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    Default Re: How Many Unreleased Songs are Complete Enough for a Release?

    Best of joy, is considered a finished vocal.. and there are will.i.am tracks that are complete.. the difficulty around songs is not just what was "finished" but after the last leaks when Michael was alive he did not let producers keep vocals. Michael kept the vocal track while producers kept the instramental.. it would stay this way til fully complete! So even if there is a full vocal but Michael never got with the producer to combine the two tracks - than we may never get our hands on a "complete" version
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysThere View Post
    I cannot for the life of me remember where I heard this, but someone once told me they had gone to an Estate-funded fan event (likely for either Bad 25 or Xscape) and John Branca had said they were looking to reissue This Is It with new footage to commemorate the 10 year anniversary. Take that with a grain of salt, but I would absolutely love that.
    This turned out to be partially true.

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    To me that is blasphemy. Why would they want to commemorate the 10th anniversary of planned concert series where he actually died? I understand releasing This Is It but a 10th Anniversary? That's crazy to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themidwestcowboy View Post
    To me that is blasphemy. Why would they want to commemorate the 10th anniversary of planned concert series where he actually died? I understand releasing This Is It but a 10th Anniversary? That's crazy to me
    Simply because This Is It movie and soundtrack album were extremely successful and they saw the potential to make even more money from it for the 10th anniversary. The Estate are all about the money, that much is very clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nite Line View Post
    Simply because This Is It movie and soundtrack album were extremely successful and they saw the potential to make even more money from it for the 10th anniversary. The Estate are all about the money, that much is very clear.
    Of course it's about money. The primary objectives of any deceased Estate are to generate income, pay off debts/creditors and liquidate/disperse assets to the heirs. The tax bill isn't going to pay itself and the ongoing lawsuits are not cheap, either. I don't know why this simple fact is so difficult to understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikky Dee View Post
    Of course it's about money. The primary objectives of any deceased Estate are to generate income, pay off debts/creditors and liquidate/disperse assets to the heirs. The tax bill isn't going to pay itself and the ongoing lawsuits are not cheap, either. I don't know why this simple fact is so difficult to understand.
    I think there is a distinction between it being about money and being ALL about money, as nite line put it. I think any reasonable person understands that the estate is a business and a business needs to thrive and make money, we get it. But the money shouldn't be all that they're aiming for. They should also preserve the artists legacy which MJ spent his entire life building and also release stuff while maintaining some level of integrity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themidwestcowboy View Post
    I think there is a distinction between it being about money and being ALL about money, as nite line put it. I think any reasonable person understands that the estate is a business and a business needs to thrive and make money, we get it. But the money shouldn't be all that they're aiming for. They should also preserve the artists legacy which MJ spent his entire life building and also release stuff while maintaining some level of integrity.
    I agree that they should preserve the artist's legacy. In my opinion, the best way to do that is to defend him, his image and his name, against charlitans and liars in the courts....which they are doing. Another part of that is to focus on the body of work he produced when he was alive and bring that to new audiences...new generations...on a global scale in creative ways that embrace new technology.

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    Default Re: How Many Unreleased Songs are Complete Enough for a Release?

    There's also that song that apparently featured Snoop Dogg. Wonder if that one is complete enough for release.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddlicious View Post
    There's also that song that apparently featured Snoop Dogg. Wonder if that one is complete enough for release.
    That would be the Hurricane Katrina relief song.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themidwestcowboy View Post
    That would be the Hurricane Katrina relief song.
    Yup, that's "I Have This Dream." There was a recording session in Los Angeles on 1 November 2005 that James Ingram and the O'Jays were at; I believe Snoop was also there, but I may be wrong. Michael produced over the phone.

    John Barnes said that, of all the songs that they worked on together, that's the one he'd most like to see released. So clearly it's finished in some capacity. I imagine getting permission from all the involved artists would be damn near impossible though, so hopefully there's a solo MJ vocal that they could drop. God knows that, where we are as a society right now, we could use a song like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysThere View Post
    Yup, that's "I Have This Dream."
    Are you sure that's the title?

    Wasn't it ''From The Bottom Of My Heart''?

    As far as I know ''I Have This Dream'' was a song from the earlier 'Invincible' sessions (1999) that Michael co-wrote with Carol Bayer Sager and David Foster and was meant to be for the new millennium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dethorro View Post
    Are you sure that's the title?

    Wasn't it ''From The Bottom Of My Heart''?

    As far as I know ''I Have This Dream'' was a song from the earlier 'Invincible' sessions (1999) that Michael co-wrote with Carol Bayer Sager and David Foster and was meant to be for the new millennium.
    It is indeed "I Have This Dream!" There are two songs with the same title -- one from 1999 and another from 2005.

    "Bottom of My Heart" is a later version of the 2005 version of "I Have This Dream."

    It's confusing, I know :p

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddlicious View Post
    There's also that song that apparently featured Snoop Dogg. Wonder if that one is complete enough for release.
    Quote Originally Posted by Themidwestcowboy View Post
    That would be the Hurricane Katrina relief song.
    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysThere View Post
    Yup, that's "I Have This Dream." There was a recording session in Los Angeles on 1 November 2005 that James Ingram and the O'Jays were at; I believe Snoop was also there, but I may be wrong. Michael produced over the phone.

    John Barnes said that, of all the songs that they worked on together, that's the one he'd most like to see released. So clearly it's finished in some capacity. I imagine getting permission from all the involved artists would be damn near impossible though, so hopefully there's a solo MJ vocal that they could drop. God knows that, where we are as a society right now, we could use a song like that.
    Quote Originally Posted by dethorro View Post
    Are you sure that's the title?

    Wasn't it ''From The Bottom Of My Heart''?

    As far as I know ''I Have This Dream'' was a song from the earlier 'Invincible' sessions (1999) that Michael co-wrote with Carol Bayer Sager and David Foster and was meant to be for the new millennium.
    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysThere View Post
    It is indeed "I Have This Dream!" There are two songs with the same title -- one from 1999 and another from 2005.

    "Bottom of My Heart" is a later version of the 2005 version of "I Have This Dream."

    It's confusing, I know :p
    ‘I Have This Dream’ was supposed to make the ‘Invincible’ album’ and is definitely complete enough for a release now.

    ‘I Have This Dream’ became actually a nearly complete song even during the ‘Invincible’ sessions because it was a subject of a song-writing contest (winners would add their additional lyrics to the song) organized by Tonos Entertainment and AOL Music, so the song had to be finished and be recorded at that time.

    ‘From The Bottom Of My Heart’ is just a version of ‘I Have This Dream’ but with the addition of vocals from numerous guest vocalists.

    ‘From The Bottom Of My Heart’ is also complete enough for a release now (just lacks vocals from few guest vocalists who eventually did not contribute their vocals to the song).

    Prince Abdullah heard a nearly complete version of that ‘From The Bottom Of My Heart’ song and he liked it so much that he was about to release it through his Two Seas label (in early 2006).

    But keep in mind that ‘From The Bottom Of My Heart’ has changed its title (and exists with a different title) so as to avoid confusion with Stevie Wonder’s song with the same title (from his ‘A Time 2 Love’ album released in 2005).

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    Quote Originally Posted by mj_frenzy View Post
    ‘I Have This Dream’ was supposed to make the ‘Invincible’ album’ and is definitely complete enough for a release now.

    ‘I Have This Dream’ became actually a nearly complete song even during the ‘Invincible’ sessions because it was a subject of a song-writing contest (winners would add their additional lyrics to the song) organized by Tonos Entertainment and AOL Music, so the song had to be finished and be recorded at that time.

    ‘From The Bottom Of My Heart’ is just a version of ‘I Have This Dream’ but with the addition of vocals from numerous guest vocalists.

    ‘From The Bottom Of My Heart’ is also complete enough for a release now (just lacks vocals from few guest vocalists who eventually did not contribute their vocals to the song).

    Prince Abdullah heard a nearly complete version of that ‘From The Bottom Of My Heart’ song and he liked it so much that he was about to release it through his Two Seas label (in early 2006).

    But keep in mind that ‘From The Bottom Of My Heart’ has changed its title (and exists with a different title) so as to avoid confusion with Stevie Wonder’s song with the same title (from his ‘A Time 2 Love’ album released in 2005).
    Thank you for these informations. So „I Have This Dream“; „From the Bottom of My Heart“ and „Light the Way“ (I think thats the third songtitle) are basically one song that MJ recorded in the Late 90s. Or did he rerecord his vocals in 2005 for „From the Bottom of My Heart“? Do you Know if the Estate has the song(s) and are there are plans to release it?

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    Default Re: How Many Unreleased Songs are Complete Enough for a Release?

    Quote Originally Posted by mj_frenzy View Post
    ‘I Have This Dream’ was supposed to make the ‘Invincible’ album’ and is definitely complete enough for a release now.

    ‘I Have This Dream’ became actually a nearly complete song even during the ‘Invincible’ sessions because it was a subject of a song-writing contest (winners would add their additional lyrics to the song) organized by Tonos Entertainment and AOL Music, so the song had to be finished and be recorded at that time.

    ‘From The Bottom Of My Heart’ is just a version of ‘I Have This Dream’ but with the addition of vocals from numerous guest vocalists.

    ‘From The Bottom Of My Heart’ is also complete enough for a release now (just lacks vocals from few guest vocalists who eventually did not contribute their vocals to the song).

    Prince Abdullah heard a nearly complete version of that ‘From The Bottom Of My Heart’ song and he liked it so much that he was about to release it through his Two Seas label (in early 2006).

    But keep in mind that ‘From The Bottom Of My Heart’ has changed its title (and exists with a different title) so as to avoid confusion with Stevie Wonder’s song with the same title (from his ‘A Time 2 Love’ album released in 2005).
    Awesome information!

    Thank you mj_frenzy. Why didn't Michael eventually release this track?

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