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    April 29, 2013 Opening Statements

    Plaintiffs (Jackson) Opening statements



    Jackson attorney Panish starts the opening statements by introducing Katherine Jackson and her kids Randy and Rebbie.

    A video from “This is it” rehearsal is played and Panish says “This is it” would be Michael’s biggest and most successful tour. Panish states however the promise turned to tragedy and on June 25th Michael died from Propofol overdose.

    Panish: “His stirring voice, his musical genius, his creativity and his generosity, and his huge heart was extinguished forever.

    Panish continues to mention Michael not only was a singer but he was a songwriter, worked on composition and music, was a dancer, music producer, actor, choreographer and how he changed music videos. Panish also mentions Michael’s humanitarian side and how much he gave to charities. Panish says beside that and most importantly Michael was a devoted son and a great father.


    Panish: “and why we're here is to assess the loss that his mother and these children suffered. And his mother, you will hear, was financially dependent on Michael, as were his children

    Panis states that in this trial the jury will hear the whole story of what happened in the death of Michael Jackson. Panish mentions AEG and Murray are a part of this and the evidence will show that AEG had a legal responsibility to use reasonable care when hiring, retaining or supervising anyone that worked for them or any independent contractor such as Murray.

    Panish says this is like a puzzle where pieces – the evidence- will come in bits and pieces from the witnesses and will fit together to show the finished product. Panish points out there are really 3 parts and each played a role in Michael Jackson’s death: Michael Jackson, Conrad Murray and AEG. Panish says he wants to examine each one.

    Michael Jackson

    Panish: “Michael had a problem. Michael became dependent at times on prescription medication and Demerol, pain medication for pain, suffering, anxiety, and things that he had.

    Panish: “It became more -- more prevalent when he was going through a rigorous schedule, such as concerts, preparing for concerts

    Panish states an addiction expert will talk about how Demerol and prescription medicine could become addictive and dependency is a disease.

    Panish: “What you're going to hear is that Michael led his life, whether he was taking these prescription medications or not, and he functioned, and he was a good father and a good son, and he was able to carry out his daily activities, but he had an issue. And you're not going to ever hear us say that he didn't.

    Panish tells the jury that they will see that AEG will try to put the whole blame on Michael but without the involvement of AEG none of this would have ever occurred.

    Panish starts explaining Michael’s dependency issues. He mentions Michael suffered burns, he went through surgeries and he suffered migraines / headaches due to the burn injury. Panish mentions Michael received money for this accident and he gave the money to a burn center. Panish mentions Michael’s injuries throughout his career (sore back, aches, pains, anxiety) also contributed to his dependency on pain medications. Panish states Michael’s pain threshold was low. Panish says that Michael had Vitiligo and he had to go through a lot of procedures for that and he was given Demerol. Panish shows a video of Michael dancing and say over time Michael suffered some wear and tear. Panish shows the video of 1999 bridge collapse in Munich.

    Panish states Michael received Demerol – a pain medication- over the years from many doctors. Panish says AEG will demonstrate Michael going to many doctors and using prescription medicine. Panish says this is what happens when a person has dependency , they want to get the medication for their dependency and they won’t be disputing that.

    Panish: “the evidence is going to show, though, as a result of the pain, the stress, and the Demerol, Michael had insomnia, inability to sleep

    Panish talks about how it is to be not able to sleep. He says Dr. Metzger will testify that perfectionism caused stress and Michael had a profound sleep disorder but he never got a complete treatment for the sleep disorder and he relied on other things and eventually Propofol.

    Panish talks about Propofol, how it is used for sedation in a medical setting, given by an anesthesiologist and how it’s not real sleep. Panish says Michael received Propofol during surgeries and oral surgeries and Michael believed that it was the same as sleep.

    Panish: “Michael over the years when he had procedures, felt good with this Propofol; and he had asked several physicians to give him Propofol at home. But nobody would give it to him until Dr. Murray came on the scene.”

    Panish says Michael had a cycle: had pain, taken Demerol, gets insomnia, he takes Propofol.

    Panish says Michael’s family and people that knew him believed Michael had a problem with prescription medication. Panish says AEG is the only one that is going to say they heard nothing about it. Panish says Michael’s family would approach him but he would deny his issues. Panish says Michael did not want to admit to his problem. He says Michael tried rehab several times and he tried it again after Blanket was born but it didn’t work as it was a strong addiction.

    Panish says the one had the chance to prevent it was AEG but they enabled it. Panish says Michael paid the ultimate price, he died.

    Conrad Murray

    Conrad Murray is the next piece of puzzle. Murray had a problem too, he was in great financial straits; his house was being foreclosed, he had debt, he owed back child support.

    In January 2006 when Michael’s children got sick, a security guard recommended Murray. Murray came to the house, treated them for colds. Panish says Murray treated Michael a total of 7 times between 2006 and 2008. Panish says AEG will say that Murray was Michael’s long time personal physician but Panish says that Murray only treated Michael for minor stuff and a total of 7 times – the last 2 times were about insomnia. The last visit was in November 2008.

    Panish says Michael had many other physicians and AEG will argue that Michael was shopping around for doctors. Panish says Michael’s 3 long time physicians were Dr. Metzger, Dr. Klein and Dr. Van Valin. Panish says these were the long time physicians of Michael and not Murray.

    Panish says Murray was a big fan of Michael’s, he was enamored with Michael and this is not a good thing if you have someone with a dependency problem.

    Panish says they won’t be disputing that Michael suggested Murray to AEG and asked them to hire him. He mentions how Murray initially asked for $5 Million, how AEG thought it was too much and eventually agreed to $150,000 a month. Panish says that there’s evidence that shows Murray was hired by AEG and there was an oral contract. Panish mentions there are many types of contracts and AEG will maintain the position that they never hired Murray. He says Murray started to stockpile Propofol in April, continued to buy it in May and Murray eventually started Propofol regime at home. Panish shows the jury a picture of Propofol and says that Michael was given Propofol for 6 weeks. Panish states it is undisputed that it’s not proper to do what Murray did and mentions Murray was found guilty and sentenced to 4 years in prison.

    AEG

    Panish talks about the police investigation after Michael’s death, how the police came to Carolwood and how they impounded Murray’s car. Panish says police has found three things: a business card of Randy Phillips, an envelope and a contract between Murray and AEG.

    Panish states AEG also had a problem, they weren’t number 1 in the concert business but they wanted to be. Panish says Live Nation was number 1 and AEG was competitive in the ruthless business of concert promotion. Panish says AEG had a plan to overtake Live Nation and that’s according to Phillips was “We're going to get the biggest artist in the world in the biggest Arena in the best city”.

    Panish says this was according to AEG was London, O2 Arena and Michael Jackson. Panish says they aren’t complaining about trying to get the best artist (MJ) to help their company. Panish says the problem with this plan was there were no rules, it didn’t matter to AEG what it took, they didn’t care who got lost in the wash, and they were going to get it done.

    Panish states they were able to get a lot of internal emails of AEG. One of the emails says “2009 is the year to make money”. Panish talks about the contract between Michael and AEG.

    Panish: “part of the terms of the contract were that AEG was going to pay off debts that Michael had. And they were going to pay this business lawsuit; they were going to give him a $2 million advance, $200,000 in cash; they were going to pay the production costs; they were going to pay a payroll; they were going to help him get a home in Las Vegas; they were going to put a million into movie deals, because they have a movie company they're affiliated with; and they were going to get 10 percent of the profits, Michael was going to get 90 percent

    Panish says AEG advanced the money and if there’s money at the end they would get 10% but there was no risk for AEG as all the advances were secured by Michael’s assets. Panish says if for some reason Michael doesn’t perform AEG gets their money back but they can’t make the profit hundreds of millions they wanted to make.

    Panish says AEG will say Michael was in serious debt of around $300 - $400 Million. Panish says Michael had debts and he had assets excess of his debts and Michael was in the process of getting everything worked out. Panish says Tom Barrack of Colony Capital was helping Michael and Michael was following his advice. Panish says Barrack called Anschutz and Anschutz and Leiweke came to meet with Michael in Vegas.

    Panish reads several statements from Phillips that says Michael would dance his ass off and how he’ll throw him over his shoulder and carry to stage. Panish says this is the mindset of these concert promoters. Panish talks about Randy Phillips and Paul Gongaware, who they are and what they do at AEG. He also lists several people who were involved with AEG or “This is it” concerts.

    Panish talks about the contract of AEG as the producer of the “This is it”. Panish says the contract said AEG’s duties included “engaging services of third- party vendors” and they got 5% fee for all the producer services they provided. Panish says Michael’s obligations were to go to rehearsals and perform.

    Panish says AEG had to do the hiring, supervising personnel & independent contractors from the people that did the lights to the tour doctor and ensure that they did their jobs. The reason for this is they want the artist to be able to focus to perform and not have to deal with the lights and so on. In exchange for doing this they got a percentage from the profit. Panish says AEG has an obligation for reasonable care when hiring, supervising and retaining.

    Panish talks about what AEG knows. He says they knew Michael relied on doctors in the past tours for opiates to get him through pain to perform. He says Gongaware was in the Dangerous tour. Ortega was the director. Panish says Gongaware learned Michael was Demerol- dependent at that time from Dr. Finkelstein. Finkelstein said Michael needed intervention and detox in November 1993. Panish says Gongaware tried to deny this knowledge during his deposition.

    Panish says in 1995 Michael was preparing a special for HBO and he collapsed. He says Ortega was there and knew all about it. Panish says Dr. Neil Ratner was providing Michael prescription medications throughout the tour. He says Ratner was helping Michael to get through aches and pain so that he can do the next show and the next show.

    Panish says there’s an email by Phillips in which he says “this reporter did a lot of research. MJ. has a problem with his lower back and he's had problems with alcohol and painkillers for years” but they would say they they didn’t know it. Panish says Michael’s dependency to painkillers was widely publicized and AEG knew about it before they entered into a contract with Michael. Panish says there were also problems from the beginning. He reads email from Phillips before the press conference about Michael not speaking to Tohme for a week and might not get on the plane for announcement and how concerned he is that Michael could breach their agreement. He reads Gongaware’s reply that calls Michael “Mikey” and lazy. He says "Mikey" was a derogatory word. Gongaware writes “to back of now would be a disaster for us”. Panish says AEG was worried about AEG and not Michael. Panish also mentions the press conference event and the emails between AEG people about Michael being drunk. Panish also mentions public statement and emails about ticket sales. He says that AEG cared about money and not Michael.

    Panish says there’s no question that Michael requested a doctor for the tour but he says when somebody requesting a doctor has a known dependency to Opiates that should raise a red flag. He says also Murray asking for $5 Million should have been a red flag. Panish says even AEG’s expert agrees that $5 Million is outrageous. He says AEG contacted Dr. Finkelstein and says he’s the right doctor as they need an addiction specialist or a pain management person – not a cardiologist. Finkelstein asks for $40,000 a month and says he will only take the position if Michael was clean. Panish says AEG did not hire Finkelstein. Panish also says AEG will argue that Michael wanted Murray but there were other people that Michael wanted and AEG did not hire. Panish says AEG knew Michael needed someone to help him and they ignored the obvious red flags and hired Murray.

    Panish talks about what needs to be done to investigate these red flags. He says they can do background checks but AEG will say they never do background checks on independent contractors. Panish says they had an obligation to do background checks. Talks about release and authorization forms and checking licensing, disciplinary actions and so on.

    Panish talks about what AEG would have found out if they got Murray sign the release and authorization forms. He says they would find out that Murray is an internist and cardiologist and he wasn’t specialized in addiction or pain management. They would find out that Murray’s privileges were suspended in 2008 and they would find out that Murray was financially desperate.

    Panish: “his financial condition made him susceptible to pressure and a conflict of interest between the patient's needs and AEG's needs.

    Panish says Murray was placed in a severe conflict by AEG, if Murray said Michael can’t go or if he said “I can’t give you these drugs”, his contract is over and he doesn’t get paid. Panish says this was the conflict. He says AEG falsely vouched for Murray when Phillips said “we've checked him out. He’s the best doctor”. He says Phillips lied and AEG shut the people down who were trying to help Michael.

    Panish reads an email by Ortega sent 11 days before Michael’s death. Ortega writes about Michael’s doctor not allowing him to attend rehearsals and asks AEG to stay on top of MJ’s health situation. Gongaware replies saying they discussed this with Frank and asked for a face to face meeting with the doctor. This is the email in which Gongaware says “we want to remind him, the doctor, that it's AEG, not MJ., who is paying his salary”

    Panish asks the jurors if “we want him, the doctor, to understand what's expected of him.” Sound like a company that wants to make sure everything is done for the artist, does it sound like if they didn’t hire the doctor and if they got nothing to do with the doctor.

    Ortega sends another email to Gongaware on June 15.

    Ortega email “MJ did not have a good Friday, and he didn't show on Saturday. He requires more attention and management. As I mentioned, I truly believe he needs nourishment, guidance and physical therapy and massage for his fatigued muscles and Injuries. He's not in great physical shape. I believe he's hurting. We need a healthy, rested and ready MJ at staples and the forum."

    Panish says Alif Sankey will testify on June 19th, she saw deterioration in Michael and expressed her concerns to Ortega. She didn’t understand why no one helped Michael. On June 19 Houghdahl sends an email to Phillips

    Houghdahl: “I'm not being a drama queen here...Kenny, Mr. Ortega asked me to notify you both. MJ was sent home without stepping foot on stage. He was a basket case, and Kenny was concerned he would embarrass himself on stage, or, worse yet, get hurt. The doubt is persuasive."

    Panish says Phillips immediately goes to his boss Leiweke and says “we have a real problem here”.

    Houghdahl: “but Kenny said he was shaking and couldn't hold his knife and fork. Kenny had to cut his food for him before he could eat, and then he had to use his fingers.

    Phillips reply email: “Tim, Mr. Leiweke, the CEO and I are going to see him tomorrow; however, I'm not sure what the problem is. Chemical or Psychological?”"

    Gongaware: “take the doctor with you. Why wasn't he there last night?" Why wasn't his doctor there like he's supposed to be? "What's going on?"”

    Gongaware: “he is not a psychiatrist. I'm not sure how effective he can be at this point. Obviously getting him there is not the issue. It's much deeper."”

    Ortega: “my concern now is that we've brought the doctor into the fold and have played the tough love now or never card; that the artist may be unable to rise to the occasion due to emotional stuff. He appeared quite weak and fatigued this evening. He had a terrible case of chills, trembling, rambling, obsessing. Everything he says, he should be psychologically evaluated. I was told by the choreographer that during the custom fitting with the designer tonight, they noticed he lost more weight. As far as I can tell, there is no one taking responsibility for caring for him on a daily basis. Where was his assistant last night? Tonight I was feeding him, wrapping him in blankets, massaging his feet to calm him, and calling the doctor. He's frightened it's all going to go away. "”

    Ortega: “I honestly don't think he's ready for this based on his continual physical weakening and deepening emotional distress -- or state. It's reminiscent of what Karen Bush Travis and I remembered just before he fainted, causing the HBO concert to cancel. I think the very best thing that we can do is to get a top psychiatrist to evaluate him ASAP. I believe we need professional guidance in this matter.

    Phillips: “it's critical that neither you, me or anyone around the show become amateur psychiatrists or physicians. I had a lengthy conversation with Dr. Murray, and I'm gaining immense respect for (sic) as I get to deal with him more. This doctor is extremely successful. We check everyone out, and he does not need this gig, so he's totally unbiased and ethical.

    Panish says Gongaware said in his deposition that they did not check anyone out. Panish says Phillips lied to Ortega about Murray to keep the show to go on. Panish says AEG in their emails start to write that Ortega is starting to concern them, Panish says this is because Ortega is raising concerns about Michael’s health. Panish criticizes that AEG executives in their emails about Michael also talk about their plans for that night. Panish says they aren’t thinking about what to do about Michael , they are thinking about their social calendar.

    Panish says Ortega will say that he had concerns about Murray and couldn’t understand why Michael would not show up to rehearsals when he had a doctor living with him. Ortega relied his concerns to Phillips but Phillips lied to him.

    Panish says the evidence will show that AEG created a conflict between Murray and Michael. They talked directly with Murray, insisted on his performance regardless of the risk and they forced Murray do things which he might not otherwise do due to his severe financial pressure. Panish says AEG created this 3 part conflict. Murray is the doctor and supposed to take care of Michael, but if Michael doesn’t come to rehearsal and there’s no concert Murray does not get the $150,000. He gets foreclosed, all the debts. Panish says Murray made the wrong decision but AEG was the one that put him in that position.

    Panish reads 2 emails from Gongaware and Phillips about talking to Michael’s doctor and asks if this is Michael’s personal doctor why are they meeting with him, why are they getting involved in Michael’s health care.

    Phillips: “guys, we had a very productive, solid meeting with Kenny, Dr. Murray, MJ and myself. The doctor was fantastic. I think Kenny's hysteria will be in check while MJ is alert and attentive. We've all agreed on a schedule that works with Kenny and MJ. I promised Kenny I would office out staples next week during rehearsal. Let's pray MJ engages and also starts to work out and eat. Anyway, things aren't as bleak as Kenny says. "

    Panish says Kai Chase will testify that the meeting was hostile, a vase got broken and Michael ended up leaving. Meeting continued for hours, Murray came to the kitchen and said “I can’t handle this” and Murray was very upset.

    Panish mentions an email sent to insurance broker that says Randy Phillips and Murray is responsible for Michael’s rehearsal and attendance schedule. He says AEG has $17.5 Million cancellation insurance and is trying to get more at that time.

    Panish reads an email of Phillips dated two months after Michael’s death and while they are editing the “This is it” movie. Phillips says “make sure we take out the shots of MJ in that red leather jacket at the sound stage where the mini movies were being filmed. He looks way too thin,"

    Panish says what AEG should have done is to refuse to engage and hire a doctor for Michael and have Michael get his own physician to avoid conflict. Panish says they should have gotten someone that is addiction or pain management specialist and susceptible to financial pressure. Panish says although there were red flags AEG kept putting pressure on both Michael and Murray. Panish says they never removed Murray.

    Panish says Michael could have been easily treated with Suboxone which gets people off opiates / Demerol. Panish says there’s also treatment for insomnia. Panish says they could have done what is done in Dangerous tour, put Michael in rehab and detox and postpone the tour. (AEG objects to the cancellation mention court sustains)

    Panish starts talking about damages. Panish says AEG will argue that Michael would not make any more money and everything Jacksons side say is speculative despite that they invested in Michael. Panish says Michael would do these shows, do a world tour and go to Vegas, live there and do a show.

    Panish mentions there are economic and non economic damages. He talks about Katherine, Michael’s siblings, living at Gary, performing and so on. He reads a letter Michael wrote to Katherine. Talks about Michael’s children, shows pictures and plays “You are my life”, plays a video of Michael giving his kids a dog at Christmas.

    Panish says they are showing this evidence because they need to prove their loss. He says they aren’t looking for sympathy, they are looking for truth and justice, they want AEG to be held responsible and jury to determine what is fair and just.

    Panish talks about economic damages. Panish says AEG’s claim that they want $40 billion is not true. He says they made an estimate earlier in the case and it was $10 Billion for special damages. Panish says they have experts that calculated Michael’s loss of income to be $1.5 Billion and the jury will decide what the non-economic damages are. Panish says AEG will say the damages are zero.

    Panish says AEG will say they never hired Murray and there was no signed contract. He says that Murray entered into oral contract with AEG. He says AEG stiffed Murray and never paid him. Panish says Prince saw that Michael gave Murray $100 bills because he was there working and AEG did not pay him. Panish says AEG will say they don’t pay anyone without a signed contract but that’s not true. He says they paid Ortega and Payne and they didn’t have written contracts.

    Panish goes over Murray’s emails to AEG executives talking about the terms of the contract. He says the CPR machine should have been a red flag. Panish plays an interview of Phillips saying they hired Murray and say now AEG will say that doesn’t really mean what he said. He says AEG created a technical legal defense. Panish mentions Murray’s police interview talking about his employment. Panish says AEG had Murray’s payment put in the tour budget but now they say they never hired him. He goes over the draft of contract, starts at May 1st, the equipment requested, provide services the producer wants, can be fired for failure to provide services or immediately if the concerts cancelled or postponed. Panish calls this the conflict of interest. Panish says Murray signed and sent the contract one day before Michael died.

    Panish says after Michael died on July 17, AEG tried to get the $300,000 they owe to Murray from MJ Estate. Panish says they are trying to get the money for someone they say never hired.

    Panish states AEG will say Michael knew all the risks of Propofol and it’s his fault that he died. Panish says Michael was told it was okay if a doctor gave it to him and he thought it was safe. Panish says there are 3 parts to this story and all of them are involved and AEG had the power to prevent this from happening.

    Panish talks about it’s unethical to blame Michael and Michael never used any drugs that weren’t prescribed by a physician. Panish says the issue is what AEG did and what they could have done to prevent it. Panish says under the law AEG is the ones to act reasonably in hiring, supervising and retaining.

    Panish: “what did AEG do, and what could they have done to prevent this? We all know Dr. Murray paid his price, Michael paid the ultimate price in losing his life, but AEG is the one that has not accepted any responsibility.

    Panish says they are looking for two things in this case. One is truth, they want the truth come out, what really happened, what is AEG’s involvement in that. Two is justice which is what has been lost by Michael’s mother and children financially and what they lost emotionally.

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    Defendants (AEG) Opening Statements



    AEG attorney Putnam starts his opening statements by introducing other AEG lawyers. He mentions AEG, AEG Live, Phillips, Gongaware, Trell to the jury.

    Putnam reminds the jury what he said during voir dire and look to the actual evidence and not the argument that is made. Putnam mentions he’s going to go through what he thinks the evidence will be and he’s going to show the jury the actual evidence.

    Putnam says this case is about choices we make and with choices we make there’s a personal responsibility. He says this is also a case about what is public and what is private, what we show to the world and what we make sure the world never sees.

    Putnam says the evidence will show that what is public and what is private were two very different words. He says the public Michael Jackson was very different that the private Michael Jackson. He says Michael erected a wall between himself and his family, his staff and people he worked with. Putnam mentions Michael was a child when he started his career and he had 40 years that he learned the cost of having things exposed to public and he knew very well how to ensure things did not come out in the public.

    Putnam says all of this changed in June 25, 2009. He says Jackson said a lot of things in their opening statements about Defendants AEG going to show some ugly stuff and Putnam say it is true. He explains that AEG, Phillips and Gongaware were sued and as a result they need to find out what happened. Putnam says the jury will see it over the next months. He says it’s not a pretty picture and AEG will not rush into this courtroom to show it to the jury but they have to defend themselves.

    Putnam talks about Michael’s death and calls it tragic and a big event. He compares it to Princess Diana dying, Kennedy and Martin Luther King being assassinated, Space shuttle blowing up. He says it was a big public event that people remember where they were, how they found out and what happened. He says the reason was because Michael was a huge public figure, extremely talented and lived in front of us all our lives.

    Putnam says AEG thinks Michael’s death was tragic. He says Michael was the greatest entertainer, had 3 small children and a large extended family. He says it was tragic ending and Michael would live on forever. He talks about huge public mourning.

    Putnam says it took months to learn how Michael died, first it was said he had a heart attack. Months later it turned out to be drugs but it wasn’t a drug people heard about before. He says Michael did not die of heroin or any painkillers or any of the other drugs associated with celebrity overdoses. He says Michael died of an overdose of Propofol. Putnam says the world – unless they were a medical professional- did not heard about Propofol before because it’s as anesthetic, given by trained people, in a hospital setting and generally during surgery. He says none of these were the case. Michael wasn’t in a hospital, wasn’t getting a surgery, he wasn’t with an anesthesiologist. Putnam says “as with Mr. Jackson’s life, Mr. Jackson’s death was anything but typical”.

    He says because of these findings Michael’s death was reclassified as homicide and 2 years later Michael’s personal physician Murray was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter. Putnam says Michael died behind locked doors in the privacy of his own bedroom in his home with security out front.

    Putnam says before Murray was convicted Katherine Jackson sued AEG on behalf of herself and Michael’s kids. Putnam says Michael’s private world gradually came to light because of discovery in this lawsuit. Putnam says even though the world did not know about Propofol, Michael certainly did. He says that evidence will show that Michael had been using Propofol for years. Putnam says Jackson lawyers said it never happened before Murray was there and after AEG asked to pay. Putnam says evidence will show the truth that Michael abused Propofol for years and almost no one knew except the doctors that gave him the drug and the few other doctors that Michael asked for the drug and refused to give it to Michael.

    Putnam says one of the doctors explained Michael that it was incredibly dangerous drug, it should be only given in a hospital setting by an anesthesiologist and it could kill him. Putnam says only few doctors – that who gave and who refused to give- knew about Michael’s Propofol abuse and as they are medical professionals and they are bound by privacy they never told anyone, they can’t. Putnam says neither AEG nor the public knew about Michael’s decade long Propofol abuse.

    Putnam says AEG was an outsider as everyone else, they didn’t know what happened between Michael and his doctors, and they didn’t make Michael’s medical decisions. Putnam says evidence will show that there’s no way that they could have known. He says it’s because of nature of Propofol. He says it’s not a drug that you can look to people and say oh I think they must be on something. Putnam says the jury will hear people describe Propofol as a light switch, something you turn on and off. He says unless you see it happening, you can’t see someone later in the day and say they must have had Propofol earlier. Putnam says as Michael was not doing this when he was out with people, AEG had no way to see or know it.

    Putnam says AEG is the concert promoter and they weren’t with Michael 24/7 and they weren’t always at rehearsals. It was the creative team that was at rehearsals. Putnam mentions the emails Jackson attorney showed the jury earlier and says you saw all the emails going out to AEG about what happened at rehearsal, Putnam it’s because AEG wasn’t there at rehearsals. Putnam says if they watched the evidence, rather than listening to what Jacksons attorneys told them, they would see that AEG immediately responded and they went to a meeting with Michael, his doctor and Ortega.


    Putnam says Michael abused painkillers before and everyone knew about it as he announced it. He says Gongaware knew it too. He says after rehab to the world it appeared that Michael got better and he got cured. Putnam says Michael went on a world tour afterwards and there was never a reported problem of any kind. He says Gongaware, Ortega and Payne were all on that tour and all of them will say they saw no problems on that tour. Putnam says that was the public Michael Jackson. He says he continued to have problems on that tour but he didn’t show. Putnam says Michael even withdrew from his own family and even his family did not know what was going on at that time. Putnam says at various times Jacksons tried to do interventions but they failed. He says Michael was an addict and no matter how much you want to help an addict you can’t help them unless they want to help themselves. Putnam says the jury will hear Jacksons testify that Michael told them he was fine and they too thought it was true.

    Putnam: “you can't blame him for that. Michael Jackson was an addict, and when you're an addict, you convince the world, and oftentimes even yourself, that you don't have a problem

    Putnam says regardless of the life long battle with painkillers Jacksons mentioned earlier, Michael did not die of painkillers – he died because of Propofol. Murray wasn’t giving him painkillers he was giving Propofol. And no one saw any red flags about that. Putnam says no one knew about Propofol. Not Michael’s mother, children or siblings. Not any of the staff working at the house or the people working on the tour.

    Putnam: “the truth is, Mr. Jackson fooled everybody. He kept those who might have been able to help him at a distance, and he made sure that no one, nobody, knew his deepest, darkest secret.


    Putnam says even if someone thought there was a problem with painkillers, nothing about it would make you look and see Propofol was the problem.

    Putnam says to the jury it is easy to look to things in retrospect but asks the jury to look to what people actually saw, knew and understood at the time – before June 25, 2009. Putnam says they will bring people to testify about what they actually saw and experienced from Michael’s mother, kids to people who worked for & with him. Putnam says this will show what people were actually seeing at that time, what they knew.


    Putnam shows a rehearsal video from June 23rd which is 4 day after the events that worried Ortega (June 19) and 2 days before Michael’s death. He asks the jury to focus on Michael. He says this is what AEG saw. They heard problems of June 19, they wanted to make sure Michael was okay and went to the rehearsal and saw this. Putnam says there were things happening that people did not see and only Michael and his doctor knew. And by then it was too late.

    Putnam takes the jury back to 2000s to help them understand what has happening in 2009. He says the early 2000s wasn’t a good time for Michael. He says Michael was accused of child molestation. Putnam twice makes a note that Michael was acquitted but says it didn’t make things easier. He says it was a horrible thing to happen in Michael’s life, talks about media frenzy. Putnam says after his acquittal Michael left the country, went to Middle East and stepped out of public eye.

    Putnam says eventually Michael came back to USA with his kids and in 2007 he approached AEG about the idea of possibly touring. Putnam says evidence will show that Michael approached to AEG. Putnam says artists decide which concert promoter they would work with.

    Putnam: “someone like Michael Jackson doesn't work for AEG. live; AEG. live is working for Michael Jackson.

    Putnam says the talks in 2007 didn’t end in anything because Michael wasn’t ready. He says in 2008 AEG was approached again and this time Michael appeared ready. He says Michael hadn’t toured over a decade and hadn’t released new music for some time. He says however Michael’s lavish lifestyle continued and he was a huge spender. He says public Michael Jackson was loaded and was spending millions on a lavish lifestyle. Putnam says the private Michael Jackson was like the most Americans, spending more than he’s making. He says that he did this by taking loans and by 2008 he was tapped out and he couldn’t take any more loans against his assets.

    Putnam shows a slide that says Michael’s debt was $232.2 Million in 2001 and by the time of his death from 2007 to 2009 he was about $400 Million in debt. He says AEG knew Michael had financial difficulties but they didn’t know it was $400 Million. Putnam says Michael had debt and he knew he had to do something to bring in money. He says Michael decided to do what he does best – perform. He says Michael’s kids have not seen him perform so publicly this was the reason he told people why he was coming back. Putnam says the private reason Michael was performing because he needed the money.

    Putnam says AEG is not the only company Michael approached. He says he approached other companies and Michael’s manager will testify to that. He mentions Dr. Tohme was the manager of Michael and not a doctor. Putnam says on the emails when someone says “bring the doctor” they are talking about Dr. Tohme. He also mentions Frank Dileo as Michael’s manager. Putnam also explains Michael changed managers, lawyers, assistants quite often.

    Putnam starts talking about AEG Live, he says they aren’t a startup that only has one artist. He says they are doing amazing stuff such as right now they are doing Rolling Stones, Justin Bieber tour and they did Beyonce and Britney Spears tours. He says AEG also does residencies such as Celine Dion and Shania Twain. AEG also does festivals such as Stagecoach for country western music and Coachella.

    Putnam: “this is a company that deals with really big artists. Not to say Michael Jackson was not in this constellation, of course he was, but this was not a make-it-or-break-it deal for AEG live.

    Putnam says even though every tour and residency is different, AEG is very productive. They advance the costs to an artist, artists later pay them back these advances and then they split the profits in some way. Putnam mentions what Jackson lawyers said regardless there’s a profit or not, they get paid back for the advances.

    Putnam talks about the artists side, how they put together a show, how they decide who would be in the tour party, they put together the creative side. AEG helps organize and finance the show. He says Michael needed AEG to finance him the money. Putnam says AEG was excited about Michael Jackson and his comeback. He says AEG was cautiously optimistic because Michael had approached them a year earlier and he wasn’t ready then.

    Putnam tells the jury about Randy Phillips and Paul Gongaware, he calls them Yin and Yang of AEG Live. He says Phillips is the person who deals with the artist. Putnam calls him a schmoozer and he’s very good at what he does. He says he’s not going to lie Phillips uses bad language and makes bad jokes such as “I’m going to throw him over my shoulder” (Putnam mentions that Phillips is actually short) and the jury can like him or hate him. Putnam then talks about Gongaware, says he doesn’t even have an office and he’s more of a behind the scenes type of person. He says Gongaware works with the production people, creative visions and he’s on the road.

    Putnam says when Michael reached out to AEG in 2008, he reached out the Phillips and Gongaware. Putnam says Phillips had never worked with Michael but he was excited to do the shows. He says Gongaware was dying to do the shows because he worked with Michael before and he believed Michael was genius, he was smart, he was a perfectionist and he loved Michael.

    Putnam (talking about Gongaware): “he loved the idea of helping Mr. Jackson create his vision of what he could give his fans in the comeback tour. He believed Mr. Jackson only cared about getting it right and putting on a better show than his fans thought were possible. He was very excited.

    Putnam says Gongaware didn’t work with Michael for a long time. He says when Gongaware worked on Dangerous tour 20 years ago he wasn’t working for Michael Jackson and during that entire tour he never even met Michael Jackson. Putnam says Gongaware didn’t have the position he has now. He says Gongaware did the travel arrangements for the crew on that tour. That was it. Gongaware later worked on the History tour and at that tour he was promoted a little bit and he ended up working with Michael. Putnam says Jackson lawyers said Gongaware calling Michael “Mikey” was derogatory but that’s actually what Gongaware called Michael for a long time. Gongaware said on his deposition by the end of History tour he knew Michael so well and Michael asked him to come work for him”. Putnam tells that there were no problems in History tour. The only concert cancelled was when Princess Diana died. Putnam says people will testify that by all accounts History tour was a very successful tour and Gongaware worked with a clean, capable and creative genius and that’s who he expected to see in 2008. He says when Gongaware talked to Michael in 2008, he was ready, excited and invigorated.

    Putnam talks about how Michael’s people and AEG finalized the deal over fall 2008, how they decided for residency, how they choose London. He says at that time they had no idea about the demand so although they agreed to up to 31 shows they did not announce that. They announced 10 initially to see the interest and later they would have increased it to 31 if there was interest. Putnam talks about the advances AEG made to Michael, money given for his debt, lawsuits and how AEG got a place to live for Michael as a part of the agreement. He says it was Michael’s manager who picked the house – not AEG- and AEG just advanced him the money for the house. He says they signed the contract at Michael’s house with his lawyers present and there’s evidence that Michael said he read the whole contact and went through it with his lawyers. Putnam says Michael said he was incredibly excited and can’t wait to move forward. Putnam says AEG was also excited about Michael’s comeback. He says there was no requirements about rehearsals, the agreement were about shows. Putnam says creative side has nothing to do with AEG. They say an artist can rehearse every day if they want or if they don’t want to rehearse they don’t have to. He says it’s up to the artist what the show is going to be like and how they put it on.

    Putnam says Jacksons will tell that the contract was a bad deal for Michael. He goes over the agreement. He says AEG advanced funds to Michael that he would have to pay back and any profits were split 90 /10. Putnam says initially the budgeted promotion costs were $7.5 Million but these increased because when the tickets went to sale they knew there was an audience to see Michael and they can recover these costs. Production costs include the costs for the personnel. Putnam says so when Michael said he wanted to bring his doctor, AEG added a line for it to budget for it. Putnam tells the jury the salaries for Orianthi, Ortega, Payne were all being advanced by AEG and they have been selected by Michael for the tour. Putnam says it was Michael Jackson’s money they were putting in a trust for him and Michael has to pay it back. Putnam says if they are going to advance money to pay for Michael’s personal physician, they need to know how much it will be.

    Putnam talks about evidence will show for example Michael told Gongaware he wanted Travis Payne and he wanted Gongaware to try to make that happen, to be done. Putnam says it doesn’t mean it just happens because Michael said “I want him”, he says Michael had to sign off on it, the amount of money. Putnam talks about an email fron Gongaware sent to Ortega and cc’d to Frank Dileo. The email is talking about paying Ortega and Ortega is complaining it wasn’t finished yet. Gongaware writes “This is not AEG money, it’s MJ’s money”. Putnam says it takes a while to get consensus and approvals every time things change. Putnam says this is how Gongaware understood it. It was Michael’s money and even after he finds the person Michael wants he needs to get a final approval on it.

    Putnam says the contract was signed January 26th, 2009. In February 2009 Michael had to get a physical. Putnam says this is not because anyone had any concerns about Michael. He says its standard procedure to get insurance. Putnam says Jacksons will try to argue that this physical was done because AEG was worried about Michael. Putnam says that’s not the case and they will have evidence to show it that it is required for non appearance insurance. Putnam explains what the insurance is for and how the insurance pays if a date doesn’t happen due to sickness. He says the insurance is actually covering Michael Jackson and he doesn’t have to pay when there’s a non appearance.

    Putnam says the insurance broker choose Dr. Slavit – not AEG or Michael- and the jury will hear about the insurance physical. Putnam says AEG believes this was a complete physical with blood work and Dr. Slavit determined Michael was healthy, he saw no signs of drug use. Putnam says in February 2009 Michael also told Dr. Slavit that he had a long-term personal physician Conrad Murray.

    Putnam mentions Jacksons lawyer talking about Michael only seeing Murray 7 times. Putnam says seeing a physician 7 times in a 2 and half years is a fair number and qualifies for a personal physician. Putnam says there are other times Michael saw Murray that’s not on the Jackson’s list. Putnam says for example Murray gave Michael a physical several months before Dr. Slavit’s physical and it’s not listed in the 7 times. Putnam says Dr.Slavit will testify about what Michael told him about Murray. Putnam says this is important because AEG did not hear about Murray until months later. However Murray arrived to Los Angeles in Michael’s direction and was treating Michael long before AEG heard about him. Putnam says this is also important because Dr. Slavit did not tell them about Murray in February 2009 because of doctor / patient privacy. He says AEG could not know what happened , what was said between Dr. Slavit and Michael Jackson. He says the only thing AEG knew was Michael had a physical and he passed with flying colors. They learned these additional information during discovery phase of this lawsuit.

    Putnam says this is also important for jury to understand what AEG understood in 2009. In 2009 Michael was engaged, ready, interested and he had a physical and the doctor said he was healthy. Putnam says in February 2009 they started to get ready for the sale of the tickets and the announcement. He says Michael was fully engaged. He says Michael worked on the small TV spot that aired in UK. Putnam talks about the press announcement. He says it was a frantic day. He tells the jury they have to remember Michael left the world stage years before and gone through a trial. He says no one knew what the response was going to be. He says this was Michael’s first step and he was incredibly nervous. Putnam says it is understandable that Michael was extremely nervous that day. He says the jury will hear the context of what actually happened that day.

    Putnam says the sales were like wildfire and the response was incredible. He says they saw they could easily sell much more than the 10 shows they announced. Putnam says AEG went to Michael and asked if he would do more and Michael said to them he would do 50 shows. He says Michael told them he wanted to be in the Guinness World Records and told them to have Guinness at the 50th show .

    Putnam says the jury will hear testimony that Michael was a clinch performer and there was a lot of drama before a performance happened. Would he get up on the stage? Putnam says Gongaware and other people will testify to that drama, buildup, attention, excitement. He says however when Michael got on the stage, he performed.

    He says after the ticket sales began and the shows increased to 50, Michael starts working immediately. Michael holds strategic planning sessions, production special effects and so on. He went to a movie studio, worked on the special effects. He also started to put his tour team together. He asked for Ortega, Payne and so on. Putnam says Michael worked on the website for the show. Ortega came in as the co-creative director and they came up with a reasonable schedule for Michael to rehearse. Payne came back and started to work with Michael. They worked on the old numbers, Payne says those were old hat for Michael and he got them back. They started working on new moves for the concert. Putnam talks again about Michael choosing his own people and getting Karen Faye despite the fact someone said I’m not sure if you want to have her.

    Putnam says this was what was going on at January, February and March of 2009. Michael was fully engaged. He says it is important for the jury to put everything together because there will be only 2 bad days. He says AEG went to Michael to make sure everything was all right. He says Michael was active, he was doing well at rehearsals, he was working on mini movies. The nerves, jitters Phillips have seen during the announcement were gone. Early May or late April Michael would tell AEG that he wanted to bring his personal physician to tour for him and his kids. This is the first time AEG heard about Murray. Gongaware was told by Michael that Murray was going to join them and his job was to find out how much it will cost. Putnam says according to the agreement Michael was not required to say “Hi. Can I do this?”, Michael said “Hi. I’m doing this, go figure out how much it costs”.

    Putnam says Gongaware did not question Michael’s request, did not tell him no you can’t have your doctor. He says Gongaware pushed back and said why? Why are you bringing your doctor? We are going to London. You don’t need to bring your doctor. This is not like a tour where getting medical care might be a little difficult. This is London. They have great doctors.

    Putnam: “Mr. Jackson said, yeah, i do. I'm bringing the family doctor with me. I'm bringing the man who i choose, who has been caring for me for years, not somebody else.”

    Putnam mentions how Jackson lawyers mentioned AEG should have known better. Putnam says having a doctor on tour wasn’t a red flag. There were doctors on previous tours and it made sense as Michael was a 50 year old man and was bringing his children with him for a year in London. Putnam says despite Gongaware pushing back, Michael was having none of it and wanted his doctor. Gongaware said okay and he went and talked to Murray. Gongaware found out in that talk Murray had 4 practices , 4 successful practices that he would shut down. Murray said it would cost a lot to shut down these practices and asked for $5 Million. Gongaware said no a chance, not going to happen and ended the call. Putnam says the reason was it was Michael Jackson’s money and he wouldn’t pay $5 Million for this.

    Putnam says Gongaware then talked to Phillips saying that Michael wanted to bring a doctor to London and it’s crazy. Phillips went and talked to Michael and said he doesn’t need a doctor, some of the best doctors are in London. Putnam says Michael repeated that it was his choice who he wanted and he wanted his doctor. Putnam says the jury will hear colorful language about Michael being the machine in the center of the show and the machine needs to be taken care of and he wanted his doctor there.

    Michael instructed Gongaware to offer $150,000 a month so Gongaware made another call to Murray. Gongaware offered Murray the money and Murray started to say no. Gongaware interrupted him and said this amount came directly from Michael. Putnam says $150,000 a month was what Michael willing to pay for Murray. Putnam says this was followed by a series of conversations among attorneys and people talking about terms and what should be and should not be in the contract. He talks about the June 15, June 18 and June 24th draft agreements.

    Putnam says he doesn’t understand what finding the contract and Phillips business card in his car proved. He says that only shows that Murray signed the June 24th draft. Putnam tells the jury they need to look to the whole agreement and says it starts with “at Artist’s request”. He says this is how it happened. It wasn’t something AEG mandated, it was something Michael wanted. He says the draft says Murray “acts as Michael’s general practitioner”. Putnam says the contract doesn’t say he will be, it says he is. The draft says Murray was already working for Michael. Putnam shows the jury the part about the “artist consent”. Putnam says this is the finalizing part he talked about before. He says before it could happen Michael had to finalize it expressly and in writing. Putnam reads the part that say “on behalf and at the expense of undersigned”. He says the undersigned is Michael Jackson. He says Michael or AEG did not sign it.

    Putnam says no one has any idea if Michael would approve it and take Murray on tour. Putnam says it’s not important and what jury sees is that there’s no contract and it was at Michael’s expense not AEG’s. Putnam says AEG budgeted for Murray but they never paid him as Michael did not do the final approval. Putnam says the evidence will show that any payments to Conrad Murray came from Michael.

    Putnam talks about Murray’s June 27, 2009 interview with the police to explain his understanding of the agreement. Putnam says this is Murray’s understanding of who he worked for. Putnam says AEG is not denying that they would have paid Murray, they were advancing it and Michael was responsible for it.

    Putnam mentions Gongaware’s emails and he gets thousands of emails and he doesn’t remember them all. Putnam points out Gongaware writing “we’ve asked to speak with Mr. Jackson’s doctor” and asks the jury if Murray was working for AEG would they have to ask to see him. Putnam asks the jury to look the language and it’s not the language for someone who is working for AEG.

    Putnam asks the jury to pay attention to the emails and what they are writing in them. They talk about nourishment, massages and physical therapy. He says no one is mentioning problems with drugs or Propofol. He says none of the things mentioned in the emails are red flags. Putnam then starts talking about “trouble at the front” emails and Jackson attorneys painted them like AEG did nothing. He says AEG did not sit there and do nothing. Putnam says AEG wasn’t at the rehearsals so they didn’t see these. He says the jury saw Phillips and Gongaware responding “where was his doctor?”. Putnam says they are asking what is going on. Putnam asks the jury to note that no one is talking about drugs and they are thinking there might be a psychological problem like is he afraid. Putnam says AEG arranges a meeting the next day with Michael to make sure that he’s okay.

    Putnam says Murray is also at the meeting and points out no one think there’s a problem with the doctor. He reminds the jury that this was 2009 and no one knew what was Murray doing then. Putnam says Michael, Murray, Ortega and Phillips was at this meeting to assess what happened. They confront Michael and ask “ are you okay, is everything all right”. Putnam says the testimony will show that Michael did not tell them I can’t do this, I need a delay. He says the testimony will show that Michael looked great and seemed okay. Putnam says Murray tells in that meeting “you are overreacting. Stop being amateur psychiatrists. I'm the doctor here. You guys go and be concert promoters. You be a concert director. I'll be the doctor. It's okay.”

    Putnam says AEG had no reason to not to believe Murray, there was nothing to show that Murray wasn’t telling them the truth. He says AEG told Michael to take the next couple of days off and rest. They didn’t rehearse for several day. June 23rd Michael comes back to rehearse and he’s spectacular. Putnam says AEG was there to watch to make sure that Michael was okay. He says this idea that AEG did not care is not true. He says they went to Michael’s house to make sure he’s okay, they talked to his doctor to make sure he’s okay and they went to the rehearsal to watch him and make sure he’s okay. Putnam says everyone will tell the jury that he was better than okay. It was the best they have seen him. They will say the same thing about June 24th as well. Putnam plays a rehearsal clip to the jury.

    He says on June 24th Phillips walked Michael to his car and Michael thanked him and said you got me here, now I’m ready and I can take it from here. Putnam says less than 24 hours later Michael was dead.

    Putnam states that they did not see this coming. They had no idea. Putnam starts talking about what we learned after June 25th. He says in 1993 Michael announced the world he had a problem with painkillers and went to rehab. He says publicly people thought the rehab worked. He says that Michael was secretive about his painkiller addiction. Michael was getting drugs from doctors. Putnam says there was usually a plausible reason for drug use. For instance Michael would have a minor cosmetic procedure but would get the same painkiller he would get for surgery. Outsiders will think he got the painkillers because he was having a procedure. Second doctors were bound by doctor – patient confidentiality. Even when they were concerned that Michael was using too much painkillers, they couldn’t tell anybody. The most they can do is to refuse to treat Michael further and Michael always found someone else.

    Putnam says Michael was back and forth on and off painkillers and he was very secretive about it. He says Michael did not even tell his doctors about the procedures he was receiving from other doctors. Putnam shows a chart of the doctors they were able to identify and he says they believe there were many other doctors. Putnam says Dr. Metzger will testify that he was concerned that Michael had different doctors in different places and Michael wouldn’t tell him about these other doctors and what they were giving him. Putnam says Dr. Van Valin in 2001 gave Michael a Demerol shot for back pain and noticed a spot of blood on Michael’s shirt. He suspected Michael had another shot of Demerol the same day. He said to Michael he can’t double up and it could kill him. Dr. Van Valin stopped treating Michael shortly after this event. Putnam says Dr. Samuel from Santa Inez Valley College Hospital will tell them the same thing.

    Putnam says Michael tried to get better but later he just tried to keep it a secret and distanced himself from everyone. He says they knew about the 1993 rehab but they learned about the 2002 rehab during discovery for this case. Putnam says the jury will hear from Mike Laperruque – a bodyguard of Michael. He says Laprerruque found Michel passed out at a hotel at Disneyworld in 2002 and Michael’s own children had to call 911. It was this time Michael went back to rehab. Putnam says it was an outpatient rehab and Dr. Alimorad Farschcian was helping Michael. Putnam says Dr. Farschcian went so far as to put an implant in Michael to help him stop using painkillers. He says as a result Michael was better and drug free in 2002 and 2003.

    Putnam says it looked like Michael turned a corner but then the horrible child molestation accusations and criminal trial happened. He says the jury will hear evidence that Michael went to another doctor to get the implant removed and after that asked for painkillers. Putnam says the jury will hear from Michael’s family that there was a wall they can’t get beyond. They will try to stage interventions, Michael would refuse to admit he has a problem, refuse to go to rehab and he was very very convincing even with his own family. Putnam says the jury will hear from Michael’s own family members that would say they don’t believe he ever had a problem after 1993 or they believed he seemed fine and did not need intervention.

    Putnam: “this is his own family. Certainly, others outside had no idea what was going on. If they didn't believe it, how could someone else think there was even a problem?

    Putnam says Michael became really good in hiding his addiction. He says even Michael was abusing painkillers in private, Propofol was even more private. Putnam says Jackson attorney said Propofol was something that happened after Murray came into the picture but that’s not true. Putnam says the jury will see that sometime in the 1990s with the help of the doctors Michael started to use Propofol to help him sleep. He says this was a big secret. So big secret that before this lawsuit no one knew, not even Michael’s regular doctors. His family didn’t know. Karen Faye didn’t know. People that worked with him for year, 20 years did not know. His mother did not know. His children did not know. His security guards did not know. His staff did not know. AEG did not know.

    Putnam says Debbie Rowe knew about it. He says before she married to Michael, she was Klein’s nurse. Putnam says they don’t know why or how but early 90s Michael started to use Propofol in connection with surgical procedures. Putnam says Rowe will testify that she saw several doctors get Michael to sleep with Propofol in hotel rooms while on tour. She remembers Michael being given Propofol in Munich, London and Paris. Rowe said she knew it was dangerous and she would always insist on being on his side and made sure there were two anesthesiologist there to make sure Michael woke up.

    Putnam says this was Michael’s biggest secret and over the years Michael secretly sought out Propofol from several providers. Putnam says the jury will also hear that Michael even asked for it during routine treatments like having his teeth cleaned at the dentist. He says whenever a doctor told him it was dangerous or refused to give it to him, he found another doctor. Putnam says Dr. Quinn a dental anesthesiologist will testify. He says Dr. Quinn met Michael during a dental procedure he received Propofol in the late 90s. Shortly after the procedure Michael called Dr. Quinn and asked her to meet with at Bel Air hotel. Michael was there with his son Prince who was 2 years old. He left Prince with Dr. Quinn’s sister and talked to Dr. Quinn in private. He asked Dr. Quinn for Propofol, not for any procedure but to help him sleep. Dr. Quinn refused and told Michael it’s not true sleep and told him it’s not proper to give it outside medical setting.

    Putnam says Dr. Van Valin will testify to something similar. He says in 2002 or 2003 Michael asked Dr. Van Valin if he would give Michael Propofol to sleep. Michael told Dr. Van Valin that he had a box of Propofol at Neverland and he used it all those years between shows. Michael showed the box and the bottles of Propofol to Dr. Van Valin. Dr. Van Valin refused and warned Michael. He told Michael the drug was dangerous and only place it should be used is in an operating room and told him without proper monitoring he could die.

    Putnam says this was Michael’s best kept secret and the doctors could not tell it to anyone because of doctor – patient confidentiality. Putnam again reminds the jury that Propofol is like an on / off switch and you couldn’t see it happening unless you were there when it happened.

    Putnam says the evidence will show that Michael did not turn Murray for Propofol , he turned to others. Murray was his family doctor. He says Debbie Rowe will testify that Michael always used an anesthesiologist for Propofol. Putnam says Michael asked Dr. Metzger for Propofol and he said no. He asked Cherilyn Lee and she said absolutely not. They both warned Michael. Cherilyn Lee said “Frankly I’m telling you this Mr. Jackson. The bottom line, this is death. Don’t do this. Death”.

    Putnam says Michael went on and did it anyway. He says the evidence will show Murray was ordering Propofol in April , before AEG ever heard of Murray he was already treating Michael. Putnam says Murray hid the Propofol in the house so it can’t be seen. Putnam shows the jury floor plans of Carolwood house. Putnam tells no one was allowed in Michael’s bedroom not even housekeeping and staff because Michael was hiding what was going on in his bedroom from everyone. Putnam says Michael’s children who saw him everyday did not know he was using Propofol. He says they couldn’t know because he was back there in a locked room, only Murray was allowed.

    Putnam says the evidence will show that there was no way that AEG could have found out what was going on. There’s no way they could know what Murray was doing. Neither Michael nor Murray was telling about Propofol.

    The last 4 minutes AEG lawyer Putnam wants to do quick reminder to the jury
    - Phillips never worked with Michael before
    - Last time Gongaware worked with Michael was History tour when Michael seemed perfectly healthy
    - Nothing remarkable about Michael was taking a doctor with him
    - It was Michael’s choice not theirs
    - A physical was done and he passed with flying colors
    - He was showing at rehearsal and were doing great
    - Other than one time on June 19 there never seemed to be a problem

    Putnam says it wasn’t for AEG to look into Murray. He says personal doctors are a person’s choice. Putnam says you don’t do background check on doctors. Putnam says Murray said he was licensed in 4 states and that was true.

    Putnam says if AEG looked they would see two suspensions, one for not returning a phone call for an hour and the other time was because he didn’t file some paperwork. He says this would what AEG found out if they dug. He says there was no history of misconduct in any of the states, not a single medical problem noted in his background. Putnam says having financial problems does not make a person not competent. Putnam says there might be lots of reasons why a person might have financial problems, it doesn’t mean they aren’t a good doctor.

    Putnam tells the jury that it will be weeks and weeks before he speaks to them again and asks them to wait till the end. He asks them not to rush to judgment until everything is said. He says the judge will tell them what the law is.

    Putnam tells the jury this case is about negligent hiring and the jury will decide whether Murray was ever hired to go on the tour and who hired him , was it Michael Jackson or AEG. Then Putnam wants the jury to go further and determine if he was hired was it negligent. He wants the jury to ask themselves if there was actual evidence that Phillips, Gongaware or AEG ever knew or should have known Murray was harming Michael Jackson. Putnam wants the jury to look to the claim of money damages. He says the thinks there aren’t any damages and will talk about it during the course of the trial.

    Putnam shows the jury the statement of damages provided to them by Jacksons and it has $40.2 Billion listed. Putnam says they asked Jacksons what are the damages, what are you claiming and this is the statement they sent to them. They sent them these damages in December 2012 for $40.2 Billion. Putnam says today that figure has changes but it is still in the billions. He tells the jury to look very carefully to damages, if there are any damages and if they can be that big.

    Putnam ends his opening statement reminding the jury about personal choices and personal responsibility.

    Putnam: “there's no question that Michael Jackson’s death was a terrible tragedy. There's none. And i don't think anyone would say otherwise. For his family, his children, and certainly for his fans, it's horrible. But i believe the evidence will show you it was not a tragedy of AEG Live's making, and that's what the evidence has to prove.

    Putnam ends by saying he believes that evidence will show that you can’t blame Phillips, Gongaware for this tragedy.

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    Karen Faye Testimony



    May 9, 2013 Morning session

    Direct examination by Jackson attorney Brian Panish

    Karen Faye starts her testimony by explaining what a makeup and hair artist does. She says she works on television shows, videos, commercials and works with celebrities. Karen states she started working for Michael either 1982 or 1983. She says her first job with Michael was the Thriller album cover, Karen was hired by the photographer Dick Zimmerman for the job. Panish shows a vinyl copy of Thriller album and ask Karen Faye to read the dedication section which says “This album is lovingly dedicated to Katherine Jackson”.

    Karen talks about Michael bringing a baby tiger to the photoshot and how she played with it and had fun. Karen Faye says Michael liked to have a distraction away from him when working because he did not like all of the attention on him.

    Karen says Michael got her phone number from Dick Zimmerman and called her to work on the next project – the cover for ET.
    Karen explains how makeup and hair artists get the celebrities photo ready and how it’s a job that they get personal with the person as they are required to be close and touch the people while working on their hair and makeup.

    Panish asks about the Pepsi burn accident and how that had an effect on Michael’s makeup and such. Karen says she had to work along Michael to hide his injury such as using hairpieces to hide the burn.

    Karen says that she worked for Michael for 27 years and she travelled all around the world. She calls these experiences magical. Karen says she and Michael were very close, like a brother and sister and they could call each other if they were having problems.

    Panish asks Karen if she went on any tours with Michael and she says she was on 3 tours. She mentions also working on special appearances and being with Michael when he met dignitaries, presidents and celebrities. She also mentions spending time with Michael outside the tours such as going to museums, book stores, hospitals, amusement parks and spending time at Neverland.

    Panish asks about Michael’s work as a humanitarian and asks Karen if she was involved. Karen replies no, saying it was something Michael just did and did not share much.

    Karen Faye: “he used to say, "I only tour because I get to go to other countries and to see the kids and the hospitals and the orphans." that was his main reason. He didn't care about the tour all that much.”

    Panish: can you tell us, since none of us met him, how would you describe Michael’s personality?
    Karen Faye: he was a gentleman. He was elegant. He was brilliant.


    Panish asks Karen about Michael’s sense of humor, creativity, perfectionist nature and Michael’s relationship with fans.

    Panish shows several photos: first picture is a picture of Karen and Michael with a note from Michael on it which says “to dearest Karen Faye. You are definitely one of the loyal family. Love always. Your brother, Michael Jackson”

    The second picture was taken at Motown Caf in NYC. Panish asks if there is a story behind that picture. Karen explains

    Karen Faye: “well, Lisa Marie Presley was calling Michael the day before this was shot and saying -- begging him not to divorce her. They weren't getting along. And so she called repetitively and begged him, "don't file for divorce. I really want to try to work this out." and Michael kept saying, "no. I don't think it's really going to work out." so she begged and begged, "please don't file yet. Please don't file yet." so he promised her he wouldn't file for divorce. But the next morning, it was all over the press she had gone ahead and filed divorce before him. So he was devastated by that, because he really decided to try again. She was, like, convincing him to try, and she turned around -- and I guess she just wanted to beat him to the punch in the press. So he said, "Come on. Let's give the press something to talk about," in relationship to this announcement. So we went out, and I was the mysterious blonde, and we went to the Motown cafe.

    Third picture is the picture where Michael is doing Karen’s makeup. Fourth picture is taken during “Leave me alone” video shot. Another photo is Michael in a clown makeup with Karen. Panish shows another set of photos of Michael which Karen did the makeup.

    Panish shows them to the jury asking Karen to tell about anything she can tell about the pictures. Photos include Annie Leibovitz photo shot for Vanity Fair, Dangerous, LA Gear, live concert photos and so on. Panish also shows videos from concert performances and asks Karen to explain where they are, what song, what concert etc. (Karen once comments Michael looking sexy and mentions she visited Dracula’s castle)

    Karen talks about Michael sweating a lot during concerts and losing 2-3 inches of water weight. She says it was her job to keep Michael hydrated during the shows.

    Karen also talks about how she had to go on stage to touch up Michael and put his hair in a ponytail and the concert in Bucharest, how her daughter accompanied her during the tour and her daughter was on stage with Michael during “Heal the World”.

    Panish goes back to the Pepsi burn incident and asks Karen to tell what happened. Karen explains the accident, how Michael did not realize his head was on fire and how Miko Brando wrestled Michael to the ground and put out the fire with his hands. Panish plays the video of the accident. Karen says she was devastated and worried and she couldn’t get in touch with anybody to find out how he was. She says she saw her on TV, his head bandage, visiting other patients.

    Karen says at first they just healed his skin and later on he had surgeries. Karen says after his skin healed, they put a small hairpiece on the top of his head that would cover the spot where Michael’s hair would never grow again. She says this wasn’t the best way for performances so Michael wanted to see what he can do to heal that spot to get his hair grow back there. So he had operation on his scalp where they tried to pull the hair together over the bald spot. To do that they put balloon under the skin so that it stretches and they have enough skin to pull over. Karen says Michael’s schedule was so busy that he never had time to heal from that. Michael was getting intense migraine headaches as the nerve endings start growing back together again. Karen says migraine headaches only happened during the healing period and he did not complain about them later.

    Panish asks Karen about Munich bridge accident. Karen explains what happened. Karen says when the bridge fell, she feared Michael could be dead and she wanted to run out to Michael but the security guards hold her back. She says she saw Michael come up on the stage and finish the song. After the song in the quick change room, she says to Michael “we need to get you to the hospital” and he says he can’t go, he can’t disappoint the audience. Karen says after the show Michael collapsed in the dressing room and the security took him to a hospital.

    Karen says Michael complained about back pain from that point on and he usually complained about back pain when he was under physical or emotional stress.

    Panish asks Karen if there were any other instances when something happened during mid performance and Michael continued to perform. Karen drifts and talks about how Michael always said “please” and “thank you” etc, mentions his low pain tolerance and high adrenaline during performing. Panish stops her and shows Seoul Korea performance where a fan run on the stage and got on the cherry-picker and Michael continued the performance while holding the fan. Karen says Michael was scared to death and saving the fans life while Panish replies Michael did not seem too worried about it.

    Panish then asks about music videos and making Karen tell about them. He plays Thriller. Panish mentions the Super bowl performance. He talks about the “toaster”, Michael’s performance at MTV awards, he mentions “moonwalk”, plays Dangerous video, “you are not alone”, asks Karen to explain what is a short film, plays “will you be there”.

    Panish asks Karen if Michael had difficulty sleeping during tours. Karen explains that his adrenaline would get so high it would take him at least 24 hours (sometimes 2 days) to relax his body enough to get to mode where he could actually sleep. Panish asks Karen what would Michael do. Karen says in the beginning of the tours the shows will be spaced out enough to give Michael enough time to unwind and relax (such as 1-2 concerts a week) but as the tours went on the shows got closer and closer. Karen says it would get worse and worse and Michael would get less and less sleep.

    Panish asks Karen if Michael relied on other people to help with his pain or sleep. Karen replies “doctors”

    Panish: “what were his thoughts? Did he believe and trust doctors or not trust them? What were your observations and discussions with him about doctors?”
    Karen: “uhm, Michael always believed that a doctor had his best interest at heart. He always believed if he got something through a doctor, that it was safe, and it was okay to use.”


    Panish asks Karen if she knows Michael ever took prescription medication. Karen says she doesn’t know as Michael never showed her that, never took them in front of Karen and he never told her he was taking medication.

    Panish: do you know what the doctors were doing with him?
    Karen: no, sir.



    Panish asks Karen about anything unusual happening before Dangerous tour in regards to doctors. Karen says they were doing a short film for Adams Family and this was the time Michael was going through the pain from the scalp balloon operation and having migraines. She says Michael was having patches put on to regulate pain medication to slowly release pain medication to help him with his scalp.

    Karen says Debbie Rowe would come to the trailer and she had a little bag with her.

    Karen says Jim Morey (a manager at that time) asked Karen she would carry the pain relief patches into Bangkok and Debbie Rowe asked her if she would learn how to give injections. Karen says her first inclination was “yeah whatever you want me to do” but when she went home she thought about it and decided no she wasn’t qualified in any way to handle medication and give injections. Karen called Jim Morey and told her not to send her the patches and she wouldn’t do it.

    Karen is asked about Dangerous tour, she says Paul Gongaware was the tour director. Karen says Gongaware was in charge of logistics. She says the tour consisted of 350 people and there were three groups of people: A, B and C group. Gongware was in charge of the band group and logistics on moving them.

    Karen says Dr. Stuart Finkelstein came to Bangkok and she learned that Paul Gongaware was the one who called him when Karen refused to take medical packages into Bangkok. (She later says she saw Dr. Finkelstein and Gongaware being friendly on tour) She says Dr. Finkelstein treated Michael on the tour. She says Dr. Finkelstein told her he was glad she wasn’t carrying the package because it had vials and syringes in it and if she brought it in, she might not be there. Karen says she did not see Dr. Finkelstein giving medicine to Michael. She later learned that

    Karen Faye: “I came to learn that there was a balance of medications that had to be administered that it was strong enough to overcome Michael’s pain but not strong enough that he couldn't perform.”

    Karen also mentions another doctor, Dr. Forecast. She says she doesn’t know where he actually came on tour. She says he learned that Dr. Forecast was insurance doctor brought by Lloyds of London.

    Panish asks if there was a time Michael was given too many drugs and had problem with performing. Karen says it was Singapore show. Karen says she went to Michael’s dressing room to get him ready. She says Michael had a hard time walking and he was stumbling. Karen says he was kind of glazed and the fell over a potted tree decoration. Karen says Dr. Forecast was there and she said to Dr. Forecast Michael can’t go on. Karen explains Michael had to go through the toaster and she was worried that he can hurt himself in that condition. Karen says to Dr. Forecast “You can’t make him go out there like that” and she put her arms around Michael saying “you can’t take him”. Dr. Forecast says “yes I can”, backs Karen up against a wall and puts his hands around her neck, pushed her up the wall and says “you don’t know what you are doing”. Karen says she couldn’t breathe and she nearly fainted and fell to the floor. Dr. Forecast grabbed Michael and took him to the stage. The show was eventually cancelled.

    Panish asks if there were other shows cancelled and Karen says yes. Karen says Michael was getting worse and he was under a lot of stress at the time because of the 1993 child molestation accusations. Panish asks if Michael ever complained about physical and emotional pain at the time. Karen says he would never say anything like that to her because Michael always wanted to be brave and strong.

    Karen says it appeared that Michael was getting more and more prescription medication during that time. She says the tour ended early because everyone knew Michael had a problem and they called Elizabeth Taylor to come and take Michael into rehab. Karen says initially she didn’t know where Michael went to rehab but later Michael wanted her to come to her. She says she was taken to countryside outside of London, it was a beautiful country home and they had sessions and sit and talk about their issues.

    Panish asks about how the experience on Dangerous tour made Karen felt about the doctors on tour with Michael. Karen says she got worried when she saw a doctor and she was afraid that Michael was in either emotional, psychological or physical pain and the doctors were giving him something for it.

    Karen says she on the first leg of History tour. She says she did not travel with Michael but she was there and did his makeup and hair. She says Dr. Neil Ratner was on the tour and she saw it at the very end of the first leg. She says Gongaware was on History tour as well and this time he had a lot more responsibility.

    Panish asks about the HBO event and Karen says Michael collapsed on stage and the diagnosis was over-exhaustion and dehydration.
    Panish asks about the 30th anniversary show and if anything happened. Karen says she went to Michael’s room to get him ready and she was met by a doctor who opened the door. Doctor looks surprised and tells Karen she can’t come in, he tells Karen he has just given Michael something and he’s asleep and he won’t be awake for another 5-6 hours. Karen says this can’t happen as they need to be at MSG in 2 hours. She says Frank Cascio helped her, she made his hair and makeup, walked him around the room, gave him Gatorade and bagels so he could perform. She says he had a whole audience, his family there. She says they eventually get to MSG and Michael performed.

    Panish asks about the 2005 criminal trial. Karen says at first Michael was being really brave. She tells that she would go to Neverland around 2:00 – 3:00 AM every morning to get Michael ready because he needed to leave by 6:00 – 7:00AM. She says they made him parade every single day; they had a red carpet for him with all the media to put him on display while they allowed other witnesses go around the back. She tells how they prayed “I hope to god he sees the truth”, washing his hair, watching Three Stooges, Michael Bush dressing him.

    Karen says towards the end it got worse. Michael couldn’t eat, he was afraid, he got thinner, his physical pain / back pain kicked in. Karen says Michael said he couldn’t eat because he didn’t want to throw up because he had to watch all these people who he loved and cared about tell all these lies about him. If he had to go to the bathroom, one of the guards had to go and stand behind him and Michael was too shy for that so he wouldn’t drink either.

    May 9, 2013 Afternoon session

    Panish asks Karen about when she learned about TII tour. She says she learned about it after the announcement in London beginning of March. Karen says she got a phone call from Michael Amir Williams. MAW asked Karen if she would be available to talk to Michael on the phone. Michael calls Karen a few hours later. Karen says they hadn’t spoken for a long time and they were on the phone for 45 minutes. Karen says after pleasantries Michael told her he would be doing TII and would like Karen work with him, Karen accepts.

    Panish asks if Karen had any concerns when Michael first contacted her. She says she had a problem with Raymone Bain and Grace Rwaramba because she knew they didn’t like her and didn’t want her around. Karen says she did not have any concerns about the TII concerts at the time of the phone call but after the conversation she went online and viewed the concert schedule. She says she thought the concerts were too close and there wasn’t enough time for Michael to recuperate, rest, sleep between shows so Karen contacts Kenny Ortega and says there needs to be a change to the schedule. Karen says Kenny kind of fluffed it off and did not seem real concerned about it.

    Karen says negotiations for her rate happened with Paul Gongaware and later Gongaware turned it over to Timm Woolley. Karen says the written contract took a while to get it done and she started working prior having a written contract. Karen says that she wasn’t paid for her work until the contract was signed. AEG paid her for the work she did before after the contract was signed. Panish shows Karen’s contract which was signed by Karen, Taunya Zilkie and Gongaware. Karen says before the contract was written up, she believed she had an oral agreement to work on TII. Karen’s contract says that she will render services to the company at photo sessions, press, media events, sound or audio recordings or other production sessions. Karen says AEG is the company that is directing and managing TII.

    Karen tells that she took directions from Frank Dileo, Kenny Ortega and reported to Timm Woolley and once in a while spoke to Randy Phillips. Karen says Phillips was the top executive, Gongaware worked under him. Karen says Gongaware came to rehearsals every day and Phillips only came once in a while.

    Karen is asked about Kenny Ortega, John Hougdahl aka Bugsy, Travis Payne, Michael Bush and what they did on TII.

    [In the afternoon session there are two long sidebars about hearsay. We learn that Karen was deposed for 5 days and majority of her deposition and testimony is like “Kenny Ortega told me Randy Phillips said that..”, “Michael Bush told me Michael said…” or “Michael Jackson told me…”. AEG argues it’s textbook hearsay and the judge agrees. AEG suggests the proper way to handle this is to put other people (such as Kenny Ortega and Michael Bush) on stand and ask them what they were told and if required use Karen Faye’s deposition testimony to impeach them.

    AEG also has issues with “Michael Jackson told me that..” and argues it is hearsay and unreliable. AEG also argues there’s no evidence that any of Michael’s statements ever communicated to AEG. They argue it would only become relevant if Karen told what Michael told her to AEG people. Jackson lawyers argue that they will not offer it as truth but to demonstrate Michael’s state of mind. AEG argues Michael’s state of mind is not an issue in this lawsuit. AEG and Jacksons also argue about the law. AEG argues that there’s a rule that says in a wrongful death lawsuit statements of decedent (Michael) cannot be used against the defendant (AEG). Jacksons lawyers disagree and cite OJ Simpson case where Nicole Simpson’s statements were used to show her state of mind. AEG states Karen can testify what she observed, felt or understood.

    So most the questions are worded accordingly and Panish repeatedly tells Karen not to tell what people told her. Karen gets frustrated at times. ]

    Karen testifies that Michael at times were frustrated.

    Karen Faye: “in the beginning, when I first saw him, I thought he was great. He was very happy, very – it was just so great to see him, and very upbeat, very clear. But he was on the thin side, was my opinion, for starting a tour. At that time, in the very beginning, I thought he had plenty of time to put on some body mass, some muscle mass. Usually performers, even through rehearsals, start gaining some weight muscularly from repeating the dance moves. He'd start working out, and -- and I thought through diet that he probably could”.

    Karen testifies as the time went on it looked worse and worse. Karen says Michael was excited and brought all of his energy to the production meetings but she saw a change in Michael when he had to go on stage and rehearse. Karen testifies that the band and the dancers needed to rehearse with Michael and it was Ortega and Phillips’s responsibility to make sure Michael rehearsed. Karen says rehearsing is something you have to do, you have to rehearse but there come a time where they had to make Michael rehearse.

    Karen says during this time she saw changes at Michael, like his skin was drier than she has ever seen. She says his eyes were dry. Karen thinks it was either not enough water or not enough nutrition. Karen also says Michael was losing weight and getting thinner.

    Karen adds that Michael was repeating himself a lot and at times he seemed paranoid. Such as telling Karen make sure that he can see her on stage all the time and then repeat it again. Karen says Michael was also paranoid about fans hearing the loud music from outside. Karen says there was a time Michael was pretty good and then these things happened very suddenly. She says the turning point when Michael had to get up on stage and actually perform.

    [Karen testifies hearing Gongaware on the phone with Michael Amir Williams telling him to get Michael out of the bathroom and bring him to the rehearsals at Forum]

    Karen testifies that she was concerned about Michael’s psychological well being and adds that she wasn’t aware if anyone else was concerned about Michael’s condition. Karen says she shared her concerns around the week of June 15. Karen says Kenny Ortega was the first person she told her concerns. Karen says she told Ortega about her concerns about Michael’s psychological well being and told that she felt a psychologist should be brought in to assess MJ.

    (After a long sidebar) Karen tells that Ortega told her Phillips hired one of the top 10 doctors in the world, Judge gives the jury a limiting instruction in regards to this statement.

    Karen testifies she later learned this doctor was Murray and says she saw Murray at only one rehearsal. Karen says she once ran into Randy Phillips in the hallway and talked to him about her concerns and Randy told her about Michael being drunk at the London announcement. Karen also testifies that Phillips told her that it was important for him and he really wanted to see Michael successful again. Phillips felt like Michael’s popularity had waned and he wanted to be the one to revive that.

    Karen says at one point she was told to communicate her concerns directly to Frank Dileo. Karen says it was her understanding that Dileo was working for AEG. Karen says Dileo was the person she was supposed to go and she believed Dileo was going to report these concerns to Phillips. Karen says she phoned and sent emails to Frank Dileo. Karen testifies on phone she told Dileo that she was worried about Michael’s state of health psychologically, emotionally and physically. Karen says she also forwarded fan emails to Dileo with comments added to them.

    Karen mentions that once Michael was late for rehearsal and Ortega and Phillips went to Michael’s house to talk to him. After that meeting Karen says she was instructed to not to listen to Michael and listen and take directions from Phillips. Karen says she was told to get Michael on stage and put the ear piece in his ear even though he did not want that. Karen testifies she felt torn about whom to listen to.

    Karen says Michael was again late for a rehearsal around June 16-18 and Ortega and Phillips again went to talk to Michael. Karen says she thinks Michael and Murray was at this meeting. Karen says she talked to Ortega after this meeting but the some of questioning ends due to hearsay. She says she was told not to listen to what Michael was telling her and show Michael tough love.

    Panish goes back to ask about Michael and doctors on tour in general. Karen says she was concerned because doctors meant Michael had emotional or physical pain and it meant they were prescribing in drugs. Karen says at those times Michael seems to be under the influence of something by the way he looked, walked and talked.

    Karen says she trusted Dr. Metzger.

    Karen tells that she talked to Dileo and Ortega around June 18 and she was getting emails from fans at this time period as well. Karen says she forwarded the emails to Dileo. Karen testifies she did not give the emails to Phillips and Phillips talked to her at Michael’s funeral saying he read the emails Karen sent to Ortega and tried to do everything he could. Karen says she had no response to that as Michael was lying in a casket only a few feet away.

    Karen says on June 18 Michael came to rehearsal late and he looked stoic. Karen says Michael and she did not talk much and Michael looked frightened.

    Karen says she was instructed by Dileo to not to talk to fans anymore. Karen says this was before she forwarded emails to Dileo.
    Panish asks about the June 19 rehearsal. Karen says Michael was cold as an ice cube that day and he was shaking violently. Karen says she wrapped Michael in blankets, held him close to her and had a space heater on. Karen says she asked Ortega to call Michael’s doctor because she was scared to death. She says Ortega called the doctor. Karen says Michael had a fitting earlier in the day and that seemed to be going all right but later in the day he started to get really really cold. Karen says Kenny massaged Michael’s feet and Kenny tried to feed Michael (she says Kenny always tried to feed Michael by cutting his chicken for him).

    Panish shows the June 19 fitting photo and asks Karen is she has seen Michael looked like that before. Karen replies Michael was thin and it was bad at the end of the 2005 trial but she has never seen him so emaciated as this. Karen says while trying on the clothes, Michael seemed to be okay. Karen again stopped when she tries to tell what Michael said. Karen says Michael was frustrated and repeated “why can’t I choose?” judge later strikes this statement.

    Panish goes back to the fan emails and what she forwarded to Dileo. Karen forwarded the following email on June 20th.

    Karen’s comments: “Frank, unfortunately, she is right. I am fearful he will make himself so sick he will die. If he doesn't do this show, he has nowhere else to go."

    Fan email: “ hello, Karen. I'm gonna try to make this one short but I don't know if I will be able to. Last week I was in LAwith a friend to see Michael. We got really lucky and Michael kindly invited us both on the set of the 3d "thriller" ghosts thing. My friend had made a jacket for him. He was dressed with white pants -- I think she meant (reading:) -- really tight, and a white shirt, really tight, too. He had a red small jacket on. I told Michael to try it because he became really thin, we were afraid it wouldn't fit. He took his jacket off and I saw something horrible a skeleton. Watched his back. It was only bones. I am still in shock, and my best friend too. We knew he was skinny, but we were always seeing him with a jacket on or a large top. But as he was dressed this day, it was as if he was naked and we saw how awful it was. We don't know if he is anorexic and stopped eating, as he told us, or if it's something more complicated than that, a disease or something else. But in the case he just stopped eating, here is what I want to tell you. If we do nothing, he will die. And it's natural logic. I know people who work for him cannot tell him anything; and even if they do, he won't listen. I know his own family tried to help him, but he won't listen. But I also know that it is humanly impossible for a human being to be a skeleton and dance for two hours straight without any danger.”

    Karen says Dileo did not respond to email and they later talked about it. She says Dileo’s statement bothered her. On June 22nd Karen sends another email to Dileo.

    Karen testifies that on June 23rd and June 24th Michael was doing better and she felt a little bit relief. She says Michael was still cold and thin and repeating stuff on june 23rd. Karen says she learned Randy Phillips put a person in Michael’s dressing room. She says she doesn’t know why Phillips put that person there and she testifies that Michael was bothered and unhappy by it.

    Karen testifies there were a lot more people around for the June 24th rehearsal and Phillips was there. Karen says Michael was wrapped in blankets on June 24th.

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    Karen Faye Testimony

    May 10, 2013 Session

    Panish asks Karen about the fitting. Karen says there was a living space and bathrooms in the rear. Karen says Michael sweated and Michael Bush changed Michael in the bathroom area while Karen was in the living room area. Karen says once they were in the Staples center and Michael Bush was changing Michael in the bathroom while Karen was waiting in the living room. She says Michael Bush exited the bathroom, came to her and said “oh my God Turkle I could see Michael’s heart beat through the skin in his chest”. Karen says she just acknowledged it saying “yeah I know, he’s really thin”. Karen says Michael Bush was upset and sounded like he was in shock.

    Panish goes back to the emails Karen forwarded to Dileo, she says she did not get a reply from Dileo. Karen says she asked Dileo about it when they were at Staples center and he said to her “I got it under control, don’t worry about it”. Karen replies saying “but he’s losing weight really rapidly. Why don’t you ask Michael Bush to verify taking in his pants and how much weight he is actually losing”. Karen says Dileo went to the dressing area which was right next to makeup area and separated by curtain. Karen says she heard Dileo ask Michael Bush about Michael’s weight and heard Dileo say “Get him a bucket of chicken”. Karen says this was a cold response and broke her heart.

    Panish asks Karen how she heard about Michael’s death. Karen says she was at Staples center in the hallway between makeup room and Ortega’s room. She says Ortega came to her, put his arms around her and told her in her ear. Karen says her knees went weak and Ortega was holding her up. Karen says Ortega went on with the business of dealing with the situation and all of the people that were there.

    Panish asks about Michael’s funeral. Karen says she prepared Michael’s body for his family to view in the casket.

    Karen is asked about TII movie and tells that she was asked to come and retouch the footage. She says she didn’t do it because it was a lie and she did not want to lie.

    Karen: “everybody was lying after he died, sir, that Michael was well, and everybody knew he wasn't. And I felt retouching Michael was just a part of that lie.”

    Panish plays a part from “they don’t really care about us”. Panish asks if Karen was watching that performance as it happened, she replies yes. Panish asks if accurately depict how Michael looked in the last 2 days of his life. Karen says in real life he looked thinner to her, especially in his legs. (AEG lawyer objects and says there was no retouching of the footage)

    Panish shows a picture to Karen from TII and asks how Michael looks, Karen replies skeletal and sick. She’s shown a picture of Dangerous gold pants and a picture from TII. Karen says the gold pants picture shows the muscle he needed to perform. She’s shown another picture from TII and says you can see the bones in his neck, his arms slender and he has a lot of clothes on. Karen’s direct examination ends by Karen saying she was concerned about Michael’s physical appearance.


    Cross Examination by AEG attorney Putnam

    Putnam asks Karen about what she does when she is asked to retouch footage. Karen says she was working on retouching footage when Michael was dying. She says Michael asked her to go and work with the technicians to make the Dome project videos that will be used in the concerts. Karen says she wasn’t retouching the footage but showing the technicians how to retouch it.

    Putnam asks about retouching TII movie. Karen says she was asked and she was torn about. She didn’t want to lie and she also wanted him look good if the movie was going to be released. She says she called her rep and asked for advice. Putnam asks if Karen has any idea in what way or how the footage was or was not retouched, Karen says she was no idea, she did not participate and did not talk to anyone about it.

    Putnam asks about Taunya Zilkie. She says Taunya was her rep for several years and she had a personal relationship with the Jacksons. Karen testifies that Taunya and Randy Jackson seemed very close. She says Taunya and Randy had a long on and off romantic relationship.

    Putnam points out that they were at Staples center on June 23rd and June 24th and that was time Karen heard Dileo utter “Get him a bucket of chicken” through a partition. Karen testifies that on June 23rd and June 24th Michael’s rehearsals was better but he was still thin and cold. Putnam asks if Karen thought Michael looked too thin during the entire time she was with Michael in 2009. Karen replies she did not feel he was too thin when she first met him, she thought he did not have enough muscle mass to do a concert and he progressively got worse.

    Karen says one of her concerns was Michael being thin and the other concern was Michael’s psychological health. Karen says she started to get worried when Michael started not coming to rehearsals and it peaked at the week before Michael’s death.

    Putnam asks about Dileo. Karen says he was a manager after Thriller period and left his job at Sony to become Michael’s manager. Putnam asks if there were a lot of people who were fired and then came back and then fired /hired/fired/hired. Karen says correct. Putnam asks if Karen was one of those people that was fired / hired, Karen says she was never fired, she was released. Karen says she’s a freelance artist so she can’t really be fired. Putnam asks if middle of a tour Michael’s manager Tarak told her , her services were no longer needed, Karen replies yes.

    Karen says she did not talk to Michael during the last leg of History tour and she did not see Michael between 2005 verdict and when she started to work on TII in 2009. Putnam asks “so you were one of these people who left MJ’s life for a period of time but came back in”, Karen replies correct. Putnam asks if it was odd that people came and went and Karen says it wasn’t odd and it happened once in a while.

    Putnam lists Karen’s work history with Michael: Moonwalker movie, Bad tour, Wembley concerts, meeting Princess Diana, Smooth Criminal and Beat it videos from Wembley DVD, Dangerous tour, Bucharest concert, Ireland concert and so on.

    Karen says Ortega was the creative director for the Dangerous tour but she thinks he was not on the whole tour. Usually when the tour set up, Kenny went on to other things.

    Putnam goes over what Karen said about Dangerous tour, Dr. Forecast, Michael goint to rehab. Putnam reminds what Karen said the previous day about Gongaware having some role in cancelling the shows. Karen says she has no way of knowing if Gongaware actually cancelled a show and she says he might have been involved in figuring out what to do if something happened regarding a cancellation.

    Putnam asks Karen if she knew what Gongaware did on Dangerous tour; Karen replies she knows some things but not the details. Karen says Gongaware was working with their passports and visas, logistics, rearranging scheduled. Karen says Gongaware travelled with B group during Dangerous tour. Putnam asks to the extent of cancelling a show, Gongaware would have to rearrange people’s schedules and Karen replies correct.

    Putnam asks if Karen knows if Gongaware had any interaction with Michael during Dangerous tour. Karen says yes because many times their hotels were together. When asked, Karen cannot remember a specific time.

    Putnam asks about Bangkok, reminds Michael had scalp surgery before this time. Karen says before they left for Bangkok the inflation device was removed and the operation to bring his scalp together was done. Michael was having migraine headaches due to the surgery. Also this was the time first molestation accusations become public. It was the same time period. Putnam asks Karen she suspected Michael had a problem with painkillers over the time and she says yes because of patches, vials and syringes she was told about. Putnam again asks who asked Karen to bring the patches and she replies Jim Morey and Debbie Rowe. Putnam asks Karen explain the patches. Karen says she never saw them but she understand them to be like the smoking patches and explained to her that it would relieve Michael’s pain from surgery.

    Putnam asks Karen as a makeup artist for Michael Jackson why would she have a conversation with a nurse (Debbie Rowe) of one of Michael’s doctors (Klein). Karen says it’s because she was going along with Michael and she knew Klein as she was a patient of Klein.
    Putnam asks Karen if she ever discussed painkillers issue with Michael at Dangerous tour asking “I’m concerned you have problem with painkillers” or “I’m concerned you are using too many painkillers”. Karen replies no. Karen says she never spoke to Michael but believes he knew she knew as she saw him at Singapore. Putnam asks if Karen talked to Michael after Singapore event saying she was concerned. Karen says she was a place of safety for Michael so she did not bring up drugs or accusations to Michael.

    Putnam asks if Karen talked Sandy Gallin or Jim Morey about her concerns about Michael’s drug use at that time. Karen says no and adds that she was afraid of them because they asked her to carry the patches. Karen is asked if she ever contacted Dr. Klein or Debbie Rowe about her concerns of painkillers, she says no.

    Putnam asks if Karen saw Michael taking drugs or injections during Dangerous tour, she says no. She’s asked if she’s given Michael drugs or painkillers. She says no. Putnam asks if there were any medicine prescribed to Michael in her name, Karen says no. Putnam asks if Karen discussed the medications with Dr. Metzger, she says no.

    Putnam asks if Karen brought any medicine on tour for Michael. Karen asks if Latisse would be considered a drug, Putnam replies if it is by prescription. Karen says it grows eyelashes. Karen says she wanted it for Michael and Dr. Metzger prescribed it in her name during TII preparations. Karen says Propecia (grows hair) was also prescribed by Dr. Metzger in her name for Michael. Karen says she discussed it with Michael, Metzger and Klein to make sure these were okay for Michael to take. Karen says she also had conversations about Botox on Michael’s scalp for sweating, she says she did not get Botox. These were for TII tour.

    Putnam asks if Karen got prescriptions for Michael during dangerous tour and she says no. Putnam asks if Karen talked to Michael’s family. She replies she talked with Rebbie but believes it was after Dangerous tour. Karen says Rebbie came to her house but she cannot remember when that discussion happened. Karen says she talked with Latoya after Michael’s death. Karen says she met with Katherine and Michael’s family after Michael’s death to answer their questions.

    Putnam goes over again asking Karen if she talked to anyone about her concerns during Dangerous tour. Karen says “the molestation and the drug issue I avoided like the plague” when talking about what she said or did not say to Michael. Karen says she might have brought up being asked to bring drugs to Bangkok years later with Michael but she’s not sure. She doesn’t recall a discussion but says it’s possible.

    Putnam asks if Karen told anyone about Dr.Forecast choking her, she says Michael was in the room and she probably told it to Michael Bush – but she doesn’t recall for sure. She says she did not mention it to Michael’s managers.

    Putnam asks Karen about Dr. Forecast and Karen says it’s her belief that he was the Lloyds of London insurance doctor. Putnam asks if she ever had an understanding that Dr.Forecast was Michael’s personal physician during the tour, Karen replies she never got that impression. Putnam asks if anyone told Karen that Dr.Finkelstein was on the tour for crew and others. Karen replies he served in that purpose also. Putnam asks Karen if she knows how many times Dr. Finkelstein treated Michael in the absence of Dr. Forecast, Karen says she doesn’t know. Putnam says Dr. Finkelstein only treated Michael twice and it gets sustained.

    Putnam asks about end of Dangerous tour and Michael going to rehab. Karen says Michael did not know that there would be someone there to intervene to take him to rehab. Karen says it’s her belief that Michael did not even know because it was never mentioned to her. Karen says she learned after the fact that Michael left for rehab. Karen says Michael’s personal assistants (either Norma or Evvy) later asked her to go and see Michael. Karen says she doesn’t know who (Elizabeth Taylor, Dr. Forecast, Dr. Finkelstein) was involved in the intervention. Karen testifies that when she was visiting Michael in rehab she talked to the person who was in charge of therapy. Karen says the therapist asked Karen about her concerns. Karen says entire leg of Dangerous tour she was concerned with doctors telling her they are trying to balance of killing the pain for him and being able to perform. Karen says she can’t remember any specific time other than Singapore event.

    Karen says UK after Dangerous tour was the only time she saw Michael in rehab. She says she also talked to Michael and Michael though he should not be in rehab because he didn’t think he had a problem. Karen says she encouraged Michael by saying “this is a nice place, everybody is really nice. I think it’s good for you”. Putnam asks if Karen had an understanding why Michael called her to UK to visit him at rehab; Karen says she thinks he wanted her to maintain him cosmetically. Karen says she was there for a few days and she left after she was done.

    Putnam asks about Michael’s public announcement about going to rehab and plays the video of it. Putnam asks Karen to confirm if it was the announcement. Karen confirms it and says Michael had the eyelashes that she hated. Putnam asks Karen to explain and Karen says she went to Neverland to get Michael ready for the announcement and put eyelashes that Michael wanted. Karen says she doesn’t remember if she was in the room or if she left the room while they were filming that. Putnam starts asking a question that the announcement occurred the day after the tour ended and Karen is surprised and asks Putnam his own question (it happened after the tour ended? The day after?). Putnam stops her and asks if Karen recalls when this announcement occurred and she says she can’t be accurate as to when it happened. Putnam says that Karen testified the she did not know where Michael was but could it be she knew where he was because she helped him with the announcement. Karen says she knows she was there to do his makeup for the announcement but doesn’t remember where this announcement was at Mexico city or at Neverland before he left for UK.

    Putnam asks Karen if she tweets and if she has a blog and a website. Karen says yes, although she hasn’t been on her blog for a long time. Putnam asks if it is fair to say Karen sent hundreds to thousands of emails about Michael, Karen replies probably. Putnam asks if Karen wrote extensively about Michael on her blog. Karen replies she wrote for a while but stopped writing because it was too painful. Putnam asks if the photos the jurors were shown yesterday was from her blog, Karen doesn’t remember if the photos were on her blog or on other Internet accounts she uses. Putnam asks if Karen posted and had communications on MJ fan sites. Karen says when she worked for MJJSource she made statements.

    Putnam asks in all of these tweets and blogs and all the things she has been writing, she has said a number of unfavorable things about AEG. Karen replies by saying “I’ve stated the truth as far as my experience”. Putnam says he’s not asking whether or not it’s the truth but if Karen have or have not posted unfavorable things about AEG. Karen asks Putnam to define “unfavorable”. Putnam explains it as a bad light, one would not consider not favorable. Karen replies by saying “I pain them in a truthful light, as far as my experience”. Putnam asks if she consider that a positive light, is she lauding AEG in these sites. Karen says she’s not lauding them, she’s not saying praises.

    Putnam goes back to the rehab announcement and asks Karen if she’s not sure when that announcement occurred, Karen replies correct. Karen says she’s sure she was there to do Michael’s hair and makeup. Putnam asks about Karen returning home after visiting Michael at rehab and Michael telling her he didn’t believe he should be at rehab. Putnam asks if Karen told this to Michael’s family, his managers or his doctors. She replies she wasn’t in contact with those people. Putnam says just months ago Karen was in contact with Michael’s doctors. Karen says the tour was over and she was going about her own life.

    Putnam asks if Karen worked for Michael after rehab and she says yes. Putnam asks if she discussed Michael’s rehab stay with him, Karen doesn’t remember. Putnam asks Karen if she was worried about Michael’s drug use between 1993 to 1996. Karen doesn’t remember what they were doing at that time period and she asks Putnam for help to tell her what Michael was doing at time period. Putnam says he has no idea what Michael was doing. Karen says “I bet some fans back there know”. Panish tells Karen not to do that.

    Putnam asks if Karen recalls, Karen asks Putnam what album was out, Putnam says to his knowledge “History” was about to come out. Karen says there was History trailer in Budapest and Michael was married to Lisa Marie Presley at the time. Karen says Michael was staying in New York for a good deal of time. Karen says she doesn’t remember having concerns at that time period.

    Putnam asks about History tour, Karen says she was on a portion of it and she was informed after the first leg that her services were no longer needed. Karen says Michael asked her to accompany her to History tour. Karen says Ortega, Payne, Gongaware was also all on this tour as well.

    Putnam asks if Karen knew whether there was a company called AEG at that time, Karen says she did not hear about AEG. Putnam asks if Karen knew who Gongaware worked for and Karen says she assumed he worked for Tarak. Putnam asks who is Tarak and Karen says Tarak was working with a Saudi Prince or King. Karen says she doesn’t know if Tarak Ben Ammar was Michael’s manager at the time. She says she was just doing her job and not inquiring. Putnam asks Karen to explain what Tarak was doing. Karen says she travelled with B group and Tarak traveled with A Group. Karen says she had to go in and negotiate with Tarak for History tour.
    Putnam asks about why Karen did not continue on the tour after the first leg and asks if this was after an argument Karen had with Tarak. Karen says yes and she doesn’t want to tell it initially. Karen later tells that she felt that Tarak was trying to get rid of her by making things very difficult for her. She says Tarak would allow her to do Michael’s makeup but would not allow her to speak to Michael while she’s doing his makeup. She says Tarak would also reduce her pay and give her a low rate and Karen says she could no way financially handle the low rate, a child and a home to support and being away for a long time.

    Putnam asks why Tarak wanted Karen to do Michael’s hair & makeup but did not want her speaking to Michael. Karen says she doesn’t know why but her feeling was it was about control. She says most every manager wanted to replace her because she was in a position that stood in front of Michael and touched him. Karen says Michael told her about management wanting to replace her and she calls this a power struggle. Karen says it was common for her to have somebody not wanting her in Michael’s company for a long period of time.

    Putnam: and did you come to understand at that time that the reason was because there were people who thought you were making it difficult for them to do their jobs?
    Karen: I didn't know anything, sir, other than what I was told.


    Karen says she was let go from the History tour and she did not talk to Michael. Putnam asks if anyone from Michael’s camp reached out to Karen to ask why she’s not continuing with the tour. Karen says Michael Bush did. Putnam asks if Michael inquired why she wasn’t there, Karen says no. Karen says Michael Bush told her Michael asked him why she wasn’t there and it indicated to her that Michael did not know. Karen says as she wasn’t there she didn’t know what anybody knew or did not know.

    Putnam asks if Karen come to have a belief that Debbie Rowe had any role in her not being there. Karen says a little bit. Karen explains Debbie Rowe was married to Michael at this time. Karen says after Tarak was gone and she came back to work for Michael after History tour Debbie Rowe told her she was involved and apologized to Karen for playing a role in that situation.
    Putnam asks Karen to explain it in detail. Karen says she needed another person to work on tour with her and Debbie introduced her to a hairdresser named Tommy Sims. Tommy was a good friend of Debbie. Karen says Debbie was pregnant and in love with Michael. Karen says Debbie told her for many years that it was her desire to be with Michael. Karen says Debbie told her she was jealous of Karen being there as Michael’s makeup artists and she thought Michael liked Karen better than her and Debbie felt more comfortable with her friend Tommy Sims taking Karen’s place. Karen says it appeared that Debbie Rowe was jealous of her and uncomfortable at her presence. Karen says she thought it was possible that this was an element of why she was let go at the time.

    Putnam says he’s trying clarify everything as much as he can. Karen replies saying that after Michael died she tried to put these things behind her and move on with her life and it’s difficult for her to put all these information out like this. Putnam asks her about all of her tweets and blogs and asks if those were things she did after Michael died, Karen replies “mostly”.

    Putnam goes back to History tour and asks if Karen was concerned about Michael using drugs on the first leg of History tour. Karen says she was always concerned because he had a previous drug history but he seemed to be fine at first leg of the History tour and she didn’t see anything that led her to be concerned during the tour.

    Putnam says if Karen saw any doctors during History tour. Karen says she saw Dr. Ratner at the end of first leg once or twice. Karen can’t recall if she saw Dr. Klein or Dr. Metzger on tour. Putnam asks if Michael was seeing doctors at the cities where they stopped on the tour. Karen says it would be hard for her to follow because they traveled in different hotels as there were A,B, C travel groups.

    Putnam asks Karen how she started working with Michael again. Karen says Michael’s assistant Evvy called her and said Michael wants to have you back, Karen replied great. Putnam asks if Karen ever explained Michael what happened between she and Tarak. Karen says a little bit because Michael was in the room when he asked Debbie to apologize to her.

    Putnam starts asking about 1999 bridge collapse. Karen tells they did two concerts Seoul first, Munich second and bridge collapse happened in Munich. Ortega and Payne was working in those 2 concerts but Gongaware had no role. Putnam reminds Karen’s dramatic testimony about bridge collapse and plays the full video, going past the moment where it comes down.

    Putnam asks if Michael seem thin to her. Karen says she wasn’t looking for that, she says Michael was always slender. Karen says Michael became hefty when he went of the rehab and during Invincible release.

    Putnam asks if Karen was concerned about Michael during these two concerts in 1999, she says no. Putnam asks if there were doctors during these two concerts, Karen cannot recall. Putnam asks about 30th anniversary show event. Karen says it was doctor she didn’t see before and she did not saw him after that and she did not know his name. Putnam asks her how she knew he was a doctor. Karen says because he told her he gave Michael a sleeping aid and come back in about five or six hours. Karen says he did not tell her what the sleeping aid was.

    Putnam asks if Karen saw Michael concurrently with the doctor saying that. Karen says she did not go in Michael’s bedroom. Karen thinks it was Frank Cascio who went into Michael’s bedroom and got Michael up and brought him to the living room. Karen says she’s a lady and she doesn’t go into men’s bedrooms unannounced.

    Putnam asks who Michael’s manager was at the time. Karen doesn’t know, isn’t sure if Dieter was Michael’s manager. After a discussion Karen says she looked to people as above the line and below the line and she was below the line and she was never sure what position the line of responsibilities went between the people above the line. She says there were a lot of people around and she was never really clear as to their position and she did not ask anybody to clear it for her.

    Putnam asks if Karen continued to work with Michael after 1999 Munich and she says yes. Putnam mentions Karen previously testifying working for Michael during 2005 criminal trial. Putnam asks if this was the time Karen was also working with Taunya Zilkie and Randy Jackson on the MJJSource website. Karen says yes. This is also the first time Karen met Taunya. Karen says the time they spent together during the trial was intense and they got very close. Karen says after MJ’s trial she asked Taunya if she would be interested in representing her, negotiate contracts, and follow up payments and so on.

    Putnam asks about the time Karen was concerned about Michael during the trial. Karen says the signs of a possible drug use were there. Michael was in physical pain, from his back, the emotions, he could not sleep. Karen says she became increasingly concerned at that time period. Putnam asks if Karen expressed her concerns to Michael, she says no. Putnam asks if Karen told her concerns to Randy Jackson and Taunya Zilkie, Karen says she think so. Karen says she also told her concerns to Michael Bush. Putnam again asks Karen if she ever talked to Michael, she says no.

    Karen Faye: “I have to go back to, the time I spent with him was a time of peace, not confrontation, sir. He had to go into court. I didn't see him other than that space in time every morning. And it was my job, and it was my duty as a friend, sir, to make that time and space as peaceful and calm as I could before he had to go to where he had to go. I didn't want to confront him with anything. And no matter what he was doing, I could never blame him for that because of the pain.”

    Putnam asks if Michael ever asked her for painkillers, she says he once did and she said she didn’t have any. Karen says he never asked her again. Putnam asks if Karen said anything to Michael the moment when he asked for a painkiller about her concerns about Michael using drugs again. Karen says no. Putnam asks if she ever saw Michael use drugs in that time period, Karen replies no.Putnam asks if Karen ever saw Michael under the influence, Karen says it was pretty obvious on the Pajama day after he came from the hospital. Putnam asks if Karen knew why Michael went to the hospital, Karen says he told her that he was suffering extreme pain in his back and it was associated with the fall in Munich.

    Putnam asks Karen if Michael ever personally admitted to her he had a problem with drugs, Karen says no.

    Putnam again asks about Karen talking to Rebbie and when it happened. Putnam asks if it could have happened during or after the 2005 trial. Karen doesn’t remember the time period and says only thing she can say is it happened between 1990 and 2005 and to ask Rebbie.

    Karen says she only had an extensive talk with Rebbie and only briefly talked to Randy Jackson about Michael’s drug use during the 20005 trial. Karen says it is her understanding that Michael’s family several times tried to get Michael go into rehab but they weren’t successful. Putnam asks if Karen knew Rebbie came to talk to her in connection with trying to get Michael to go to rehab. Karen says they had suspicions and they come to talk to her as she spent great deal of time with Michael. Karen says she didn’t know why they had suspicions. Karen says she doesn’t know if they talked to other people.

    Putnam asks Karen where she was when the verdict was announced. Karen says she was in a hotel room in Solvang with her daughter and Taunya. Karen says she never saw Michael after the verdict announced. Karen did not see Michael for several years. The next time she saw him was in Carolwood house in 2009.

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    Prince Jackson testimony about Randy Phillips at the house

    Jackson Direct

    Q Did you ever see Randy Phillips at your house before your father died?
    A yes. A couple of times.
    Q Did it surprise you to see him?
    A uhm, sometimes it did, because he would come up unannounced when my dad wasn't at the house.
    Q okay. Who was Randy -- was Randy Phillips with anyone at the home?
    A he would come either with Dr. Tohme, or sometimes he would come with some other men I didn't recognize.
    Q did you ever see him speaking to anyone at your house?
    A I saw him talking to Dr. Tohme once by the stairs where -- when he came by himself one day.
    Q did you ever see him speaking to Dr. Conrad Murray when your father wasn't present?
    A that's when he talked to Dr. Murray only. I saw him talk to him twice, and that time when he came by himself, he was speaking to him in hushed whispers. I was bringing him water, and he was talking to Dr. Murray. He was grabbing his elbow and looked aggressive to me.
    Q could you hear what they were saying?
    A no.
    Q how was Mr. Phillips's demeanor when he was speaking to Conrad Murray?
    A he was grabbing him by the back of the elbow, and they were really close, and he was making hand motions.
    Q did it surprise you?
    A yes, a little.
    Q where was your father at?
    A I believe he was at rehearsals.
    Q was this in the day or the nighttime?
    A closer to the night. That's when Dr. Murray came around.
    Q now, do you know exactly what day that was?
    A no.
    Q do you have a recollection of when it was?
    A when he came by himself, no. But when he came with the other men and Dr. Tohme, I remember it to be the night before my dad died.
    Q and there's been testimony all over the place. Are you absolutely sure that was the day?
    A I am not. I can't really remember. It was either the night before or two nights before.
    Q now, when you saw -- at any time when Mr. Phillips was there, did you contact your father?
    A the night that I think was before he died, I called him up from a security phone.
    Q okay. Don't tell us what he said. Just, did you contact him?
    A yes.
    Q okay. Did you do something -- put that aside. Did you do anything else for Mr. Phillips or anyone else he was with at that time?
    A I came in. And I asked them if he would like something to drink or eat, and they said no. But my dad Always told me to bring out, like, chips or salsa or Hors d'oeuvres, something like that. So I went in the kitchen to get hors d'oeuvres for them, chips or salsa.
    Q is that when you called your father?
    A this was before -- this was after I called him.
    Q all right. And don't tell me what he said, but what did you do after that?
    A I went and got the chips and salsa, and then Randy Phillips was talking to Dr. Tohme again at the bottom of the stairs, grabbing his elbow again and talking.
    Q you mean Conrad Murray? Dr. Murray?
    A yes. Dr. Murray.
    Q you said Dr. Tohme.
    A oh. Dr. Murray.


    Q now, did you -- do you remember the last day that you saw your father alive?
    A yes.
    Q and when was that?
    A the day before he died.
    Q all right. And do you remember your last conversation?
    A it was when I talked to him on the phone about Randy Phillips being at the house.


    AEG cross

    Q one other question, if I can. You talked about this idea that a time came where you saw Randy Phillips and a person -- we'll get to who in a second -- at the bottom of the stairs where Mr. Phillips was being aggressive with that person. You remember that testimony?
    A yes.
    Q and at times today you said it was Dr. Tohme, at other times you said it was Dr. Murray. Let me ask you a few questions about that. Was Dr. Tohme someone you knew since 2006 when you moved to Las Vegas?
    A I think so.
    Q so that was a person, by the time you arrived in the Carolwood home, you had known for at least three years; right?
    A yes.
    Q in fact, when you moved to Las Vegas, is it true that one of the reasons you moved to Las Vegas was because Dr. Tohme had introduced your father to somebody who made it possible so you could live in the Palm Hotel for a year and a half?
    A Yes, he did.
    Q and this is someone you saw in Vegas,Dr. Tohme; correct?
    A I don't know if I saw him in Vegas.
    Q how did you know he was that person?
    A I met him in Vegas, but I didn't really remember when I saw him. I don't remember if I did.
    Q and Dr. Randy Phillips wasn't someone you met until you moved to Los Angeles; correct?
    A yes.
    Q and as we sit here today, you don't know whether that encounter that you've just mentioned between Randy Phillips and either Dr. Tohme or Dr. Conrad Murray -- you don't know what day that occurred; right?
    A not definite. From what I remember, it was the night before, but I can't tell you -- I can't be 100 percent sure of that.
    Q so you think it might have been the night before that you saw them there?
    A I'm more than, like, sure it was more than likely on the night before, or it was two nights before.
    Q and in fact, do you have any understanding as to whether or not there's been testimony here that the night before, Randy Phillips was at the Staples Center with your dad?
    A no.
    Q do you have any understanding as to whether there was testimony here that -- and the night before that, the 23rd, he was also at the Staples Center?
    A no.
    Q you don't know that?
    A no.

    Q do you remember telling me at your deposition -- strike that. Let me ask you differently. That really bad morning, the 25th, you didn't see your dad that morning; right?
    A no.
    Q do you remember telling us at your deposition that the morning after you believe you saw Randy Phillips with a doctor, whether it was Tohme or Dr. Conrad Murray, you remember saying that the next morning, you talked to your dad about it?
    A excuse me?
    Q you remember telling us at your deposition,that the morning after you saw Randy Phillips in your house, the next morning, you talked to your dad?
    A I don't remember saying that.

    Depo video

    "did you ever tell anybody that Randy was there with Dr. Conrad Murray?
    "my dad.
    "and when did you tell him that?
    "I told him the next morning that I saw him."

    Q by Mr. Putnam: does that refresh your recollection?
    A yes, it does. As I told Brian, that I saw Dr. Conrad and Randy Phillips talking on two occasions, and I believe I said that in my deposition. That was one of the occasions that was previous to his passing.
    Q okay. But do you remember talking to your dad the next morning after this event?
    A yes.
    Q and you didn't talk to your dad the morning of the 25th; correct?
    A no.
    Q so this couldn't have occurred on the 24th; that we now know; right?
    A well, like I said, it happened on two occasions.
    Q I'm sorry. What happened on two occasions?
    A Dr. Conrad and Randy Phillips talking.
    Q okay. And was your dad not there either time?
    A yes.
    Q so there were two times where they talked. You remember telling me there was one time in your depo?
    A I did. And then I cleared it up at the end that I remembered there were two times.
    Q okay. And you're not sure when that occurred; correct?
    A excuse me?
    Q you're not sure when that happened?
    A when the first time happened? No.
    Q and you're not sure when the second time happened, either; right?
    A from what I can remember, it was the night before.
    Q but that second time, that's the time that you said that the next morning you talked to your dad?
    A no. It was the first time.
    Q you think so?
    A yes.

    Jackson redirect

    Q Mr. Phillips, when he was grabbing the arm of that individual, was that Tohme, or was that Conrad Murray?
    A Conrad Murray.
    Q any question in your mind?
    A no. They look completely different.
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    Michael Jackson Jr. Testimony

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    Jackson direct

    Prince gives his name as Michael Joseph Jackson Jr. He explains he was originally named after the family name Prince but when Blanket was born Blanket was named Prince and Prince was named after his father.

    Prince says he’s a little bit nervous as he hasn't testified before, Jackson attorney Panish tells him not to be nervous and he’s among friends. Prince is asked if he knows what it means to give his best testimony truthfully and he replies yes.

    Prince is asked about his age and his birth date and he’s asked about his siblings’ names, ages and birth dates. Prince is asked about which school he goes, summer school, honors, sports he plays, activities he takes part (martial arts and jewelry making), robotics (Prince says he’s a mechanic that builds the robots), grade point average (3.68) . Prince is asked about his college plans and replies he wants to go to USC for film and business or might take mechanical science and business.

    Panish asks Prince about film making, Prince explains he made little movies with his dad, he gave Prince a necklace with a camera lens to find shots and why that is important. Later on he asks Prince other questions and Prince explains he wrote screenplays / scripts with his dad. Michael helped him to unlock thinking with the right side of the brain, how they watched the movies first without sound to analyze the shots and then watch the movie with the sound to see how the sound can make or break the movie.

    Prince is asked about community service, he tells his school requires them to do 20 hours of community service but he does more, he’s part of “Literary Healing” program which provides books to sick children at hospitals. He mentions his dad told him “you should give back to the community and help out as much as you can." and he got his desire to help community from his father.

    Panish asks Prince where he lived. Prince lists Neverland, Paris, Bahrain, Ireland, Dubai, Aspen, New York and Las Vegas. Prince explains they traveled because of Michael’s business deals and Michael did not want to be away from his kids. Prince says they traveled with a nanny (mostly Grace) or a teacher.

    Prince is shown many pictures and some videos and asked to tell about Neverland. He mentions how the court case (2005) ruined Neverland for his father. He talks about Michael dressing them nicely for pictures, he talks about amusement park, the zoo, the poetry etc. When some videos played, Prince says his father did a lot of family movies and gave those movies to them.

    Prince Jackson talking about Neverland: "when my dad bought the house, and he built it, he built it for kids that he wanted to have. He built it for us. He always wanted to make sure it was happy. There was a fireplace lit everywhere, classical music playing. It was a very homey place. You could go there, and you felt at home."

    Prince says he was on “Lost Children” song and he doesn't remember which album that song was on. He says Omer Bhatti – or as they call him monkey- is also on the song with him.

    Prince talking about the piano picture

    Q what are you doing there?
    A he was playing the piano, and I was trying to play with him.
    Q do you like music?
    A I do.
    Q do you want to get into music?
    A I can never play an instrument, and I definitely cannot sing. That's something that my dad was the best at.
    Q he didn't give that to you?
    A no


    Prince talking about education

    Q Was education and learning important to your father?
    A it was always important. If we weren't in school with him, we would be in school with a tutor, or He would be teaching about somebody else's cultures,religions or language so that we could learn and understand why it is buildings are built that way, or how it is that they interact with each other, and be religiously respectful of everybody's different cultures and differences.
    Q did you have, like, a normal school year?
    A yes. I started in the fall and went to spring, six hours a day, including P.E.
    Q all right. Did your father, was he interested in what you were doing every day in school?
    A yes. He wanted to know what we were learning and always to question, think for ourselves, not just be told what was right. To always ask if what we thought to be true, and he always wanted to know how we were doing in school and how we would use that to better the world.
    Q now, other than learning in school, did your father try to teach you outside of school?
    A all the time.
    Q how?
    A if something happened to him, or something happened to us, he would say, "learn from your mistakes. This is a learning experience and never forget."


    Christmas video is played

    Q now, did you learn from your father anything about work?
    A most of my work ethics I learned from my dad. He was always working. If he never worked, he would become depressed or -- he just could not sit still. I don't actually think I've ever sat and relaxed, just sat around and did nothing with him. It's always been work, or we were running, exercising, he was teaching me how to drive, or he was working on music, and we were – or we were working on movies.
    Q would you describe your dad as lazy?
    A that would not come up in any description of him.


    Prince talks about how he and Paris found out how famous Michael was by watching one of the concert videos. Prince is shown a picture and asked about the masks.

    Q did you ever wear masks when you went out in public?
    A yes. When I was with my dad, he used it to make sure nobody knew what we actually looked like so if we went out without him, we could have a normal childhood.
    Q how did you feel about that?
    A when I was little, the masks were annoying because we had these feathers in our face, or they were hot. But now that I get followed by them all the time, I understand why he did it.
    Q was your dad protective of you in public?
    A very.


    Prince is asked about Grace and says she worked for them for 12 years and he’s shown pictures of the kids with Grace. He says Michael let them go out with Grace without him being present. Prince is asked if he saw Paris’s deposition video in which she did not say nice things about Grace. Prince says he saw the video.

    Q do you know why Paris would do that?
    A after the death of my dad, we each had our own difficulties dealing with it. She's having a hard time right now. But I just saw her with Grace the other day, and they were happy, so


    Prince says Grace was terminated by Michael and Prince was told Grace had some personal problems that she had to deal with on her own. He says after Michael died, Katherine asked Grace to comeback and the kids were happy to see a familiar face.

    Prince is asked about living in Las Vegas.

    Q do you know why you moved to Las Vegas?
    A there was a house out in Vegas that my dad wanted to buy for us. Because we were traveling all the time, all of us, me and my brother and sister, we said we wanted a home to live in. And he saw this house that the royal family of Brunei had built, but they did not finish, so he was going to buy it from him. And that's primarily why Dr. Tohme was on the workforce, to get that house
    .


    Prince is asked about a Christmas in Vegas when Michael gave them their dog Kenya.

    Q did your dad like dogs?
    A my dad was scared of dogs. He was terrified. But he got him for us, and he ended up liking Kenya. That's the only dog I'll ever touch.


    Panish mentions “you are my life” song and he plays a video montage asking Prince to tell them about the photos and what is happening.

    Prince says they were very happy in Vegas. Then they come to Los Angeles because Michael was going on a tour, Prince says he thinks the tour was called The O2. Prince says they lived at a hotel for a while and then they moved to the Carolwood house before Christmas and they were at Carolwood house for Christmas time.

    Prince is asked if he knows Dr. Tohme and Randy Phillips. He replies yes.

    Q did you know anything about the business deal involving AEG and your father?
    A no. But from what he told me, he wasn't happy with it.
    Q as far as what the terms were, all that --
    A no.
    Q -- that wasn't something you were involved with?
    A no.
    Q now, even though you were young, did your father confide in you at all about his dealings with Randy Phillips, AEG live, and Dr. Tohme?
    A yes.


    Prince says his father, his siblings and sometimes monkey (Omer Bhatti) lived at the house. He says they had a nanny (Sister Rose and Grace).

    Q and do you know whether your father was excited about the tour?
    A he was very excited about the tour, because he was about to go on tour again. This would be one of --probably the last time we would be able to see him on tour and that we would be able to see him perform.
    Q and were you excited about it?
    A I was very excited about it.
    Q had you ever seen your dad perform live before?
    A I think once when I was little, but it wasn't at an age to remember the whole thing.
    Q did your dad like to do rehearsals and preparing?
    A all the time.
    Q did there ever come a time when you believed your father wasn't happy with the way things were going?
    A with rehearsals?
    Q yes.
    A he would come home from rehearsals always happy about how they were going. He just wished he had more time for rehearsals and that he could have more rehearsals to work.



    Q now, did you ever see your father on the phone become upset?
    A a lot of times.
    Q do you know who he was speaking with?
    A it changed. Most of the time it was randy Phillips or Dr. Tohme, from what I know. Or he had just gotten off the phone, and someone must have told him something about them.
    Q so when your father got off the phone, did his demeanor -- how was his demeanor?
    A he would get off the phone. He would cry sometimes. And after he got off the phone with them, he would cry.
    Q was he upset?
    A yes. He would say, "they're going to kill me.They're going to kill me."
    Q when your father was getting off the phone and crying, did he say something immediately while he was crying?
    A yes, he would.
    Q did he say who he was referring to?
    A when I asked him who, he said AEG. live, Randy Phillips, mostly, and then he said Dr. Tohme.


    Prince says his dad become more and more upset as the time went on.

    Q did you consider your father to be a fighter?
    A no. My dad didn't fight. He was like my grandma. He was too kind to fight anybody. That's why he called my grandpa.


    Prince talks when they were living in Bel Air hotel Michael got in a fight with Tohme on the phone and he tried to fire Tohme. Prince says Michael yelled and cursed at Tohme. Prince says, he and Paris applauded Michael because they did not like being around Tohme because he gave a bad energy and he made Michael upset. Prince says to his knowledge Bel Air was the last time Michael talked to Tohme.

    Q and did you know -- at any time do you know whether your father terminated or stopped his relationship with Tohme?
    A to my understanding, the bel air hotel was the last time he actually ever talked to Dr. Tohme. After that, I don't know if he did. But then two days, I recall, before he died, he said Dr. Tohme got the house I was talking about earlier, and that's why he let Dr. Tohme back.
    Q okay. Explain what you mean by "got the house."
    A uhm, I don't know, like, the details of it, or the real estate part of it, but my dad was trying to purchase the house because the sultan of Brunei is not supposed to own property in Las Vegas because of religious beliefs. And, I don't know, I think sometime
    It got tied up in legal terms. But from what I understand, Dr. Tohme was finally able to buy the house.
    Q okay. And do you know if he ever did get the house?
    A no. I don't believe he did


    Panish asks Prince if he knows Dr. Murray and he says yes. Prince says he first met Murray at the Vegas house and Murray came over multiple times to treat them for sicknesses. He says Murray did not spend the night in Vegas house.

    Panish asks about Carolwood and Prince says it was first Cheryl Lee who came to the Carolwood house. He says Lee would give Michael IV’s in the living room. Prince says they saw Murray around more and Lee no longer came to the house.

    Q and how often would Dr. Murray come to your home?
    A from what I remember, he would come over every day except sunday night.
    Q did any other doctor come over and spend that much time with your father?
    A no.
    Q would Dr. Murray spend the night at your home?
    A in Carolwood, yes.
    Q and what did you see Dr. Murray doing?
    A I never -- in the beginning when he was downstairs, I saw him giving my dad an IV injection of clear liquid.
    Q you know what was in the IV?
    A I only thought IVs were for vitamins.
    Q when Dr. Murray would come to the house, where would he go with your father?
    A when he first started treating my dad he would do it in the library or the sitting room next to the entrance. And then later on, he did it in the second bedroom upstairs.


    Prince is shown a diagram of the second floor of the house and is asked to explain the rooms. He mentions master bedroom and how Michael wrote notes that consist of song lyrics and messages he copied from spiritual leaders. 2 of the notes which says “love no violence ever” and “I’m so grateful that I’m a magnet for miracles” is shown.

    Prince shows his and Paris’s bedrooms on the diagram. Prince mentions Blanket would go back and forth and sleep either in Prince or Paris’s room.

    Panish asks about Blanket and how he got the name Blanket.

    Q what does blanket like to do?
    A my brother also does martial arts. He excels at school, plays video games with me and some of my cousins. And we go out, go to parks; we play basketball.
    Q I want to ask you something. How did he get the name blanket?
    A uhm, with monkey's family, I don't know if it was his stepdad, but we always used to say "blanket," blanket meant blessing. So if we said, "big blankets," it was "big blessing to you."
    So when my brother was born, my dad called him a blessing, and that's how he got the name blanket.
    Q so it wasn't he was running around wrapped up in blankets or anything?
    A no.


    Prince is asked where his father and Murray would be and Prince says it is labeled as “second floor bedroom 2” on the diagram.

    Prince says it is his understanding that the door was locked when Michael was in there. Prince mentions he tried the door once and it was locked. He heard Michael was mediating with an Indian spiritual healer over Skype and that’s why the door was locked so that he can focus.

    Prince says he saw IV holders and oxygen tanks. Prince says the oxygen tanks were right in front of the house either by the front of the stairs or out back by the security office. Prince says he did not see oxygen tanks before Carolwood house.

    Q were you concerned when you saw Dr. Murray at your house so often?
    A no. I was 12, and to my understanding, he was supposed to keep -- make sure my dad stayed healthy.



    Q now, Dr. Murray, do you know whether anyone ever gave him any payment or money?
    A my dad used to give me cash, a couple hundreds, and he used to say AEG. -- he feels so bad for Dr. Murray because AEG. isn't paying him. They're supposed to, but they haven't paid him yet, so, here, take him this. And my dad would give him like –

    Mr. Putnam: objection. Hearsay, your honor.
    The court: sustained.

    Q by Mr. Panish: okay. Did you have an understanding of why you were giving money to Dr. Murray?
    A because I guess, you know, for essentials: food, water and gas money.
    Q how much did you give him?
    A my dad used to give me a couple hundred, like that much (indicating), but he would only take half.

    Q did you ever see randy Phillips at your house before your father died?
    A yes. A couple of times.
    Q did it surprise you to see him?
    A uhm, sometimes it did, because he would come up unannounced when my dad wasn't at the house.
    Q okay. Who was randy -- was randy Phillips with anyone at the home?
    A he would come either with Dr. Tohme, or sometimes he would come with some other men I didn't recognize.
    Q did you ever see him speaking to anyone at your house?
    A I saw him talking to Dr. Tohme once by the stairs where -- when he came by himself one day.
    Q did you ever see him speaking to Dr. Conrad Murray when your father wasn't present?
    A that's when he talked to Dr. Murray only. I saw him talk to him twice, and that time when he came by himself, he was speaking to him in hushed whispers. I was bringing him water, and he was talking to
    Dr. Murray. He was grabbing his elbow and looked aggressive to me.
    Q could you hear what they were saying?
    A no.
    Q how was Mr. Phillips's demeanor when he was speaking to Conrad Murray?
    A he was grabbing him by the back of the elbow, and they were really close, and he was making hand motions.
    Q did it surprise you?
    A yes, a little.
    Q where was your father at?
    A I believe he was at rehearsals.
    Q was this in the day or the nighttime?
    A closer to the night. That's when Dr. Murray came around.
    Q now, do you know exactly what day that was?
    A no.
    Q do you have a recollection of when it was?
    A when he came by himself, no. But when he came with the other men and Dr. Tohme, I remember it to be the night before my dad died.
    Q and there's been testimony all over the place. Are you absolutely sure that was the day?
    A I am not. I can't really remember. It was either the night before or two nights before.

    Q all right. Now, were there other occasions when you saw randy Phillips at your home?
    A not that I can remember.
    Q all right. Other than what you've already told us?
    A yes.
    Q now, when you saw -- at any time when Mr. Phillips was there, did you contact your father?
    A the night that I think was before he died, I called him up from a security phone.
    Q okay. Don't tell us what he said. Just, did you contact him?
    A yes.
    Q okay. Did you do something -- put that aside. Did you do anything else for Mr. Phillips or anyone else he was with at that time?
    A I came in. And I asked them if he would like something to drink or eat, and they said no. But my dad always told me to bring out, like, chips or salsa or hors d'oeuvres, something like that. So I went in the kitchen to get hors d'oeuvres for them, chips or salsa.
    Q is that when you called your father?
    A this was before -- this was after I called him.
    Q all right. And don't tell me what he said, but what did
    You do after that?
    A I went and got the chips and salsa, and then randy Phillips was talking to Dr. Tohme again at the bottom of the stairs, grabbing his elbow again and talking.
    Q you mean Conrad Murray? Dr. Murray?
    A yes. Dr. Murray.
    Q you said Dr. Tohme.
    A oh. Dr. Murray.
    Q you know if Dr. Tohme, is he a medical doctor?
    A from what I heard, he's not even a real doctor.
    Q were you surprised that Tohme was at your house?
    A I was surprised that they were all at my house.
    Q why were you surprised that Tohme was there?
    A because I haven't seen Tohme in a while, and, I mean, I still didn't like Dr. Tohme. Or just Tohme.



    Q now, let's talk about june 2009. I know you're not great with dates, and I know you were 12 years old at that time. As far as you could tell, how was your father's health from a 12-year-old perspective?
    A from my perspective back then, I thought he was healthy. I didn't see him eat a lot, but that was something -- he ate by himself a lot, so I didn't know if he was eating at rehearsals. I knew he was working a lot. But I looked at pictures from my grandma and grandfather's anniversary, and he was really, really skinny, almost malnourished.
    Q okay. In the last part of his life, last few weeks, did you notice anything unusual about his health?
    A some days he would come downstairs and say he's freezing cold, and it was during the summer, so I didn't know why he would be cold. And some days he would say he's hot. He was -- his temperature, body temperature was up and down. His strength would sometimes give out. He was definitely not strong enough


    Q now, did you -- do you remember the last day that you saw your father alive?
    A yes.
    Q and when was that?
    A the day before he died.
    Q all right. And do you remember your last conversation?
    A it was when I talked to him on the phone about randy Phillips being at the house


    Prince is then asked about June 25th. Prince says he was in the sitting room with his siblings and Sister Rose. He heard a scream from upstairs and running down the stairs. Prince says he went to the kitchen to see what was going on. He saw Murray run right back up the stairs. Kai told him Murray wants you upstairs and Alberto Alvarez had just came inside the house. Prince says he ran upstairs and saw Murray doing CPR on his dad on the bed. He says his dad was hanging halfway off the bed, and his eyes kind of rolled in the back of his head, and Dr. Conrad was screaming and doing C.P.R. Prince says Alberto came to the room shortly after he did and Paris followed him. He says Paris and he were kept downstairs. Prince says Paris was screaming saying she wanted her daddy, Prince says he was sitting at the bottom of the stairs crying and waiting for the ambulance. He says paramedics came, took Michael out and they followed the ambulance. Prince says he tried to comfort his siblings by saying “angels are still watching over him, and there have to be angels all over.” He says he was optimistic. Prince says he was in a room in the hospital with Sister Rose, his siblings and a security guard. He says Frank Dileo and Conrad Murray came into the room. Murray told them “Sorry kids. Dad’s dead” and Dileo told them he had a heart attack. Prince says they just cried.

    Prince is asked about the memorial service and says Paris’s speech wasn’t planned, she just grabbed the mic and said something. (video is played).

    Panish asks about adjustment after Michael died. Prince says he lives in Calabasas with his siblings, his grandmother Katherine and his cousin Trent. He says his guardians are his cousin TJ and his grandmother. He’s shown a picture from Gary and explains they go to Gary for memorial. He’s also shown other pictures including Prince’s visit to Germany Bambi awards. He’s asked about his work with E! Channel and he talks about his interview with cast of Oz. Pictures from Cirque event etc are shown.

    After the morning break Panish asks Prince about his loss.

    Q and your grandmother are your current guardians?
    A yes, they are.
    Q and are they doing the best they can to help you and your brother and your sister?
    A yes.
    Q and is it the same as your father?
    A excuse me?
    Q is it the same as having your father there?
    A I mean, nothing will ever be the same.
    Q now, I want to talk a little bit about how you have been affected by the loss of the love, affection, support and guidance of your father. Can you tell us about that, please?
    A I -- I mean, me myself?
    Q yes.
    A I can't sleep at night. I have a hard time sleeping.
    Q anything else?
    A uhm, for a while after he died, I became emotionally distant from a lot of people.
    Q are there things that you want to share with your father that you're not able to?
    A yes, there is.
    Q like what?
    A I mean, there's the first day of going to school; there's having the first girlfriend; there's being able to drive; getting in the national honor society; all the artwork that I finished in jewelry, in metal. Yeah.
    Q do you think that -- well, strike that. Do you think your dad would be proud of you for being on the robotics team?
    A maybe. I tried to make him proud.
    Q let's talk about Paris. How has Paris been affected by the loss of the love, care, society, affection and guidance?
    A I think of all of my siblings, she was hit the hardest, because she was my dad's princess. I think without that, it really hurt her a lot. And she – she definitely is dealing with it in her own way for that.
    Q is your sister going through some rough times?
    A she is.
    Q are you and your family trying to help her any way you can?
    A yes. Especially my cousin, TJ
    Q all right. And how about, does you or blanket -- you or Paris, do you have birthday parties anymore?
    A me and my sister, we don't celebrate birthdays. It's something we only did with our dad, and it wouldn't be the same without him.
    Q now, how about blanket? Now, we asked about him. Does he ever have birthday parties?
    A yes, he does.
    Q does he like that?
    A yes.
    Q can you just tell us, what do you see that Blanket has lost with your father?
    A right now I don't know if blanket realizes what he lost because he was so young. But, uhm, I mean, my brother is still growing up, just like I am, and he doesn't have a father to guide him or tell him, like,
    Tell him what's right from wrong. I mean, he has that, but nothing like how my dad would do it, or someone to talk to about when he goes to school.
    Q are you all doing the best that you can?
    A yes.
    Q do you miss your dad a lot?
    A yes.
    Q is there ever a day that you don't?
    A no.



    AEG Cross

    Putnam starts the cross by saying he only has a few questions to Prince. He asks about Michael paying Murray

    Q the first one I want to ask you about is, you talked about this idea of your dad paying Dr. Conrad Murray.
    A yes, I did.
    Q you remember talking about that? You saw your dad pay Dr. Conrad Murray himself a couple times, didn't you?
    A my dad tried to, but he would never take the money.
    Q you never saw your dad actually give him the money?
    A I saw my dad offer it to him. I didn't see Dr. Conrad take it.
    Mr. Panish: I'm going to object. Vague as to time.
    Mr. Putnam: anytime.
    The witness: anytime? He could have, but I don't remember.


    Putnam plays Prince’s deposition

    "Did you ever see your father pay Dr. Conrad Murray?
    "I've seen him a couple times.
    "and did he pay him in cash?
    "this is in the -- he did only a couple times in the Carolwood
    House, but mostly for -- in Vegas.
    "and in the Carolwood house, did he pay him in cash, do you know?
    "he -- Dr. Conrad never took cash.
    "what did he take?
    "he never took cash from my dad. Like, my dad would give -- he would give us cash and say, 'give it to Dr. Murray,' and then Dr. Murray would only take a portion of it."


    Q by Mr. Putnam: all right. So let me ask you the question again. does that refresh your recollection as to whether or not your father ever paid Dr. Conrad Murray cash in Las Vegas?
    A in Las Vegas, my dad did pay him once.
    Q it was once?
    A yes. Before we started the business contract.
    Q what do you mean by that, sir?
    A before I was aware that he had signed to do the 02 arenas.
    A that's when Dr. Conrad was treating us.
    Q so that was in Las Vegas; right, sir?
    A yes.
    Q and at that time your father paid him in cash?
    A yes, he did.
    Q and you saw your father do that?
    A yes. But like I said, most of the time Dr. Conrad wouldn't take it, and he would give it to us to give to him.
    Q so when you said the answer, and when I said, "and did he pay him in cash?" your answer was "this was in the -- he did a couple of times in the Carolwood house, but mostly for in Vegas." the "mostly for" was just one time?
    A yes, from what I remember.
    Q and you indicated something there. I asked at another point in your deposition, I said -- so I was trying to understand the difference between paying cash in Vegas and paying cash in Los Angeles. Do you remember me asking you whether your father would give it to him there in Vegas, and do you remember telling me, "yes, in Vegas he would also give him cash"? Do you remember saying that?
    A not word for word, but I remember saying something like that, yes.
    Q but when you said those words, those are the exact words, you just meant that one time?
    A from what I remember, yes.
    Q and do you remember whether your father ever paid Dr. Conrad Murray with checks?
    A I don't think so.
    Q and why do you not think so?
    A because I never saw it.
    Q so you never saw your dad pay with checks?
    A no.
    Q and in all the times that you were treated by Dr. Conrad Murray in Las Vegas, the only time you ever saw your dad pay Dr. Conrad Murray was once in cash?
    A from what I remember, yes.
    Q now, did your father ever pay Dr. Conrad Murray with cash in Los Angeles?
    A not directly.
    Q what do you mean, "not directly"?
    A he never gave him the cash, that I can remember. He always had us give it to him.
    Q he would have you give Dr. Conrad Murray cash?
    A yes.
    Q what do you mean by that?
    A like I said at my deposition, he would give us the cash, a couple hundreds, and I would take it to Dr. Murray, and Dr. Murray would only take a portion of it.
    Q and did you have an understanding as to why your dad was giving you money to give Dr. Conrad Murray as opposed to giving it himself?
    A from what he told me --
    Q I'm not going to ask what he told you. Do you have an understanding?
    A oh, yes. Yes.
    Q do you know why he was asking you, his son, to give the doctor cash, as opposed to giving it himself? Do you have an understanding as to why he wouldn't give it himself?
    A yes.
    Q what was your understanding as to why he wouldn't give it to him himself?
    A from what he said or what -- from what my understanding was?
    Q from what your understanding was.
    A that I don't think Dr. Conrad wanted to take money from my dad because he felt bad.
    Q so your dad felt more likely he would take the cash from you?
    A yes.
    Q did he give the cash in an envelope?
    A no.
    Q how would he give you the cash?
    A just cash.
    Q and just hand you cash?
    A yes.
    Q and you said hundreds?
    A couple hundreds.
    Q were these like $100 bills?
    A yes.
    Q so he would give you $100 bills and ask you to give them to Dr. Conrad Murray?
    A yes.
    Q and would it be -- was it clipped together? Was it in anything?
    A sometimes he would wrap a rubber band around them.
    Q and so if I understand it, there would be bills, and they would be rolled up like in a wad?
    A no. It was flat.
    Q flat with a band around it?
    A yes.
    Q so you said it was like this flat with a band (indicating), and you would hand it over to him?
    A like a rubber band.
    Q and that was something that he would ask you to do with Dr. Conrad Murray; correct?
    A me and my sister.
    Q and your sister?
    A yes.
    Q so the two of you at times would give this stack of cash with the rubber bands to Dr. Conrad Murray?
    A I don't know if you would consider it a stack, but yes.
    Q you said like this (indicating). Is that what you're talking about?
    A about like this (indicating).
    Q and they were hundreds?
    A yes.
    Q and do you remember how many times you did that?
    A I remember only a couple of times that I did it myself with my sister.
    Q and by a "couple of times," do you remember at your deposition saying it could be as many as 10 times?
    A yes.
    Q so you think about 10 times you gave him that kind of stack of cash?
    A yes. He didn't always take the cash, and if he did, he only took a portion.
    Q okay.
    And in Las Vegas, did your father ever give you cash to give to Dr. Conrad Murray?
    A that's where it started, yes.
    Q it started in Vegas?
    A yes.
    Q all right. So the first time your father ever did this, asking you to give cash to Dr. Conrad Murray, was in Las Vegas?
    A yes, from what I remember.
    Q and you left Las Vegas sometime prior to christmas 2008; right?
    A I believe so.


    Putnam says he wants to ask Prince about people that worked at Carolwood. They go over that Kai Chase worked at Carolwood and then a male chef worked there and later Kai Chase came back. Prince says neither Kai Chase or the male chef wasn’t allowed upstairs. Prince is asked about Nurse Lee and he says she gave him IV at the downstairs and wasn’t allowed upstairs. Prince is asked about Sister Rose. Prince says initially Sister Rose was allowed upstairs but sometime in 2009 no one was allowed upstairs. Prince is asked about security and he replies the security almost never came into the house. Prince says the housekeepers weren’t allowed upstairs and only Conrad Murray was allowed upstairs.

    Prince is asked about the bedroom and the lock on the door. Prince says the first time he realized the door was locked when Michael was mediating with an Indian guru – before Murray. Putnam says Prince told them something different in his deposition and his deposition is played:

    "I believe so.
    "and how did you know the second floor bedroom had a lock?
    "because the first time he went to sleep with Dr. Conrad, we were trying to play hide and go seek, and when I tried to open the door and hide in it, it was locked."


    Q by Mr. Putnam: so this talks about the idea that you knew the second floor bedroom had a lock because the first time he went to sleep with Dr. Conrad Murray, you were playing hide and seek, and tried to open the door to hide in the room, and that was locked?
    A yes.
    Q and that's a different time than the other time; correct?
    A yes. It was after.
    Q so the first time, then, wasn't here -- how you came to know that the second floor bedroom had a lock was not this time, but sometime before? That's how you came to know this?
    A all the bedrooms had a lock on it. I just didn't know he would lock it. I knew he locked it for meditation; I didn't know he would lock it for medication.
    Q I'm sorry. What was that?
    A for medication when he was being treated by Dr. Cheryl lee, he never had a look on that door. There were no doors, and he did it in the open. The same thing for Dr. Conrad. When he started it, he did it in the open, and when he went upstairs, we had no idea he locked the door.
    Q and you came to understand he locked the door with Dr. Conrad Murray because you were playing hide and seek, and you tried to get in, and the door was locked?
    A yes.



    Prince says the door was locked all the time his father and Murray were there and he did not try to get in the room after the hide & seek.

    Putnam asks about Phillips.

    Q one other question, if I can. You talked about this idea that a time came where you saw randy Phillips and a person -- we'll get to who in a second -- at the bottom of the stairs where Mr. Phillips was being aggressive with that person. You remember that testimony?
    A yes.
    Q and at times today you said it was Dr. Tohme, at other times you said it was Dr. Murray. Let me ask you a few questions about that.
    Was Dr. Tohme someone you knew since 2006 when you moved to Las Vegas?
    A I think so.
    Q so that was a person, by the time you arrived in the Carolwood home, you had known for at least three years; right?
    A yes.
    Q in fact, when you moved to Las Vegas, is it true that one of the reasons you moved to Las Vegas was because Dr. Tohme had introduced your father to somebody who made it possible so you could live in the palm hotel for a year and a half?
    A yes, he did.
    Q and this is someone you saw in Vegas, Dr. Tohme; correct?
    A I don't know if I saw him in Vegas.
    Q how did you know he was that person?
    A I met him in Vegas, but I didn't really remember when I saw him. I don't remember if I did.
    Q and Dr. Randy Phillips wasn't someone you met until you moved to Los Angeles; correct?
    A yes.
    Q and as we sit here today, you don't know whether that encounter that you've just mentioned between randy Phillips and either Dr. Tohme or Dr. Conrad Murray -- you don't know what day that
    Occurred; right?
    A not definite. From what I remember, it was the night before, but I can't tell you -- I can't be 100 percent sure of that.
    Q so you think it might have been the night before that you saw them there?
    A I'm more than, like, sure it was more than likely on the night before, or it was two nights before.
    Q and in fact, do you have any understanding as to whether or not there's been testimony here that the night before, randy Phillips was at the staples center with your dad?
    A no.
    Q do you have any understanding as to whether there was testimony here that -- and the night before that, the 23rd, he was also at the staples center?
    A no.
    Q you don't know that?
    A no.
    Q do you remember telling me at your deposition -- strike that. Let me ask you differently. That really bad morning, the 25th, you didn't see your dad that morning; right?
    A no.
    Q do you remember telling us at your deposition that the morning after you believe you saw randy Phillips with a doctor, whether it was Tohme or Dr. Conrad Murray, you remember saying that the next morning, you talked to your dad about it?
    A excuse me?
    Q you remember telling us at your deposition, that the morning after you saw randy Phillips in your house, the next morning, you talked to your dad?
    A I don't remember saying that.
    Q okay. Let me just show you your depo, if I can.


    Deposition

    "Did you ever tell anybody that randy was there with Dr. Conrad
    Murray?
    "my dad.
    "and when did you tell him that?
    "I told him the next morning that I saw him."



    Q by Mr. Putnam: does that refresh your recollection?
    A yes, it does. As I told Brian, that I saw Dr. Conrad and randy Phillips talking on two occasions, and I believe I said that in my deposition. That was one of the occasions that was previous to his passing.
    Q okay. But do you remember talking to your dad the next morning after this event?
    A yes.
    Q and you didn't talk to your dad the morning of the 25th; correct?
    A no.
    Q so this couldn't have occurred on the 24th; that we now know; right?
    A well, like I said, it happened on two occasions.
    Q I'm sorry. What happened on two occasions?
    A Dr. Conrad and randy Phillips talking.
    Q okay. And was your dad not there either time?
    A yes.
    Q so there were two times where they talked. You remember telling me there was one time in your depo?
    A I did. And then I cleared it up at the end, that I remembered there were two times.
    Q okay. And you're not sure when that occurred; correct?
    A excuse me?
    Q you're not sure when that happened?
    A when the first time happened? No.
    Q and you're not sure when the second time happened, either; right?
    A from what I can remember, it was the night before.
    Q but that second time, that's the time that you said that the next morning you talked to your dad?
    A no. It was the first time.
    Q you think so?
    A yes.
    Q and if a person came to your house, and your dad wasn't there, how did they get in?
    A security would let them in.
    Q just let them in?
    A for people like randy Phillips and Dr. Tohme, and people from AEG., they got let in. But people like my grandpa, they turned away.
    Q so some people would just get let in, and other people got turned away?
    A yes.


    Jackson redirect


    Panish asks Prince how long his deposition and says Putnam said it was only 2 hours. Putnam responds saying I said it was 2 + 2 hours. Panish asks Prince if he was scared during his deposition, Prince says “not so much scared”. He says he didn’t know he had to wear a suit and it’s not a type of thing he wanted to spend his weekend doing. Panish asks about when the deposition started and ended, how many break Prince took and so on. (First day was a Saturday started at 10:36 AM ended at 2:25 PM. They took 2 breaks 11:28 to 11:44 and 12:23 to 1:04. Second one was a weekday during school and Prince was pull out from school for it. It started at 2:00 PM and ended at 5:12 PM. They took 2 breaks.) The whole deposition was 353 pages.

    Q okay. And did they take your sister into a deposition for seven hours?
    A I don't know how long hers was. But after I did mine, I told TJ that she shouldn't be able to do that.
    Q and did your sister have some problems after her deposition?
    A she had some problems before, after, and I assume during.
    Q she had some emotional problems after the deposition?
    A yes.


    Panish ask Prince who questioned Paris and he says Mr. Putnam, he doesn’t know if Ms. Robinson also questioned Paris. Prince says Paris was going to give her deposition at Putnam’s office but TJ petitioned it to be done in the jury room.

    Panish wants to play a part of Prince’s deposition.

    Q Mr. Phillips, when he was grabbing the arm of that individual, was that Tohme, or was that Conrad Murray?
    A Conrad Murray.
    Q any question in your mind?
    A no. They look completely different.
    Q that is true.
    All right. Now, when you were at -- talking in your deposition about the cash that your father had been giving -- or, excuse me. The cash your father gave you to give to Dr. Murray, and you were trying to complete your answer, did Mr. Putnam cut you off in the deposition?
    A not that I can remember, but he could have.
    Q I mean, at the trial right now.
    A at the trial? Yes.
    Q okay. Without telling us what anyone said, did you have an understanding as to why your father gave you some $100 bills to give to Dr. Murray?
    A yes.
    Q what was that?
    A that Dr. Murray was not getting paid and that he needed some money to get -- we're talking about at Carolwood; right?
    Q right.
    A that he was not getting paid. He was supposed to be and that my dad was giving him some money to help him get paid until he got a paycheck.
    Q do you know who was supposed to pay?
    A AEG


    Deposition video:

    "and what kind -- so your dad would give you money to give to Dr. Conrad Murray?
    "yes.
    "did he also do that in Vegas?
    "in Vegas, he would give it to him with us there.
    "okay. And in Vegas, would he also give him cash?
    "yes.
    "did -- to your knowledge, did he ever pay him with a check?
    "I wouldn't know.
    "okay. So to your knowledge, all you ever saw him pay him with was cash?
    "yes.
    "and in Vegas, did he ever give you money to give to Dr. Conrad Murray?
    "no.
    "did you have an understanding as to why he started doing that at Carolwood?
    "he felt bad for him.
    "what do you mean?
    "something was going on with Dr. Murray's finances. I don't think he was getting paid for what he was doing.
    "


    Panish asks about Nurse Lee. Prince says Nurse Lee only gave IV’s to his father.

    Q did you have an understanding of what that IV was for?
    A I thought it was for my dad so he could get the proteins he needed while he was burning through so much.


    AEG recross


    Putnam asks Prince about his deposition. Prince says he came with his grandmother, TJ and a security guard. Putnam asks Prince if he knows they did the deposition on a Saturday so the paparazzi would not be around, Prince says he thinks it was on a Saturday because of school. Putnam asks if Prince is aware his lawyers agreed to have it Saturday, Prince says he doesn’t know. Putnam asks if Prince remembers there was big spread laid out for lunch for him, Prince says yes. He says he doesn’t remember Katherine thanking them for being so accommodating. Prince confirms that a second room was set up for their team to speak privately if needed. Putnam says the deposition on the first day took a little over 2 hours when the breaks were taken out. Putnam asks if the deposition ended the first day because Prince decided he was tired and Prince says yes. Putnam asks if it was Prince who asked to continue it another day and he says yes. Putnam asks about the second part of the deposition and if took around 2 hours. Prince says he has no idea but it felt longer. Putnam asks if Prince was asked any other questions between his deposition and testimony and he says no.

    Putnam asks about Paris’s deposition and if it happened in the jury room because Jacksons wanted it to happen there. Prince says yes. Putnam asks if he knows Paris’s deposition ended because she was tired, Prince doesn’t know. Putnam asks if Prince is aware her deposition continued in the offices of Putnam because Jackson lawyers agreed it wasn’t necessary to do it in the jury room. Prince doesn’t know. Putnam asks Prince if he knows “whether your counsel stipulated on the record that the deposition had been done absolutely appropriately and that nothing untoward or unsavory had occurred during the deposition”,Prince says he doesn’t know.

    Jackson redirect

    Q okay. Now, Mr. Putnam, did he try to be mean to you in the deposition?
    A I don't know how you would characterize being "mean."
    Q let me ask you this: do you think he was being a lawyer representing his client the best he could?
    A as a defense lawyer, yes.
    Q what does that mean?
    A uhm, that's not how I would want to spend my Saturday.
    Q all right. Fair enough. But Mr. Putnam wasn't mean to you; right?
    A I don't -- I'm not used to dealing with lawyers, so I don't know what "mean" or –
    Q all right. I will say it. Mr. Putnam, as far as I'm concerned, was not mean to you; okay?
    A yes.
    Q we will agree to that; all right? One thing we can agree on; all right?
    A yeah.


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