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Thread: Verdict Reached: AEG NOT Liable - Discussion- Katherine Jackson vs AEG

   
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    Default Re: Verdict Watch - Discussion- Katherine Jackson vs AEG

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Apple2 View Post
    Were Murray's "duties" spelled out in the contract? That's my question.

    Also, wasn't it Michael, himself, that said AEG should offer Murray $150,000.00 per month and wasn't that money going to be paid from Michael's share of the proceeds?

    Well according to Gongaware's email AEG was paying Murray's salary not MJ... that's what he said in the email

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    Default Re: Verdict Watch - Discussion- Katherine Jackson vs AEG

    Quote Originally Posted by LastTear View Post
    General medical care.
    Thanks LastTear, i.e. general medical care.

    If that's the case, I would have to say YES, Murray was qualified to perform "general medical care."

    Case in point, Michael first met Murray because the children were not feeling well. Murray performed general medical care and I'm guessing that everything turned out alright. Right?

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    Default Re: Verdict Watch - Discussion- Katherine Jackson vs AEG

    Quote Originally Posted by jaydom7 View Post
    Well according to Gongaware's email AEG was paying Murray's salary not MJ... that's what he said in the email
    Yeah, but we all know that NOBODY was paying Murray's salary. So, in my opinion, that email is moot.

    If AEG did in fact pay Murray any money, then it would be a wrap. Whole different set of circumstances, in my opinion.

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    Default Re: Verdict Watch - Discussion- Katherine Jackson vs AEG

    Question 2 is a tricky one indeed.
    Question 2:
    Was Murray unfit or incompetent to perform the work for which he was hired?


    • Which work was he hired for?
      • General medical care?
        • Of MJ?
        • Of MJ and his kids?
        • Was Murray unfit or incompetent for general medical care?

      • Some special treatment (including propofol infusion)?
        • Was Murray unfit or incompetent for that special treatment (including propofol infusion)?
        • Did AEG hire Murray for that special treatment (including propofol infusion)?
          • Did plaintiffs prove there was a contract for that special treatment?
          • Did plaintiffs prove there was an oral agreement for that special treatment?
          • Did plaintiffs prove there was a draft agreement for that special treatment?
          • Did plaintiffs prove that defendants had any knowledge or should have had about that special treatment?
          • Did plaintiffs prove that defendants had any say in Murray's special treatment?
          • Did plaintiffs prove that Murray thought he was performing the work for AEG Live?
          • Did plaintiffs prove that Murray requested any money for his work from AEG Live?
          • Did plaintiffs prove that Murray received any money for his work from AEG Live?
          • Did plaintiffs prove that the money that was budgeted for Murray was on AEG Live's request?
          • Did plaintiffs prove that the money that was budgeted for Murray was for that special treatment?

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    Default Re: Verdict Watch - Discussion- Katherine Jackson vs AEG

    Quote Originally Posted by ivy
    Question No. 1
    Did AEG Live hire Murray?

    Yes / No
    In my opinion, this question can go either way.

    I say that because "some" folks are sticklers for a SIGNED document and "some" folks believe that a HANDSHAKE is sufficient when doing business.

    In America we are over saturated with courtroom programs like: Judge Judy, Judge Milan, Judge Mathis, and Judge Alex (to name a few), and the first question they ALWAYS ask is "do you have anything in writing." I watch those programs and I'm sure members of the jury watch those programs as well.

    Lastly, what is the language in the contract that explains why Michael's signature was needed to COMPLETE the deal?

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    Default Re: Verdict Watch - Discussion- Katherine Jackson vs AEG

    If AEG went to Michael and said b Michael this is your doctor this is the guy we want then you could have said they should should have known. But Michael bought Murray to them

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    Default Re: Verdict Watch - Discussion- Katherine Jackson vs AEG

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Apple2 View Post
    I'm gonna start with Question No. 2: what exactly was Murray "officially hired" to do?

    Did the contract spell out what Murray's duties would have been?
    I also keep asking the same question to myself. The contract said "general care", if we are determining on that Murray was competent but if we are looking it from the perspective of anesthesia / insomnia he wasn't competent.

    I agree that these questions look simple but not that simple.

    Quote Originally Posted by jaydom7 View Post
    by asking... Murray wanted $150,000 per month... my question would've been what exactly will you be doing that entails that much money? also since MJ was deemed 'fine and healthy' during his physical what the hell are you needed for? especially being a cardiologist for a man with no heart problems
    Quote Originally Posted by LastTear View Post
    By asking would be a true invasion of Michaels privacy rights. Would you like your employer to be given a run down on all your personal medical issues. Who better to take care of an athlete than a cardiologist?
    well they did ask a little bit and Michael replied saying his body was the machine and it needed to be taken care of. Specifics of any treatment is private under doctor patient privacy laws. Even asked both Michael and Murray would have refused to answer and it would be an acceptable behavior.

    Quote Originally Posted by LastTear View Post
    But that money is not coming out of their pockets, it doesn't effect them - its Michaels money.
    Quote Originally Posted by Big Apple2 View Post
    Also, wasn't it Michael, himself, that said AEG should offer Murray $150,000.00 per month and wasn't that money going to be paid from Michael's share of the proceeds?
    Quote Originally Posted by jaydom7 View Post
    Well according to Gongaware's email AEG was paying Murray's salary not MJ... that's what he said in the email
    Even though Gongaware wrote "we are paying his salary", this wasn't told to Murray and they weren't paying him anything. Even though they did, they would have gotten the money back from Michael. So technically AEG would have advanced Murray's salary.
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    Default Re: Verdict Watch - Discussion- Katherine Jackson vs AEG

    I really wish Katherine would've sued Murray for malpractice.. I can't believe that this fool of a doctor willingly gave a man anesthesia to sleep and left him alone at any point thinking he was 'sleeping'.. WTF? Katherine should've sued this MF for everything he had and would have in the future. Murray wanted $150,000 grand a month and he couldn't even monitor MJ... Just tragic..

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    Default Re: Verdict Watch - Discussion- Katherine Jackson vs AEG

    Quote Originally Posted by ivy View Post
    I also keep asking the same question to myself. The contract said "general care", if we are determining on that Murray was competent but if we are looking it from the perspective of anesthesia / insomnia he wasn't competent.

    I agree that these questions look simple but not that simple.

    well they did ask a little bit and Michael replied saying his body was the machine and it needed to be taken care of. Specifics of any treatment is private under doctor patient privacy laws. Even asked both Michael and Murray would have refused to answer and it would be an acceptable behavior.







    Even though Gongaware wrote "we are paying his salary", this wasn't told to Murray and they weren't paying him anything. Even though they did, they would have gotten the money back from Michael. So technically AEG would have advanced Murray's salary.




    Murray knew he was getting his money from AEG.. he told the cops that..

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    Default Re: Verdict Watch - Discussion- Katherine Jackson vs AEG

    a little note about length of deliberations

    now some people think a quick verdict favors the defendant however there's nothing to back this up. Also what is "quick" is subjective and it's a matter of how much discussion the jurors have and how certain they are in regards to certain topics.

    for example if we assume that Panish did a wonderful job and this jury strongly agrees with his arguments, they can quickly give 5 yes answers and come back with a quick verdict in favor of plaintiffs in a few hours.

    on the other hand if they are torn between both sides they can spend hours and hours on a single question and eventually come back with a verdict in favor of defendants in several days.

    Time a jury takes to deliberate doesn't really show what the verdict will be. You never know.
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    Default Re: Verdict Watch - Discussion- Katherine Jackson vs AEG

    Quote Originally Posted by jaydom7 View Post
    Murray knew he was getting his money from AEG.. he told the cops that..
    he also said he was hired by Michael but being paid by AEG - which happens to be exactly AEG's position that Michael hired Murray and they were advancing his salary. and regardless what he said to the cops are irrelevant. it's not evidence in this trial.

    remember this jury is going to make decisions on everything they presented (not only Gongaware's email but also Murray's contract which says he's expense of Michael) and they cannot consider anything that's not in evidence (Murray's police interview)
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    Default Re: Verdict Watch - Discussion- Katherine Jackson vs AEG

    who are you for Ivy?

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    Default Re: Verdict Watch - Discussion- Katherine Jackson vs AEG

    Quote Originally Posted by jaydom7 View Post
    who are you for Ivy?
    jury's verdict.

    I made this clear from the start I'm not happy with all the dragging Michael had to endure due to this trial. As far as the verdict goes I don't care either way who wins or who loses. I expressed this before. If you are asking me who would win, I truly think this is a 50-50 case and it could go either way. I wouldn't be surprised with a $2 Billion verdict in favor of Katherine and I equally wouldn't be surprised with a verdict in favor of AEG. I'll accept any verdict from the jury (as I believe in the system) and wait to see if the (almost certain) appeals would make any difference.
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    Default Re: Verdict Watch - Discussion- Katherine Jackson vs AEG

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Apple2 View Post
    I'm gonna start with Question No. 2: what exactly was Murray "officially hired" to do?

    Did the contract spell out what Murray's duties would have been?
    Just going through CM's contract dated 23rd, which he signed, but not other.

    Under recitals on first page there reads:
    CM represents he is licenced cardiologist practising in LV... and that he acts as The Artists General Practioner.

    Under Agreement, again first page:
    ....CM will provide general medical care the the artists with the greatest degree of care to....

    This is what CM was hired to do. Giving propofol at home settings wasn't and still isn't labelled as general medical care from General practioner. Pronto.

    Note, AEG was under the impression that was exactly what CM was doing, but CM and MJ never told AEG what was the real reason for CM. I don't think if it fair that AEG has to pay in this case.

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    Default Re: Verdict Watch - Discussion- Katherine Jackson vs AEG

    2 and 3 are the tricky questions. I personally would answer with NO both of them, but you never know how the jury would go.

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