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    Quote Originally Posted by KOPV View Post
    ^ My response to that was Michael has always played the line of visual violence while never really showcasing it In his music.. what I mean by that, it really wasn't his nature to have violent threats in his music yet still show violence in videos.. I cant think of a song that preaches violence but only as speaking of a victim of it. (Blood on the dance floor/ Little Suzie / Smooth Criminal) all speaking of victim. It was the first (that I can think of right now) that a song was pro violence.. That and the insinuation of gun shot towards Tom Sneddon in DS (Same album)
    Bad the song implies fighting though, or at the least there's going to be a fight if the other guy don't "watch your mouth" . He threatens his opponent "Your butt is mine", "I'm giving you a count of 3 to show your stuff or let it be", "if you don't like what I'm saying then won't you slap my face". People don't say things like that to be friendly, lol. It's like kids at school scheduling a fight after school or something. It's the opposite of Beat It, where he tries to stop a fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DuranDuran View Post
    Bad the song implies fighting though, or at the least there's going to be a fight if the other guy don't "watch your mouth" . He threatens his opponent "Your butt is mine", "I'm giving you a count of 3 to show your stuff or let it be", "if you don't like what I'm saying then won't you slap my face". People don't say things like that to be friendly, lol. It's like kids at school scheduling a fight after school or something. It's the opposite of Beat It, where he tries to stop a fight.
    I've never thought about those lyrics in that way. Hmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by wonderouzdj2 View Post
    I've never thought about those lyrics in that way. Hmm
    The whole "I'm bad" was basically street slang that means "I'm tougher than you, and since you wanna talk like you can beat me, then prove it". Well obviously that's challenging the other person to a fight. "Prove you can beat me up or shut up" or in this case "show your stuff or let it be". I remember a local radio around the time Bad first came out, did a remix and mixed it with LL Cool J's I'm Bad which came out around the same time, and if you've heard LL's song, it's a similar boasting type of challenge.




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    I really like This Time Around! He should have performed it live

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    Quote Originally Posted by DuranDuran View Post
    The whole "I'm bad" was basically street slang that means "I'm tougher than you, and since you wanna talk like you can beat me, then prove it". Well obviously that's challenging the other person to a fight. "Prove you can beat me up or shut up" or in this case "show your stuff or let it be". I remember a local radio around the time Bad first came out, did a remix and mixed it with LL Cool J's I'm Bad which came out around the same time, and if you've heard LL's song, it's a similar boasting type of challenge.



    Ha! I've never seen or heard this before. LL Cool J has been around that long?

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbee0715 View Post
    Ha! I've never seen or heard this before. LL Cool J has been around that long?
    Yeah, I think his first hit 'I Need Love' was same year as Bad.
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    Duran Duran I think your example of Bad speaks EXACTLY to what I was saying.. the only actual violence he speaks of is him as the victim f it.. "Why don't you slap my face"

    Saying "count of three or let it be" is the opposite of violence lol... Letting something be, letting it go...



    Bad is not about fighting - it's about telling his friend that if he does not stop trying to act/talk like a bad @$$ because he can be locked up (in fact MJ will bring him in) for acting that way and being a clean person is actually being cool not a being a thug..

    "The Word Is Out
    You're Doin' Wrong
    Gonna Lock You Up
    Before Too Long,
    Your Lyin' Eyes
    Gonna Take You Right
    So Listen Up
    Don't Make A Fight,
    Your Talk Is Cheap
    You're Not A Man"



    "You're butt is mine" can be interoperated as "I'm gonna whip that @$$" but in the context of the song it's actually much more likely that he is speaking from the point of authority... Back in the 80's a lot of movies and TV shows would have cops say things like "You're butt is mine punk" before arresting a criminal.. "Gonna lock you up"
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    ^^That doesn't make any sense because the song was supposed to be a duet with Prince. Mike & Prince were going to "battle" or "fight" to see who was the baddest. Why would Mike be a cop telling Prince to stop what he's doing? Mike telling the other guy that he would fight him doesn't necessarily mean that Mike's character is a troublemaker, but that he can defend himself if necessary. That the other guy thinks Mike's soft and is easy to beat and Mike is saying it isn't so. "I'm tellin you, better watch your mouth". It's like in rap, there's battle raps where's there challenges & put downs. Mike was also planning to do a song with Run DMC at the time that didn't pan out. By using the term "I'm bad", Mike was probably trying to appeal to the hip hop fans as rap was beginning to become mainstream popular. I recall people making jokes about Mike claiming he's bad and the video, because he was a guy wearing a lot of makeup and seemed feminine being the leader of a gang.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbee0715 View Post
    Ha! I've never seen or heard this before. LL Cool J has been around that long?
    His first single came out in either 1984 or 1985.

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    Yeah, it's definitely a battle song. Who's the baddest or best.

    (Wierd that people thought Michael wrapped in black leather would be in any way feminine. My heavens.)

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    Well yeah I'm sure the lyrics were fairly different when it was a MJ vs. Prince song.. Battle of who's badder/cooler/better... still not violent.. And what the song could have really been like or what would be said is only up to our imagination at this point...

    And what I said with the current lyrics very much makes sense.. it's what the lyrics say and the song is written in only first person (and one person) no dialogue back and forth which the song with Prince very much probably would have been.. You can't have a battle with only one person point of view..
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    Duran now that a re-read your reply I think you mis read what I was saying.. are you thinking that I am saying Michael is a trouble maker? I'm saying he's speaking to a trouble maker... And I say "Point of authority" does not necessarily mean a cop.. just means he has power over the guy he's talking to.. He can turn him in, or simply have enough on him to be in trouble..
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    Quote Originally Posted by DuranDuran View Post
    Bad the song implies fighting though, or at the least there's going to be a fight if the other guy don't "watch your mouth" . He threatens his opponent "Your butt is mine", "I'm giving you a count of 3 to show your stuff or let it be", "if you don't like what I'm saying then won't you slap my face". People don't say things like that to be friendly, lol. It's like kids at school scheduling a fight after school or something. It's the opposite of Beat It, where he tries to stop a fight.
    I've always heard the song and saw the "fantasy" part of the video exactly like this. It's a challenge and his opponent ends up backing down. "I'm going to knock some sense into you" too.
    And then of course, make peace at the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KOPV View Post
    You can't have a battle with only one person point of view..
    Sure you can, there's battle rap songs. The rappers in question don't usually do the songs together, but they talk about each other in separate songs. There's also the many reply songs over the years. Such as Superstar by Lydia Murdock, which was a response to Billie Jean. Even James Brown did sort of challenge songs. If you listen to Get Up Offa That Thing, he puts little jabs to Barry White, Johnnie Taylor, KC & The Sunshine Band, and other acts popular at the time. There's also his latter day hit I'm Real, where James is telling people who sample his songs to "take my voice off your records, till I'm paid in full". John Lennon put out the song How Do You Sleep?, which criticized Paul McCartney's solo material. Paul replied with Silly Love Songs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbee0715 View Post
    I've always heard the song and saw the "fantasy" part of the video exactly like this. It's a challenge and his opponent ends up backing down. "I'm going to knock some sense into you" too.
    And then of course, make peace at the end.
    Wesley Snipes's character even says at one point, that Mike went to a "sissy school", which implies he's not hood anymore and gotten soft and maybe saying Mike's character is a sellout. Kind of like a Carlton Banks type of personality, from the 1990s TV show Fresh Prince Of Bel-aire. If you're telling a guy he's soft from the type of neighborhood they're from, maybe that guy will respond in a way that will show you he's not. Which is what happens. Mike tells Wesley, "let's do it", then brings out his gang.

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