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    Just getting myself back into this album and would implore any J5 fan to listen if you haven't got it already.

    In fact even if you don't consider yourself a J5 fan, it's still a great insight into the performer Michael was to become. There are little glimpses of genius and magic that MJ was become known for.

    For anyone who has ever argued that singing live doesn't matter, listen to this. Quite how this 11 year old kid could play with the melody & add those incredible ad-libs we love from his aduly work blows my mind.

    As well as some great cover versions on there, there are the best versions ever of 'Who's Lovin You' with a stunning & hilarious intro, Never Can Say Goodbye (check out the breakdown at the end), Ain't No Sunshine (the intro!!!), and Ben.
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    Hi Tony, I just happened to come across this page by complete and utter accident.......................................... ................

    I was listening to the 1970 show last night, and oh my god. I think I said in the other thread that I only ever really listened to songs here and there from this album (I think a lot of people can be guilty of this when it comes to Motown releases, they were a singles based organisation, Steve and Marvin aside.

    Michael is on fire. Too many songs to single out. The band are on top of their game, but what strikes me most is Michaels ability to captivate the audience from the get go. Where did this confidence go? The most he could say for 90% of the HIStory tour was "I love youuuu!" and "Now I'm gonna give you....." etc. Michael was a master of the stage at this early age. The way he questions the guitar amp, talking about how the boys think they're so "coool" playing guitars, able to give a great shout out to Diana Ross who's in the crowd, his intro to Who's Lovin You. This was all clearly rehearsed, but it genuinely doesn't come across forced. It's delivered in only the way an effective showman can.

    Don't Know Why I Love You and Thank You are as good as anything the Four Tops or the Tempts ever did live.

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    Hi Tony, I just happened to come across this page by complete and utter accident.......................................... ................

    I was listening to the 1970 show last night, and oh my god. I think I said in the other thread that I only ever really listened to songs here and there from this album (I think a lot of people can be guilty of this when it comes to Motown releases, they were a singles based organisation, Steve and Marvin aside.

    Michael is on fire. Too many songs to single out. The band are on top of their game, but what strikes me most is Michaels ability to captivate the audience from the get go. Where did this confidence go? The most he could say for 90% of the HIStory tour was "I love youuuu!" and "Now I'm gonna give you....." etc. Michael was a master of the stage at this early age. The way he questions the guitar amp, talking about how the boys think they're so "coool" playing guitars, able to give a great shout out to Diana Ross who's in the crowd, his intro to Who's Lovin You. This was all clearly rehearsed, but it genuinely doesn't come across forced. It's delivered in only the way an effective showman can.

    Don't Know Why I Love You and Thank You are as good as anything the Four Tops or the Tempts ever did live.
    Well, I can't say it any better than that.

    Yeah I love the way there are songs on here we've all heard a million times but they all have new life breathed in, in the way a live performance should do.

    Ben, Who's Loving You, The Love You Save, Ain't No Sunshine, Got To Be There...all perfect. Never Can Say Goodbye is so funked up at the end...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony R View Post
    Well, I can't say it any better than that.

    Yeah I love the way there are songs on here we've all heard a million times but they all have new life breathed in, in the way a live performance should do.

    Ben, Who's Loving You, The Love You Save, Ain't No Sunshine, Got To Be There...all perfect. Never Can Say Goodbye is so funked up at the end...
    I'm going to stick to the first disc for tonight again, and then get onto the 1972 show, so I'm going to look forward to that.

    It's beyond me how easily I've let myself go by all these years not giving the Jackson 5 the attention they deserve. I now treat them as a separate entity to the Michael Jackson from 78 onwards. The Jackson 5 were just as important as The Supremes, Four Tops, Temptations, Miracles, with regards to musical output, connection with the audience, the longetivity, their stage presence, the talent.

    I can't remember when I realised that I was able to separate "I listen to the Jackson 5 because its Michael Jackson" from "Holy god, the Jackson 5 are actually ACTUALLY amazing and I am annoyed I didnt experience them!"

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    I don't know them as well as others on here do. But what I do like, I like because it's great. Not just because it's MJ.

    I'm a big Motown fan generally anyway.

    Only issue with this album & Jacksons Live album is that it reminds me how much of this performer we lost in later years. The fun & exhuberance he emitted and the way the songs were played with was amazing. There's a performance from mid 70s of Michael singing 'One Day In Your Life' (surely one of the hardest songs ever to sing) and he literally forces the live band to follow him as he snakes his way through, it's mind-blowing.
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    The showmanship died. The last proper example we have of is is before the Motown Medley in the 81 shows.

    This is a big shame. Their act, while staged, is still brilliant. I can also think of a perfomance, Mexico 75 maybe, where Michael speaks and introduces songs, talks about how he loves ballads and not ONCE seems shy. Then we get to 1997 and he can barely speak. I know this is an act in itself, but it's a shame that someone who could (at least appear) so confident during songs on stage, to literally being reduced to a phrase here and there.

    Motown 25 he spoke with confidence before Billie Jean, and he proved he still had it in 95 at the VMA's. Why he didnt use this more often was beyond me. If he had connected on a more personal level with audiences later in his career, it would have given the live shows that extra few percent

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    At least the material he produced increased in quality in my opinion (up until Invincible of course!)

    A graph showing Michael's quality of live shows overlayed with quality of material makes a nice big X on the chart.
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    I'm on the 1972 show now. Great so far, just in the middle of Jermaine's slot, but it's missing the magic and energy of the show from 1970. The set seems very disheveled so far? Still plenty to go though

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    Jermaine Jacksons bass playing is fan-bloody sublime... he absolutely nails Got To Be There, possibly my favourite bass of all time.

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    I was listening to the album just yesterday - great album. Only song I would have wished he had performed was My Girl.
    https://www.youtube.com/user/Ahess/videos - me dancing MJ - many years ago.

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    I think the 72 show is great, great setlist but I think it suffers a bit with some of the sequencing of songs. It doesnt quite grasp the flow of the show in 1970.

    Would it be safe to say things would go downhill from here? Never can say goodbye had been released so technically their last number one was out of the way.

    Michaels voice was beginning to break, and still delivers the goods. He tries (and is mostly succesful) at hitting the notes he hit when he was 11 but manages around most of the straining with his perfect harmonies.

    The "Jacksonmania" noises from the crowd arent as loud/Beatlemaniaesque as in 1970, but you can clearly hear they were still in demand.

    To be honest, it sounds like in the space of 2 years, they lost an essence of impulse and spontaneity, because the scripted parts sound MORE scripted than 1970. Michael talks less, and actually sounds a little shyer. (He was changing and coming into a painful period of his life).

    All in all, the first show has become one of my favourite live albums now. The set, the energy, the rawness, all perfect. The second show- while amazing- just doesnr reach the power of the first.

    Honourable mention to the band on this one. Johnnys drumming is outstanding, and Titos* really improved in the 2nd show. But Jermaine* is just unbelievable. Ive overlooked him as a bassplayer for too long. Hearing him play Got To Be There just floored me. I expected a modification of the line to make it easier. Nope. Full blast. Brilliant.

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    I LOVE this album. It's a close second, as far as live recordings of Michael, for me, to the Jacksons Live album. I especially enjoy the introduction to the concert, it sets the stage and really pushes the point home about how MONUMENTAL the Jackson 5 really were at their peak.

    To the point of Michaels voice changing, I find it endearing and impressive, how he was able to push through those changes and still deliver a memorable performance. I became a Michael fan after being a Jackson 5 fan, so listening to music from this time period is second nature to me. However, for anyone who is on the fence- i agree that this is a good starting point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paisleyCUTtop View Post
    I LOVE this album. It's a close second, as far as live recordings of Michael, for me, to the Jacksons Live album. I especially enjoy the introduction to the concert, it sets the stage and really pushes the point home about how MONUMENTAL the Jackson 5 really were at their peak.

    To the point of Michaels voice changing, I find it endearing and impressive, how he was able to push through those changes and still deliver a memorable performance. I became a Michael fan after being a Jackson 5 fan, so listening to music from this time period is second nature to me. However, for anyone who is on the fence- i agree that this is a good starting point.
    Great post! You are right about the intro, it really sets the tone for the time it was and what the atmosphere was like waiting for these lads. But what about the outro! The announcer having to shout at everyone to sit down! My favourite ending to a live album ever!

    Michael handles his changing voice and challenging notes so well, like an absolute pro, to the point that the screeched note in Aint No Sunshine is one of the most true emotionally powerful things hes ever sung.

    Its cool reading you were a J5 fan first, and I definitely agree that for anyone who isnt quite sure about the J5 as a legitimate power house of a group, this album proves that they were masters of their craft as early as 1970. The 1970 show is still blowing my mind. Its just a shame that Stand! didnt make the cut because of the sound issues.

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    Listening to the 1970 show now. Band are on fire. The excitement is palpable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aazzaabb View Post
    Listening to the 1970 show now. Band are on fire. The excitement is palpable.
    Let us know what you think of the 72 show then. Absolutely obsessed with the 70s show so need a good discussion going.

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