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    MAN! I wish Prince and MJ did a collab album like one planned for the Batman soundtrack. Could you imagine them on the same damn track.
    Such a travestsy..

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    WOW, I didn't know Prince had a strong sense of loyalty, I have heard about him banning people from his forum if they bashed Michael but I didn't know that story Tatiana. More power to him, he had a hell lot of integrity, both Michael and Prince respected each other indeed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by la_cienega View Post
    Thanks for sharing all the stories coming out about MJ and Prince! I love hearing about them.

    I have a HUGE amount of respect for Prince because of the way he handled MJ. Like the story Tatiana had in 1993 when she said she'd sold a story to a tabloid where they'd taken some things out of context and made Michael look bad. She was at a club and Prince saw her and came up to her and started on at her about it. Actually yelling at her about how could she do something like that to someone, how badly did she need the money, how broke must she have been to do that to someone. He didn't care about the allegations - he cared that someone around MJ would choose to betray him that way during their worst moment. SO much respect for that.

    He also banned people from trashing MJ on his forums during the trial.

    So many other celebrity's turned their backs on him or tried to get some nasty word in just to get more PR. But Prince was concerned with integrity above all of that.

    That's how I've always looked at Prince ever since learning that. Whenever I hear some random story about him, I always keep in mind that if he was prepared to be so defensive for someone who wasn't even a good friend of his, who was someone who had been deemed his rival and could've been someone he could try and bash because everyone else was, then he's a good loyal person with real integrity. One of the few in the industry.
    . Wow! thank you for sharing this story with us. It just made me love Prince more than I already do.

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    Prince performing I Want You Back: https://www.facebook.com/PrinceMuseu...type=2&theater

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    best pop singer with its own unsurpassed style ...simply the best of the best players on the stage
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    In a way Im glad i didnt know a lot of his stuff. Im on a musical journey discovering his stuff now. I can only imagine how amazing it was for anyone discovering MJ at the time of his death too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattyJam View Post
    I've noticed a lot of MJ comparisons in the tributes paid to Prince since his passing, often trying to belittle MJ's abilities, the usual nonsense talking about how Prince played so many instruments and was so prolific compared to MJ etc (as if the quality of an artists output is somehow less impressive if there's less of it).
    Thing is Prince was always, ever since the 80s, the media's/critics' darling as opposed to MJ - probably because his art appeals more to classic rockist aeasthetics (guy with a guitar, plays instruments etc) as opposed to the dancing man that rockists tend to look down on as if dance is not an art form on its own. It's what it is. In the 80s you got used to it as an MJ fan. It kind of died down later but now apperently some are hell-bent to bring back that silly "rivalry" of apples and oranges. The funny thing is though, that in my experience, it is mainly Prince fans who try to trash the other, it's rarely the other way around. I don't know but to me the obsession reeks a bit of insecurity or jealousy (of MJ being more popular).

    Prince was more profilic, that's true, but it also meant that his albums had less quality control IMO. I mean he is a hit or miss. He has a number of great songs, but he also has a number of "meh" songs. At the end of the day, even if MJ's catalog is a lot smaller, to me there aren't more really great Prince songs than MJ songs. (Actually to me there are more great MJ songs but that's the fan in me.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattyJam View Post
    I've noticed a lot of MJ comparisons in the tributes paid to Prince since his passing, often trying to belittle MJ's abilities, the usual nonsense talking about how Prince played so many instruments and was so prolific compared to MJ etc (as if the quality of an artists output is somehow less impressive if there's less of it). I suppose it's human nature to elevate somebody you admire once they've passed, I noticed a lot of this when Bowie died, he was the greatest this, the greatest that. People scramble to express their fandom and often end up falling into subconscious one-upmanship over how great the artist was.

    The truth is, there are a select few artists from the last 50 years (and Prince, MJ and Bowie are amongst them) who truly were geniuses at their craft and it's a great shame that it's only when these people pass on that the general public and the media talk about how influential and unique these artists were. There really aren't many of these people left (Paul McCartney, Neil Young, Madonna, Bruce Springsteen)... yet I feel as if we've learned nothing as a society from the deaths of our beloved musical heroes.
    MAN! Matty, I couldn't have put it any better than that tbh. I was having an intense debate about this (quality vs quality) argument on YT.

    IMO, MJ was savvy enough to release projects every 5 years to 1) meet fan anticipation but more importantly to 2) meet a high standards of excellence and not fall victim to forgettable unfinished material.

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    Quote Originally Posted by respect77 View Post
    Thing is Prince was always, ever since the 80s, the media's/critics' darling as opposed to MJ - probably because his art appeals more to classic rockist aeasthetics (guy with a guitar, plays instruments etc) as opposed to the dancing man that rockists tend to look down on as if dance is not an art form on its own. It's what it is. In the 80s you got used to it as an MJ fan. It kind of died down later but now apperently some are hell-bent to bring back that silly "rivalry" of apples and oranges. The funny thing is though, that in my experience, it is mainly Prince fans who try to trash the other, it's rarely the other way around. I don't know but to me the obsession reeks a bit of insecurity or jealousy (of MJ being more popular).

    Prince was more profilic, that's true, but it also meant that his albums had less quality control IMO. I mean he is a hit or miss. He has a number of great songs, but he also has a number of "meh" songs. At the end of the day, even if MJ's catalog is a lot smaller, to me there aren't more really great Prince songs than MJ songs. (Actually to me there are more great MJ songs but that's the fan in me.)
    Yes and no. They don't mind James Brown, Madonna and other entertainers who were.t renowned instrumentalists. It was a range of factors that drove critics/journalist/musicologist to side-eye MJ. Don't forget his 'disneyland' image was also something they attacked him for.

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    I don't believe the anecdote from Toure, about Michael sending Prince a tape of 'BAD' and Prince sending it back, re-recorded, "the way it should be done, like a kind of superstar f*ck you". NOPE....that did not happen. Toure is a writer from The Rollingstone and like all RS writers, he has a certain "attitude" when it comes to Michael Jackson. I just don't think any of them are very well-informed at all, when it comes to MJ...they are lazy and they just repeat the same old tired BS and half-truths.

    There is no way (IMO) that Michael would send a tape of one of his songs to Prince. NO WAY. They had a meeting and they talked about doing the song as a duet and at the end of the meeting, Prince told Michael that it was going to be a hit and that Michael didn't need him on the song. It probably really wasn't Prince's style of song, anyway. He did not give Michael a "f*ck you". I don't even believe the story Prince told to Chris Rock about the BAD duet....more likely, Mr Nelson was taking the mickey out of Mr Rock.....just "performing" and putting a little sensationalism out there, for everyone to talk about. And look....we're all still talking about it, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikky Dee View Post
    I don't believe the anecdote from Toure, about Michael sending Prince a tape of 'BAD' and Prince sending it back, re-recorded, "the way it should be done, like a kind of superstar f*ck you".
    Honestly given how much respect Prince had for Michael (and I've learnt a lot these past few days seen clips of him discuss Michael and it's always been with a lot of respect), I struggle to believe he would do such a thing.

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    I downloaded Prince's 1993 compilation "The Hits / B-Sides" a few nights ago. I'll have to dig into it sometime. I made an effort back in late February/early March to learn about some of his best songs so I already have a few favourites (1999, When Doves Cry, Let's Go Crazy, Raspberry Beret ... basically the Billie Jean/Beat It's of his discography - the songs everyone likes).

    Also I came across "Controversy" the other day and it's SO GOOD. Honestly it's been in my head these past two days. For whatever reason, I've noticed it's easier to hear Prince's music on YouTube since he died (idk not as many copyright takedowns?) but whatever, for once you can hear one of his songs here on YouTube. If you haven't heard this you really should! It's funky as hell.


    I've said it before and I'll say it again but I really hope his discography becomes available on Spotify. I was only a very casual fan of Bowie's works before he died but listening to his music on Spotify and discovering some incredible tunes he made on led me to buy not only his greatest hits, but also a good number of other songs off iTunes! Definitely a much bigger fan of Bowie now thanks to Spotify and I hope something similar can happen for Prince

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikky Dee View Post
    I don't believe the anecdote from Toure, about Michael sending Prince a tape of 'BAD' and Prince sending it back, re-recorded, "the way it should be done, like a kind of superstar f*ck you". NOPE....that did not happen. Toure is a writer from The Rollingstone and like all RS writers, he has a certain "attitude" when it comes to Michael Jackson. I just don't think any of them are very well-informed at all, when it comes to MJ...they are lazy and they just repeat the same old tired BS and half-truths.

    There is no way (IMO) that Michael would send a tape of one of his songs to Prince. NO WAY. They had a meeting and they talked about doing the song as a duet and at the end of the meeting, Prince told Michael that it was going to be a hit and that Michael didn't need him on the song. It probably really wasn't Prince's style of song, anyway. He did not give Michael a "f*ck you". I don't even believe the story Prince told to Chris Rock about the BAD duet....more likely, Mr Nelson was taking the mickey out of Mr Rock.....just "performing" and putting a little sensationalism out there, for everyone to talk about. And look....we're all still talking about it, right?
    I don't think Prince ever recorded Bad. The story seems to be made up.

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    They were very different artists... They were compared because they both were both black pop stars that got a lot of attention, both of which came from the school of James Brown.. They both were 'pretty boys' and people lumped them together because of those things.. Outside of that they had a lot of differences. and sometimes those differences (contrasts) also got them compared..

    And Prince got the comparison to MJ more than MJ getting comparison to Prince.. How often did you see Mike get asked about Prince? Now how many interviews that Prince gets pushed into the MJ talk?



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    I'm in two minds of whether I'd rather Michael was more prolific like Prince or perfect as he was.

    MJ certainly had better quality control.

    I don't think I'd be as big fan as I am of Michael had his albums got swamped by lesser works like Prince. I loved the fact that for 5 albums in a row virtually every track was flawless.
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