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    Default Re: Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland" [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicMan26 View Post
    I went back to the Youtube video of Dan Reed's backstage interview today and noticed that the comments are now disabled.
    Ironic, considering that HBO are claiming 'LN' as 'free speech' in their case against the MJ Estate! LOL, I'd say their (and their cronies) behaviour is definitely 'chilling free speech'.
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    Default Re: Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland" [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicMan26 View Post
    I went back to the Youtube video of Dan Reed's backstage interview today and noticed that the comments are now disabled.
    Punk A$$ Can't Take The Heat!!!!!!!

    They just thought that everybody was going to fall in formation behind them, with their many lies and inconsistencies, but that didn't happen and it's NEVER going to happen.

    They may have won 1 award, but in my opinion, Reed was denied what he REALLY wanted. That being the "Director's" Award. Wining that Director's Award would have afforded Reed the opportunity to do a brand new round of interviews, wherein he could proclaim what a great director he is. Because, as far as I'm concerned, all he wants is acclaim for himself, he doesn't care about Safechuck or Robson. After all that press. After HBO's big Emmy push. All they got was 1 lousy award. EPIC FAIL!!!!!!

    They threw that dog a bone, but it wasn't the bone that dog wanted!

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    Default Re: Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland" [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

    I was thinking that the Emmys seem to have gone unnoticed by the general public and I'd not seen anything on BBC... but I just saw an article. The title is the estate's reaction (a farce) so not as bad as it could be I suppose. It would obviously be better if it was not mentioned at all.

    Michael Jackson estate calls Leaving Neverland's Emmy Award a 'farce'

    "Michael Jackson's estate has called the decision to give Leaving Neverland the Emmy Award for best documentary a "complete farce".
    Leaving Neverland, which first aired in March, focuses on two men who claim the pop superstar abused them as children.
    "For a film that is a complete fiction to be honoured in a non-fiction Emmy category is a complete farce," the estate said in a statement.
    It said there was "not one shred of proof" to support the show's claims.
    Leaving Neverland earned a total of five nominations ahead of the weekend's Creative Arts Emmys, and it went on to win outstanding documentary or non-fiction special.

    The controversial film, directed by Dan Reed, includes interviews with Wade Robson and James Safechuck, who were aged seven and 10 when the singer befriended them and their families.
    When the Emmy nominations were first announced, Reed said the recognition meant a great deal to all involved.
    "Since Leaving Neverland aired in March, it has launched many important conversations about child sexual abuse and the grooming that accompanies it," he said. "This was why James Safechuck and Wade Robson and their families spoke out, and why we made the documentary.
    "We're delighted that the Academy has honoured that purpose."

    *links*
    Jackson estate attacks 'lurid' documentary
    Jermaine Jackson: 'Michael is innocent'
    Channel 4 rejects Jackson doc complaint

    But after the win, the Jackson estate said in a statement to The Hollywood Reporter: "Not one shred of proof supports this completely one-sided, so-called documentary which was made in secrecy and for which not one person outside of the two subjects and their families were interviewed."
    After Leaving Neverland's premiere in January at the Sundance Film Festival, Jackson's estate called the project "a tabloid character assassination" and insisted it "isn't a documentary"."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-49725926

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    Default Re: Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland" [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

    From a fan on Twitter:

    ''... an interesting issue about Wade. Why didn't he attend?....''

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    Robson "probably" had a LIST OF DEMANDS that The Emmys/HBO denied. LOL.
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    Default Re: Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland" [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

    Quote Originally Posted by WannaScream View Post
    I was thinking that the Emmys seem to have gone unnoticed by the general public and I'd not seen anything on BBC... but I just saw an article. The title is the estate's reaction (a farce) so not as bad as it could be I suppose. It would obviously be better if it was not mentioned at all.
    In my opinion, their little Emmy win didn't get as much attention as they wanted.

    Folks in the media know what time it is, they're just NOT ALLOWED to say what time it is. The majority of them have seen the same things we have seen since this mockumentary was released (case in point: they ALL know about The Train Station Story), but because of the powers that be, they have to tow the line OR be out of a job. And even if they dare put something in a story that is Pro-MJ, their editor has the final say.

    And then they have the nerve to wonder why the majority of the general public no longer trust the media!

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    Default Re: Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland" [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

    https://www.hotnewhiphop.com/michael...ews.90928.html

    Michael Jackson's Nephew Blasts 50 Cent For "Little Boys' Butts" Comment: Report

    There has been an unusual amount of online discourse that continues being brought up by the likes of 50 Cent, regarding who is a better performer between Michael Jackson and Chris Brown. For many of us, the question isn't even up for debate. MJ wins in a landslide. That's not taking anything away from Breezy either -- the man is one of the greatest artists on this planet. He's extraordinarily talented. But he's not the King of Pop. Fiddy was trying to argue that the Virginia native is a stronger star than Jackson ever was and when the legend's daughter Paris got involved, he made a disgusting comment about the countless sexual molestation claims made against the pop star.

    "Why am I the bad guy," asked 50 in a social media upload. "I understand how you feel Paris, but does anyone care about how the little boys butts feels."

    Of course, the comment was met with a lot of backlash and, understandably, the post has been deleted. TJ Jackson, MJ's nephew, has reportedly provided a response to the issue via All Hip Hop, stating that he doesn't see the superstar rapper in the same light. "I loved 'In Da Club' and some other 50 Cent songs, but I lost a lot of respect for him," said TJ in an unconfirmed report. "A lot of respect, for many reasons. I just don’t think it was cool to attack my uncle without doing any research on the truth. Then for him to attack my younger cousin who has to deal with all this, is even more immature and more disgusting. Hopefully, he’ll mature and see more of a respectful side, but it is what it is."

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    Default Re: Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland" [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Apple NYC View Post
    From a fan on Twitter:

    ''... an interesting issue about Wade. Why didn't he attend?....''

    __________________________________________________ ________

    Robson "probably" had a LIST OF DEMANDS that The Emmys/HBO denied. LOL.
    I asked the very same question, tbh I thought it would have been robson that would have attended, there must be a reason for why he wasn't there, I hope we get to find out. when the court case gets thrown out again what happens after that, are them two just going to crawl back under the rock they crawled out of?

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    Default Re: Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland" [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Apple NYC View Post
    They may have won 1 award, but in my opinion, Reed was denied what he REALLY wanted. That being the "Director's" Award. Wining that Director's Award would have afforded Reed the opportunity to do a brand new round of interviews, wherein he could proclaim what a great director he is. Because, as far as I'm concerned, all he wants is acclaim for himself, he doesn't care about Safechuck or Robson. After all that press. After HBO's big Emmy push. All they got was 1 lousy award. EPIC FAIL!!!!!!

    They threw that dog a bone, but it wasn't the bone that dog wanted!
    Agreed; I've thought about this a lot. I honestly don't know if Reed actually believes the accusations anymore (if he ever really did) or if he's just digging in his heels at this point to make himself look good. He can talk all he wants about "bringing closure" or "making others feel safe to report," but this has always been all about him, at least in his mind.

    Something else that still really bothers me: the fact that he's said before that he chooses what movies and shows to make based on what turns him on. (IIRC, he said that in reference to his Pedophile Hunter show from a few years ago.) I really hope someone brings that up if/when he does any Q&A sessions about the Emmy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nantucket Cat View Post
    Agreed; I've thought about this a lot. I honestly don't know if Reed actually believes the accusations anymore (if he ever really did) or if he's just digging in his heels at this point to make himself look good. He can talk all he wants about "bringing closure" or "making others feel safe to report," but this has always been all about him, at least in his mind.
    For me, its the latter.

    I mean, look how quickly he answered for Safechuck, when the Train Station Story came out. In his efforts to try and save his little lie project, he threw Safechuck under the bus.

    In my opinion, he wasn't trying to save Safechuck, he was trying to save himself. And in his efforts to save himself, he not only damaged Safechuck's lawsuit, he also gave cause for folks to look at Safechuck's bogus claims a little closer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nantucket Cat View Post
    Agreed; I've thought about this a lot. I honestly don't know if Reed actually believes the accusations anymore (if he ever really did) or if he's just digging in his heels at this point to make himself look good. He can talk all he wants about "bringing closure" or "making others feel safe to report," but this has always been all about him, at least in his mind.

    Something else that still really bothers me: the fact that he's said before that he chooses what movies and shows to make based on what turns him on. (IIRC, he said that in reference to his Pedophile Hunter show from a few years ago.) I really hope someone brings that up if/when he does any Q&A sessions about the Emmy.
    I am telling you, Dan is hiding something about himself. He has a smirk on his face too much on this issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by terrell View Post
    I am telling you, Dan is hiding something about himself. He has a smirk on his face too much on this issue.
    I'm with you on that one, terrell. I suspect he's a pedophile himself. What kind of person, especially a grown man, would fantasize about a child sexually? Also, that "Fatal Attraction" thing they had about Michael... just saying...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carmour260 View Post
    I'm with you on that one, terrell. I suspect he's a pedophile himself. What kind of person, especially a grown man, would fantasize about a child sexually? Also, that "Fatal Attraction" thing they had about Michael... just saying...
    He's definitely got issues I'm just sure what they are, all three are obsessed with MJ that much is true. I know Reed knows Michael didn't do anything and them two have made it up. It feels to me like it's just a game now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Staffordshire Bullterrier View Post
    Jesus christ.

    While that one is apparently very real, very hard to watch and very credible with believeable things being said by the actual victims. Unlike these fake victims in LN making a mockery of real abuse victims.

    Hollyweird is just so damn vile.

    I saw it.

    For a person watching it who doesn't know about either case there isn't much differentiation between them in terms of how persuasive or effective they are. So it's not any more convincing than Leaving Neverland IMO. However it IS better than LN because it's only half the length and does the same job. LN was bloated.

    Untouchable had audio of Harvey, but LN audio had audio of MJ. It was edited out of context. I don't know about the Harvey audio.
    It had photos, so did LN.
    It had stories from victims. So did LN.
    It had stories from others who had been told about events, so did LN.

    Untouchable didn't provide any real evidence, nor did LN.

    There was one lady in there who was clearly (IMO) acting her interview. now whether or not what she was saying was true or not, I have no idea. But if she was being truthful she undermined it by over acting. That's all I'm going to say on it.
    For the other ladies, well I'm not going to judge.


    This is the difficulty we face with LN.
    People expect a documentary to be honest but LN wasn't. I have no idea if Untouchable was.
    People DONT expect there to be any real evidence to back up claims of historic abuse because usually there isn't going to be any, so they rely on the accusers being truthful and as we know in LN that isn't always the case, but I only know that because I read court documents. I haven't for Unbreakable.

    One clear indicator of strength for the case against Harvey is the number of women involved, and this echos other similar allegations of abuse. BUT after MJ's case this hasn't happened, even if you choose to believe Jacobshagen. even if you choose to ignore the not guilty verdict and include Arvizo, Chandler, and Francia as victims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anna View Post
    Untouchable is a powerful documentary, I would definitely recommend it. The accusers seem very genuine. One part that particularly struck me was a story of how Weinstein attacked a reporter - and this happened in front of a crowd and a ton of flashing cameras - but those pictures never made the papers. It just perfectly summed up the influence that the Hollywood elite have over the media. This quote from Weinstein was caught on tape by the reporter right before the assault: "I'm glad I'm the f*****g sheriff of this s**t-ass f*****g town."

    Crazy.
    To me that audio didn't sound like Weinsein. I'm not saying it's not for sure (I'm no expert on his voice), but it doesn't match the description given in the documentary.

    Listen again.

    It was a man speaking with NO noise in the background. It was silent. That's not a recording from a crowded area with cameras flashing and a lot of fuss. Wouldn't you expect some background chatter at the least?

    So something doesn't add up.
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