    The attached document starts:

    'Defendants MJJP and MJJ V took minor children into their custody and control knowingly exposing them to an unreasonable risk....etc etc. It was their conduct that placed these children in (MJ's) home......'

    They go on to assert that Defendants were entities created to, at least in part, provide for the welfare and safety of minor children' and 'Defendants employed individuals who were responsible for supervising Jackson' (!!!)

    The element of control is asserted as 'Staikos once having forced Jackson to agree to fire an employee who had requested a raise'.

    Section B of the doc. is curious in asserting abuse 'from June until 1992'. (No year given for June).

    There appears to be no mention of Mrs Safechuck, who was with James throughout.

    Basically the same old - same old that we have seen before for Robson.
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    Default Re: [Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

    Also from fans on Twitter with many thanks:

    JB deposition, October 2017

    https://mjjr.net/docs/Deposition-Joh...2017-10-18.pdf


    GH depo. 02/09/16

    https://mjjr.net/docs/Deposition-Gar...2016-09-02.pdf


    GG depo. 24/10/16

    https://mjjr.net/docs/Deposition-Gay...2016-10-24.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thriller_MJ View Post
    Starting to feel like Michael won't recover from this and that his legacy will be permanently damaged by all this. It's a shame really, seems nobody is willing to fight in his corner. It feels as if the estate will lose, in fact i would actually bet money on it if my gut feeling is right. The estate will only lose due to out-side interference in the case adding pressure onto the judge. If the estate do lose and there is a guilty verdict i'll be done with M.J for good i think. It shouldn't be this stressful being a fan of someone.
    Dude Darren I have known you a long time......It hurts me to see you give up so easily! You may of been too young to remember when news broke against Mike in 1993 when he arrived in Bangkok that day??? But I went to school and faced so much slander and bullying!!!!! and 12 years later I got all my peers to finally understand the MAN MICHAEL JACKSON and after watching LWMJ they was not fazed they knew he was stitched up.... After a Loooooong 5 month trial of man and complete strung up 100% innocent drawn out for the media show to dissect from every angle.To watch and hear that every day in words is totally unimaginable.But still my family and friends believed in what I believed In..Not because of Me But because what they could see in front of their eyes and thats a man totally brought to his knees against extortion! This case with WR and JS is beyond a joke....its not even a case its just more public because of social media spreads like wild fire.....But I tell you why its spreading more...its because The INNOCENT MAN aint hear to defend himself.So if you think this is hard try been here 30+ years ago,Fighting for a man you knew was INNOCENT and no one was listening to his living voice!!!!!!!!

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    Michael legacy won't be damage. there's alot people who loves michael and know he is innocent. i'm gonna admit that it does have some dents in it. but other then that his legacy is fine.

    i'm with everyone here that i'm tired of it too. wade and james needs to get jobs.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingofthedancefloor View Post
    Dude Darren I have known you a long time......It hurts me to see you give up so easily! You may of been too young to remember when news broke against Mike in 1993 when he arrived in Bangkok that day??? But I went to school and faced so much slander and bullying!!!!! and 12 years later I got all my peers to finally understand the MAN MICHAEL JACKSON and after watching LWMJ they was not fazed they knew he was stitched up.... After a Loooooong 5 month trial of man and complete strung up 100% innocent drawn out for the media show to dissect from every angle.To watch and hear that every day in words is totally unimaginable.But still my family and friends believed in what I believed In..Not because of Me But because what they could see in front of their eyes and thats a man totally brought to his knees against extortion! This case with WR and JS is beyond a joke....its not even a case its just more public because of social media spreads like wild fire.....But I tell you why its spreading more...its because The INNOCENT MAN aint hear to defend himself.So if you think this is hard try been here 30+ years ago,Fighting for a man you knew was INNOCENT and no one was listening to his living voice!!!!!!!!
    That's the frustrating part about all this. In my heart i know Michael is innocent but it's just so frustrating at how it always feels like an uphill battle and i guess thats what wears me down about it all.

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    it's frustrating for all of us. even more that this been going on for 30 years now.



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    Default Re: [Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

    What makes me angry most of all is the emotional manipulation of it all. I can't stand feeling manipulated and then that floods your head with doubts and so on and so forth. Especially when it comes to such a sensitive subject like child abuse, and as i victim myself i don't like being reminded of what happened and then have it attached to someone i consider a hero of mine leaves me feeling conflicted sometimes. But as I said in my heart i know Michael is innocent, just feels frustrating and tiring dealing with it all.

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    that's what the media and people wants. they want him to be guilty. he innocent. he was/is innocent.



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    Default Re: [Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

    Quote Originally Posted by Thriller_MJ View Post
    What makes me angry most of all is the emotional manipulation of it all. I can't stand feeling manipulated and then that floods your head with doubts and so on and so forth. Especially when it comes to such a sensitive subject like child abuse, and as i victim myself i don't like being reminded of what happened and then have it attached to someone i consider a hero of mine leaves me feeling conflicted sometimes. But as I said in my heart i know Michael is innocent, just feels frustrating and tiring dealing with it all.
    Just remember, false claims on someone is abuse as well. image what MJ went through even help caused his death. Also, many people love MJ and some fans has to stop allowing the few people who bother MJ make you think everyone is doing it which is not true. MJ is a money maker for these folks but we now have social media and we can now tear into these folks for their lies. Wade and james and Dan are going to do whatever to try to get money. It wont work. We are even more bettet today than last year. Stop fretting and stay in prayer. It is working in MJ's favor again.

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