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    Default How Many Unreleased Songs are Complete Enough for a Release?

    How Many Unreleased Songs are Complete Enough for a Release?

    I thought I'd start a thread especially for this question.

    Please state your opinion with sources or an argumentation at least.

    I will also create a list if you can give me a source that an unreleased song is complete/releasable.
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    Default Re: How Many Unreleased Songs are Complete Enough for a Release?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slave To The Rhythm View Post
    How Many Unreleased Songs are Complete Enough for a Release?

    I thought I'd start a thread especially for this question.

    Please state your opinion with sources or an argumentation at least.

    I will also create a list if you can give me a source that an unreleased song is complete/releasable.
    This is a good idea! Thank you!

    A list, with reliably sourced information and back up, would be a wonderful resource to compile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikky Dee View Post
    I totally accept what you're saying....good points, all; BUT emphasis should be placed on your phrase, PARTIALLY-FINISHED STATE. That's where the problem lies. I think, when fans ask people like Brad and other sound engineers about unreleased songs, they assume that fans are referring to songs complete enough for release and thus, they maintain that there are not nearly as many as people have been led to believe. I think it's important that they tell fans the truth, in this matter and I think that they are telling the truth. Song titles are not songs, finished enough and worthy of release. A chorus, a few sketchy lyrics, a hint of a possibility of a song, or Michael singing the same line, over and over, is not truly a song, in my opinion. It's a song embryo, that's all.

    Many of these songs were not finished and/or discarded for a reason. Some of them were just not very good, some of them were not going in the direction that Michael wanted them to go and many of them were not right for the times (not then and not now). In view of the fact that a large section of the fandom does not agree with producers "finishing" Michael's unreleased and unfinished songs and that John Branca stated that we should not expect any new music, or albums any time soon...well...that's a clear hint regarding the big picture, in my opinion.
    Can I add to that how LA Reid said there were 20-30 finished songs to choose from or something along those lines? Out of the entire estates inventory just to imagine there are lots of fully completed tracks that havent been handed over to them is wishful thinking imo

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    Default Re: How Many Unreleased Songs are Complete Enough for a Release?

    Isn't there a list of songs registered with a US songwriting authority (?) by MJ? I know that some unreleased songs have been catalogised there. I'd say it's the bare minimum.
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    Default Re: How Many Unreleased Songs are Complete Enough for a Release?

    Threw together this list complete with sources.

    It should be noted that this list is nowhere near complete. I removed several titles from this list after observing that the sources weren't as rock solid as those in its company. (Let's also not forget that there are almost certainly titles that we do not know are complete, as well as titles we simply have never heard before). Nonetheless, I hope this is a good source for those of you who are curious!

    1. Untitled RedOne collaboration #1 (2008) - MOSTLY FINISHED
      NOTE: RedOne has never publicly commented on precisely how many songs he finished with Michael, nor their state of completion or any titles. However, given that has verified that there are "a few" songs that could be released, and he is willing to do so provided the funds go to charity, it is safe to assume that a minimum of two songs exist with enough vocals to be completed.
      SOURCE: RedOne in a 2010 interview

    2. Untitled RedOne collaboration #2 (2008) - MOSTLY FINISHED
      SOURCE: RedOne in a 2010 interview

    3. Untitled L.A. Reid/Babyface collaboration (1990) - MOSTLY FINISHED
      NOTE: Reid's commentary on this untitled track does not offer specifics (e.g., the song's exact state of completion), though he explicitly referred to the track as "mostly finished". Until a secondary source suggests otherwise, it will be included here out of fairness.
      Source: L.A. Reid's memoir Sing to Me (2017)

    4. "Buffalo Bill" (1983) - FINISHED
      Source: co-writer John Barnes

    5. "Chicago 1945" (1984) - FINISHED
      Source: Attendees of a seminar in which the song was played

    6. "Can't Get Your Weight Off of Me" (c. 2000) - FINISHED
      Source: Hosts of The MJ Cast, who were shown the completed track by sound engineer Michael Prince

    7. "Eaten Alive" (1985) - FINISHED
      Source: Co-writer Maurice Gibb

    8. "Elizabeth, I Love You" (1996) - FINISHED
      Source: Partial internet leak of the complete song

    9. "Happy Birthday, Lisa" (1991) - FINISHED
      Source: Internet leak of the complete song

    10. "Hot Street" (1982) - FINISHED
      Source: Internet leak of the complete song

    11. "I Am a Loser" (2003) / "I Was the Loser" (2008) - FINISHED
      Sources: Internet leak of the complete song, sound engineer Michael Prince

    12. "I Have This Dream" (2005) - FINISHED
      NOTE: This entry refers to the all-star recording, though it is reasonable to assume that a solo version by Michael exists in a mostly completed state.
      Source: Various track participants and featured vocalists

    13. "I'm Dreamin'" (2006) - FINISHED or MOSTLY FINISHED
      NOTE: Co-writer and co-producer Will.i.am attempted to submit this track for inclusion on his #willpower album, but was thwarted by Jackson's estate (likely as retaliation for Will.i.am's frequent refusal to release the tracks in any other medium). While this is not an indicator that the song is outright finished, it does suggest it has enough vocals for publication.
      Source: Co-writer/co-producer Will.i.am

    14. "If You Don't Love Me" (c. 1989) - FINISHED
      Source: Internet leak of the complete song

    15. "It Don't Matter to Me" (1980) - (?)
      NOTE: Anka's sole acknowledgment of this song in 2014 did little more than confirm it exists and could be released in the future. To this end,
      given the state of completion of their other two collaborations ("Love Never Felt So Good" and "I Never Heard"/"This Is It"), it stands to reason the track is,
      at the very least, partially complete.

      Source: Co-writer Paul Anka

    16. "Jane is a Groupie" (1989) - FINISHED (?)
      NOTE: As this song is nothing more than four minutes of Jackson repeating the title ad nauseam, it may not qualify as a proper song to release on a studio album. Nonetheless, given the reported vocal performance and developed nature of the existing demo, it is included
      Source: Attendees of various seminars in which the song was played

    17. "Joy" (1991) - FINISHED or MOSTLY FINISHED
      Source: Producer Teddy Riley and sound engineer Jean-Marie Horvat

    18. "Lovely Way" (n/a) - FINISHED or MOSTLY FINISHED
      Source: Remix producer Mark Ronson

    19. "Make a Wish" (1982) - FINISHED or MOSTLY FINISHED
      Source: Co-writer Buz Kohan

    20. "Neverland Landing" (1983) - FINISHED
      Source: Co-writer Buz Kohan, a reliable individual with access to the track

    21. "Niteline" (1982) - FINISHED
      Source: Internet leak of the complete song

    22. "Seeing Voices" (1997) - FINISHED
      Source: Internet leak of the complete song

    23. "Serious Effect (featuring LL Cool J)" (1990) - MOSTLY FINISHED
      Source: Internet leak of the complete song

    24. "She Got It" (1990) - MOSTLY FINISHED
      Source: Internet leak of the complete song

    25. "She's Trouble" (1982) - FINISHED
      Source: Internet leak of the complete song

    26. "Slapstick" (1982) - FINISHED
      Source: Internet leak of the complete song

    27. "State of Shock (duet with Freddie Mercury)" (1983) - FINISHED
      Source: Internet leak of the complete song

    28. "The Future" (1980) - FINISHED or MOSTLY FINISHED
      NOTE: The existence of the Will.i.am collaborations was called into question by Estate co-executor John Branca and archivist Karen Langford in 2017, when the two opined that no vocals existed from those sessions. This directly conflicts numerous statements made by Will.i.am between 2006 and 2017,
      as well as his brazen attempt at releasing "I'm Dreamin'" (see above) on his own album. In spite of this, this track is included nonetheless, as Will.i.am has proven himself a more trustworthy commentator than the Jackson estate.

      Source: Co-writer/co-producer Will.i.am

    29. "The Toy" (1981) - FINISHED
      Source: Several reliable individuals with access to the track

    30. "Throwin' Your Life Away" (1988) - FINISHED
      Source: Attendees of a seminar in which the song was played

    31. "Victory (duet with Freddie Mercury)" (1983) - FINISHED
      Source: Freddie Mercury's personal assistant Peter Freestone

    32. "What More Can I Give" (2001) - FINISHED
      Source: Internet leak of the complete song

    33. "What's Your Life" (c. 1981) - FINISHED
      Source: Jermaine Jackson's memoir You Are Not Alone

    34. "World of Candy" (2003) - FINISHED
      Sources: Michael's father Joseph Jackson, Ex-manager Dieter Weisner, duet partner Nisha Kataria

    35. "Work That Body" (1990) - FINISHED
      Source: Internet leak of the complete song
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    Default Re: How Many Unreleased Songs are Complete Enough for a Release?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysThere View Post
    "Can't Get Your Weight Off of Me" (c. 2000) - FINISHED
    Source: Hosts of The MJ Cast, who were shown the completed track by sound engineer Michael Prince
    Actually they were shown an excerpt from the beginning of the song. They don't really know whether it's complete which you can hear by one of them expressing something like "wow, that actually sounded like a complete vocal track".

    It is finished though but it's not something the ****** people would know for certain.



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    What I can say, is with how obsessive we collectively are, the estate could really utilize us on projects..
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    Default Re: How Many Unreleased Songs are Complete Enough for a Release?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysThere View Post
    Threw together this list complete with sources.

    It should be noted that this list is nowhere near complete. I removed several titles from this list after observing that the sources weren't as rock solid as those in its company. (Let's also not forget that there are almost certainly titles that we do not know are complete, as well as titles we simply have never heard before). Nonetheless, I hope this is a good source for those of you who are curious!
    Hey, AlwaysThere.

    I picked up these songs from the book Xscape Origins, missing from your list, where the songs were basically confirmed since they are coming from the guys working on the songs.

    Tomboy - 85
    What You Do To Me - 85
    Throwing Your Life Away - 87
    Crack Kills - 86
    Changes - 80s (rough vocals though)
    Hot Fun in The Summertime

    Not the first time we hear about these, but just more confirmation. I interpreted it as in these are complete, minus

    Don't forget Craze which MP mentioned in the ****** episode. He had it, but gave no information on it. Might be a track. There are tons of stuff out there, really.
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    Thank you Always! You are amazing!

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    Default How Many Unreleased Songs are Complete Enough for a Release?

    I guess we can add Lovely Way:

    According to Mark Ronson he produced the song for the "Michael" album but it didn't make the final cut. He also said that Lovely Way is in the Vein of “Good Bye Yellow Brick Road” (Elton John) and “Imagine” (John Lennon)

    This means it must be a finished or mostly finished song

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    Default Re: How Many Unreleased Songs are Complete Enough for a Release?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysThere View Post
    Threw together this list complete with sources.

    It should be noted that this list is nowhere near complete. I removed several titles from this list after observing that the sources weren't as rock solid as those in its company. (Let's also not forget that there are almost certainly titles that we do not know are complete, as well as titles we simply have never heard before). Nonetheless, I hope this is a good source for those of you who are curious!

    1. Untitled RedOne collaboration #1 (2008) - MOSTLY FINISHED
      NOTE: RedOne has never publicly commented on precisely how many songs he finished with Michael, nor their state of completion or any titles. However, given that has verified that there are "a few" songs that could be released, and he is willing to do so provided the funds go to charity, it is safe to assume that a minimum of two songs exist with enough vocals to be completed.
      SOURCE: RedOne in a 2010 interview

    2. Untitled RedOne collaboration #2 (2008) - MOSTLY FINISHED
      SOURCE: RedOne in a 2010 interview

    3. Untitled L.A. Reid/Babyface collaboration (1990) - MOSTLY FINISHED
      NOTE: Reid's commentary on this untitled track does not offer specifics (e.g., the song's exact state of completion), though he explicitly referred to the track as "mostly finished". Until a secondary source suggests otherwise, it will be included here out of fairness.
      Source: L.A. Reid's memoir Sing to Me (2017)

    4. "Buffalo Bill" (1983) - FINISHED
      Source: co-writer John Barnes

    5. "Chicago 1945" (1984) - FINISHED
      Source: Attendees of a seminar in which the song was played

    6. "Can't Get Your Weight Off of Me" (c. 2000) - FINISHED
      Source: Hosts of The MJ Cast, who were shown the completed track by sound engineer Michael Prince

    7. "Eaten Alive" (1985) - FINISHED
      Source: Co-writer Maurice Gibb

    8. "Elizabeth, I Love You" (1996) - FINISHED
      Source: Partial internet leak of the complete song

    9. "Happy Birthday, Lisa" (1991) - FINISHED
      Source: Internet leak of the complete song

    10. "Hot Street" (1982) - FINISHED
      Source: Internet leak of the complete song

    11. "I Am a Loser" (2003) - FINISHED
      Source: Internet leak of the complete song

    12. "I Have This Dream" (2005) - FINISHED
      NOTE: This entry refers to the all-star recording, though it is reasonable to assume that a solo version by Michael exists in a mostly completed state.
      Source: Various track participants and featured vocalists

    13. "I Was the Loser" (2003/2008) - FINISHED
      Source: Sound engineer Michael Prince

    14. "I'm Dreamin'" (2006) - FINISHED or MOSTLY FINISHED
      NOTE: Co-writer and co-producer Will.i.am attempted to submit this track for inclusion on his #willpower album, but was thwarted by Jackson's estate (likely as retaliation for Will.i.am's frequent refusal to release the tracks in any other medium). While this is not an indicator that the song is outright finished, it does suggest it has enough vocals for publication.
      Source: Co-writer/co-producer Will.i.am

    15. "If You Don't Love Me" (c. 1989) - FINISHED
      Source: Internet leak of the complete song

    16. "It Don't Matter to Me" (1980) - (?)
      NOTE: Anka's sole acknowledgment of this song in 2014 did little more than confirm it exists and could be released in the future. To this end,
      given the state of completion of their other two collaborations ("Love Never Felt So Good" and "I Never Heard"/"This Is It"), it stands to reason the track is,
      at the very least, partially complete.

      Source: Co-writer Paul Anka

    17. "Jane is a Groupie" (1989) - FINISHED (?)
      NOTE: As this song is nothing more than four minutes of Jackson repeating the title ad nauseam, it may not qualify as a proper song to release on a studio album. Nonetheless, given the reported vocal performance and developed nature of the existing demo, it is included
      Source: Attendees of various seminars in which the song was played

    18. "Joy" (1991) - FINISHED or MOSTLY FINISHED
      Source: Producer Teddy Riley and sound engineer Jean-Marie Horvat

    19. "Make a Wish" (1982) - FINISHED or MOSTLY FINISHED
      Source: Co-writer Buz Kohan

    20. "Neverland Landing" (1983) - FINISHED
      Source: Co-writer Buz Kohan, a reliable individual with access to the track

    21. "Niteline" (1982) - FINISHED
      Source: Internet leak of the complete song

    22. "Seeing Voices" (1997) - FINISHED
      Source: Internet leak of the complete song

    23. "Serious Effect (featuring LL Cool J)" (1990) - MOSTLY FINISHED
      Source: Internet leak of the complete song

    24. "She Got It" (1990) - MOSTLY FINISHED
      Source: Internet leak of the complete song

    25. "She's Trouble" (1982) - FINISHED
      Source: Internet leak of the complete song

    26. "Slapstick" (1982) - FINISHED
      Source: Internet leak of the complete song

    27. "State of Shock (duet with Freddie Mercury)" (1983) - FINISHED
      Source: Internet leak of the complete song

    28. "The Future" (1980) - FINISHED or MOSTLY FINISHED
      NOTE: The existence of the Will.i.am collaborations was called into question by Estate co-executor John Branca and archivist Karen Langford in 2017, when the two opined that no vocals existed from those sessions. This directly conflicts numerous statements made by Will.i.am between 2006 and 2017,
      as well as his brazen attempt at releasing "I'm Dreamin'" (see above) on his own album. In spite of this, this track is included nonetheless, as Will.i.am has proven himself a more trustworthy commentator than the Jackson estate.

      Source: Co-writer/co-producer Will.i.am

    29. "The Toy" (1981) - FINISHED
      Source: Several reliable individuals with access to the track

    30. "Throwin' Your Life Away" (1988) - FINISHED
      Source: Attendees of a seminar in which the song was played

    31. "Victory (duet with Freddie Mercury)" (1983) - FINISHED
      Source: Freddie Mercury's personal assistant Peter Freestone

    32. "What More Can I Give" (2001) - FINISHED
      Source: Internet leak of the complete song

    33. "What's Your Life" (c. 1981) - FINISHED
      Source: Jermaine Jackson's memoir You Are Not Alone

    34. "World of Candy" (2003) - FINISHED
      Sources: Michael's father Joseph Jackson, Ex-manager Dieter Weisner, duet partner Nisha Kataria

    35. "Work That Body" (1990) - FINISHED
      Source: Internet leak of the complete song

    Thank you very much for all of this work! There are quite a few on there that I personally wouldn't count as finished ("Jane is a Groupie"), or release worthy ("If You Don't Love Me"), and a few that were one-offs, never to be performed (or used) ever again, as ordered by Michael....like "Elizabeth, I Love You" and "What More Can I Give" (I love this one though).

    I'm not sure about the Will.i.am tracks....has he ever actually said there are full lyrics, because I don't think so?? He keeps talking about songs that he'll never release, which is frustrating to me and pointless. Judging by what Will.i.am has put out, himself, in recent years, I'm not sure that a Will.i.am/MJ collaboration would be "all that", any way. In addition, I'm not sure what the Estate would have to gain from saying there aren't any lyrics, if there actually are?? One would think it would be better to have more viable songs available than less.

    Brian May said that none of the songs recorded by Michael and Freddie Mercury together ("Victory", "State of Shock", "There Must Be More to Life Than This") were ever finished.

    Also, aren't "I Am a Loser" and "I Was the Loser" the same song?

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    Hi guys,

    Here's a list of unreleased songs submitted by the estate that popped up during the IRS trial. Don't know how many of these are completed/full state but it's promising.

    https://twitter.com/b__marco/status/833779875404210178

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    Default Re: How Many Unreleased Songs are Complete Enough for a Release?

    Question should be which songs are finished AND GOOD. There are a lot of unreleased finished ones that probably not many besides hardcore fans will be able to enjoy.

    They should do something with Sunset Driver though (besides including it on some forgotten Box Set). That's such a great catchy song with that Off The Wall vibe that a lot of the new artists have been trying to copy in the last years. But it would probably need another buzz factor like having another big name involved (like Timberlake in Love Never Felt So Good) to get it heard by the masses. Another car commercial maybe?

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    Glad everyone is enjoying the post! I'll be updating it whenever I need to

    Quote Originally Posted by Pentum View Post
    Tomboy - 85
    What You Do To Me - 85
    Throwing Your Life Away - 87
    Crack Kills - 86
    Changes - 80s (rough vocals though)
    Hot Fun in The Summertime

    Don't forget Craze which MP mentioned in the ****** episode. He had it, but gave no information on it. Might be a track. There are tons of stuff out there, really.
    "Tomboy" and "What You Do to Me" were originally listed, though I couldn't find any sufficient evidence to verify that they were vocally complete. Xscape Origins acknowledges that they both exist with at least partial vocals, but that's where the trail ends. Same goes for "Crack Kills" -- definitely exists in a recorded state (as per Joseph Vogel), but the level of completion is unknown. And I believe MP confirmed somewhere that only a portion of "Hot Fun in the Summertime" exists, which explains why Mary J. Blige and D'Angelo were brought in for Xscape.

    I completely forgot about "Craze" though! I'll do some research on that one. Thank you!

    Quote Originally Posted by Slave To The Rhythm View Post
    I guess we can add Lovely Way
    I always forget "Lovely Way"! Added

    Quote Originally Posted by Electro View Post
    Question should be which songs are finished AND GOOD. There are a lot of unreleased finished ones that probably not many besides hardcore fans will be able to enjoy.

    They should do something with Sunset Driver though (besides including it on some forgotten Box Set). That's such a great catchy song with that Off The Wall vibe that a lot of the new artists have been trying to copy in the last years. But it would probably need another buzz factor like having another big name involved (like Timberlake in Love Never Felt So Good) to get it heard by the masses. Another car commercial maybe?
    Who are we to determine what the general public would enjoy? We can't even firmly assess what the hardcore fans would enjoy, given that the Estate included Michael's original demos on Xscape specifically for us, and yet there are a substantial number of fans who prefer at least one of the remixes over the originals.

    I cannot disagree more with the notion of "Sunset Driver" being reissued on a studio album. There's no reason to choose that song over something we haven't heard before and, fantastic as it may be, the likelihood of a reissue doing anything to increase the social awareness/appreciation of it is incredibly low. The Estate tried to do the same thing on Michael with "The Way You Love Me" (another massively under-appreciated song), and that song doesn't carry any more weight than it did when it was first released in 2004. At this juncture in Michael's posthumous career, pretty much everything released has the strong chance of being forgotten months after it comes out. The Estate needs to stop chasing sales and charts and start making quality products.

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    Default Re: How Many Unreleased Songs are Complete Enough for a Release?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikky Dee View Post
    There are quite a few on there that I personally wouldn't count as finished ("Jane is a Groupie"), or release worthy ("If You Don't Love Me"), and a few that were one-offs, never to be performed (or used) ever again, as ordered by Michael....like "Elizabeth, I Love You" and "What More Can I Give" (I love this one though).
    This isn't a list of release-worthy songs — that would be entirely subjective and wouldn't do any good in the way of informative commentary. This is more of a reference catalog of titles known to have fully/mostly developed vocals that COULD be released, should the Estate ever feel obligated to do so. Fan favorite or not, if it has vocals, it's being included!

    (Side note: I feel "What More Can I Give" could be used again, given that the original roll-out was compromised by the infighting between Michael and Sony and sorta fell to the wayside. I'd rather "I Have This Dream" finally be heard, but either would suffice, especially in the current political/social climate.)

    I'm not sure about the Will.i.am tracks....has he ever actually said there are full lyrics, because I don't think so?? He keeps talking about songs that he'll never release, which is frustrating to me and pointless. Judging by what Will.i.am has put out, himself, in recent years, I'm not sure that a Will.i.am/MJ collaboration would be "all that", any way. In addition, I'm not sure what the Estate would have to gain from saying there aren't any lyrics, if there actually are?? One would think it would be better to have more viable songs available than less.
    Will.i.am has been incredibly flip-floppy over the years. He bounced from refusing to release anything out of respect for Michael's artistic process, to being willing under the condition that Katherine contacted him personally, to attempting to shoehorn one of the tracks onto his last album. He's been very consistent over the past decade that SOMETHING exists in the form of vocals, though he's never specified the exact quantity.

    Nothing the Estate says holds any weight in my opinion. Their comments are far too frequently contradictory to statements by third parties, questionable when put in context, or blatantly incorrect. (Consider when they asserted that several of Michael's sound engineers and producers verified the authenticity of the Cascio tracks just days before Cory Rooney claimed the exact opposite.) Branca and Langford's claim that there are no existing vocals from the Will.i.am sessions is a brazen lie in that it not only contradicts everything Will.i.am has said over the past 10 years, but also it fails to remember that "I'm Dreamin'" was at one point a release candidate. There is a fine line between a track having no vocals whatsoever and a track not having sufficient vocals to be released.

    My theory? The Estate doesn't have the vocals, so they assume they must not exist. Will.i.am always insisted Michael kept hold of his vocals after recording sessions, and it's rather evident that the Estate doesn't have access to everything.

    Brian May said that none of the songs recorded by Michael and Freddie Mercury together ("Victory", "State of Shock", "There Must Be More to Life Than This") were ever finished.
    Never finished =/= vocally incomplete

    Four of the eight songs on Xscape, despite having fully realized vocals, are by definition "unfinished". (One song, "Love Never Felt So Good," isn't even vocally complete — Michael mumbles rather frequently throughout the whole track!) The two leaked Mercury collaborations are much the same. With some polish, both "State of Shock" and "There Must Be More to Life Than This" could be fashioned into full songs.

    Also, aren't "I Am a Loser" and "I Was the Loser" the same song?
    They are! I included both for the sake of transparency, though it would make more sense to combine them. Good point!

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