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    It's just unbelievable and goddamn tragic how after so many years this shit is actually still going on. All we can hope is that the judge and jurors, if it comes to that don't lack common sense, can see this for what it is.

    But if not, then **** it. Mike is unbreakable. Ever since that filth aired his music is back on top, he has even more fans now and people seem to be waking up. And for those that say "where there's smoke, there's fire", these idiots have always had that mind state and they are losers.

    It IS very sad though that his kids, Taj, his mother have to go through all this BS again. Boy there need to be some changes in the US law.

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    Interestingly a quite similar thing (obviously not to this extent) is happening to Johnny Depp. Story in brief: his ex-wife Amber Heard accused him very publicly with domestic violence, and she sort of made a second carrier out of being a "victim and activist" with MSM and civil right organisations stooding behind her (e.g. she became ACLU ambassador for "women's rights with a focus on gender-based violence" among others).

    Now Depp is suing her for defamation, and his evidence suggests not only that he was innocent all along but also that Heard may have been the abuser herself.

    Sure the outcome of the case is yet to be known, but one would think that civil right organisations always make sure that their ambassadors are provably credible in order to represent their cause the best (because it's should be the cause that matters, not celebrities associated with it).

    Instead they still support Heard to the point of interfering into the proceedings: "The ACLU wants to enter the Johnny Depp vs Amber Heard defamation case in support of the actress" - quite ironic if the victim is indeed Depp instead of Heard. And of course there's not much media coverage of Depp's side either. It's almost like they invested so much into Heard being a victim that now they rather continue to support her then admit they may have been fooled.

    Now don't get me wrong, the work of the ACLU is very important and mostly genuine, but cases like this can harm their credibility to some extent, because it looks like it's rather about PR and saving face than about justice - and that's a problem.

    And that's exactly the problem with CSA organisations siding with R&S as well. If it's a serious organisation they should investigate the cases before backing them. If they investigate R&S they'll know they are lying - or let's phrase it more diplomatically: they'll realise R&S aren't good representatives for the cause because of their credibility issues.

    That is, those supporting R&S 1) didn't investigate or 2) know they are lying but still support them because of the PR factor - both option is quite alarming and undermines the credibility of the organisation.
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    Default Re: Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland" [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

    Why the Estate didn't sue Dan Reed for using Michael's songs in Leaving Neverland?
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    why didnt Colony Capital sue Dan Reed/HBO for using their video footage of Neverland?
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    So basically the sole reason for them reconsidering the lawsuits again is because of LN then? Because they got dismissed in 2017 and not a damn thing changed. Except for that filth, which contained easily provable lies, contradictions and so on. These two pieces of shit have proven they can't stick to one story, so HOW can they ever hope to win this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Staffordshire Bullterrier View Post
    So basically the sole reason for them reconsidering the lawsuits again is because of LN then? Because they got dismissed in 2017 and not a damn thing changed. Except for that filth, which contained easily provable lies, contradictions and so on. These two pieces of shit have proven they can't stick to one story, so HOW can they ever hope to win this?
    Nope, there was a change in the law, here's a thread on it:



    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...866451458.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Staffordshire Bullterrier View Post
    So basically the sole reason for them reconsidering the lawsuits again is because of LN then? Because they got dismissed in 2017 and not a damn thing changed. Except for that filth, which contained easily provable lies, contradictions and so on. These two pieces of shit have proven they can't stick to one story, so HOW can they ever hope to win this?
    L.N has nothing to do with it. Theres a new law thats why they can refile.nothing else

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozemouze View Post
    As always was for MJ. It will be 05 all over again: accusations repeated infinitely by the media and no words about how those testimonies crumbled on cross examinations. No reporting on the defence at all. They will show a virtual reality completely different from the court transcripts. If the Estate wins they will dismiss it.

    They will NEVER report the truth. They invested in the lies financially and - I think even more importantly - credibility-wise. In order to report the truth, they should admit they lied to you for decades! They can't afford this.

    Members of the public will only know the truth if they use common sense to begin with and then fact check and research it for themselves - so it requires work. Now compare this to the situation of those who are ready to be spoonfed by a whole industry built on defeaming MJ, how much easier it is for them (and rewarding: they will be praised for their virtue signaling, while those who defend MJ will be labelled as blinded fans in the slightest).

    Shame on everyone who supports this farce and gives credibility to it. Because make no mistake they: all know W&R's are fishy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozemouze View Post
    As always was for MJ. It will be 05 all over again: accusations repeated infinitely by the media and no words about how those testimonies crumbled on cross examinations. No reporting on the defence at all. They will show a virtual reality completely different from the court transcripts. If the Estate wins they will dismiss it.

    They will NEVER report the truth. They invested in the lies financially and - I think even more importantly - credibility-wise. In order to report the truth, they should admit they lied to you for decades! They can't afford this.

    Members of the public will only know the truth if they use common sense to begin with and then fact check and research it for themselves - so it requires work. Now compare this to the situation of those who are ready to be spoonfed by a whole industry built on defeaming MJ, how much easier it is for them (and rewarding: they will be praised for their virtue signaling, while those who defend MJ will be labelled as blinded fans in the slightest).

    Shame on everyone who supports this farce and gives credibility to it. Because make no mistake they: all know W&R's are fishy.
    Again, this is 2019 not 2005. This is a whole new world with social media, facebook, instragram, etc even for the media. The old way does not work no more for the media and you should see that how MJ is still played and celebrated (even the FEW stations that had MJ removed has his back on). The work fans, fair minded people, have done on social media worked and do not think for one minute it did not (that is why some tabloid media outlets/sites tried to down play fans but that did not work; even with this law suit, you can believe those who hear it is like "these guys are full of it". The media can not dismiss the Estate no matter how much they wanted to so. Oprah faced a real backlash that she is still on her PR clean up adventure and she is still being called out. So again, fans work is not unnoticed regardless if the media admit it or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Staffordshire Bullterrier View Post
    So basically the sole reason for them reconsidering the lawsuits again is because of LN then? Because they got dismissed in 2017 and not a damn thing changed. Except for that filth, which contained easily provable lies, contradictions and so on. These two pieces of shit have proven they can't stick to one story, so HOW can they ever hope to win this?
    Like they said, it was due to the new law, nothing else. And again, in USA, ANYONE can file a law suit even if it is stupid. Look at some vegans now want to sue Burger King over the new meatless burger (if they think it is not meatless enuf, DO NOT EAT IT) but again, it will be filed (and likely thrown out but the point is ANYONE CAN FILE A LAW SUIT but it does not mean it will go to trial nor will they win. The judges can think they are full of it but due to the new law will let reconsider filing it.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozemouze View Post
    Nope, there was a change in the law, here's a thread on it:



    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...866451458.html
    More goddamned injustice basically, what lucky assholes these two are, sigh.

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    L.N has nothing to do with it. Theres a new law thats why they can refile.nothing else
    Thanks for letting me know.

    Just now I saw a tweet and it contained a picture of some bald idiot with W&J and how he supported them and one comment was all "so happy for you guys, we all know the truth."

    And I'm like, Jesus, some people are just so damn delusional. Let's just hope it gets dismissed once again, there is really no reason for it not to. In fact with all the stuff the estate has it should be even less of a problem. But we'll see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terrell View Post
    Again, this is 2019 not 2005. This is a whole new world with social media, facebook, instragram, etc even for the media. The old way does not work no more for the media and you should see that how MJ is still played and celebrated (even the FEW stations that had MJ removed has his back on). The work fans, fair minded people, have done on social media worked and do not think for one minute it did not (that is why some tabloid media outlets/sites tried to down play fans but that did not work; even with this law suit, you can believe those who hear it is like "these guys are full of it". The media can not dismiss the Estate no matter how much they wanted to so. Oprah faced a real backlash that she is still on her PR clean up adventure and she is still being called out. So again, fans work is not unnoticed regardless if the media admit it or not.
    I appreciate your constant optimism, I really do.

    But this neverending fight is tiring and depressing. It's like a permanent war we can never win (or at least finish). After every positive events comes something bad, almost like a scheduled counter-attack. Older fans are fighting this neverending battle for 30 years now (it's very uplifting though to see the young fans taking over and they do it amazingly!). The MSM is in decline ATM but it still the main source of information. Plus the MJ cases are complicated and require time and attention to understand dry facts, while the MSM operates with sensational headlines focusing on quick emotional impact. MJ's detractors are protected so basically untouchable. R&S can lie as blatantly and as many times as they want the US media won't expose them. Oprah may suffer a backlash from the public but it won't matter as long as she's awarded with top contracts and pushed by media moguls. There's no law protecting the dead. If R&S's lawsuits go to trial it will take years and the media will seize every opportunity to report the allegations again and again (basically they have a copy-paste narrative for years). But if the Estate wins they will spin it or dismiss it.

    The MJ scam story actually is a big story that could fascinate the public and convince them of MJ's innocence. Problem is NO ONE will report it. Catch-22: we would need the very platform to expose the truth wich is invested in the lie and is holding back the truth for decades.
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    It will be up to a jury to decide how this lawsuit ends up. That’s what I think is the hardest part of all this. I mean, who hasn’t heard of LN or this lawsuit by now? And besides fans and fair-minded people, who hasn't decided Michael was guilty a long time before now?

    I’m sorry. But I blame the media for a lot of this mess.They should’ve been objective about Michael all along. Their overly negative reporting on him is the reason that fans are constantly being attacked And dismissed even though Fans make very valid points in Michael’s defense. The debate about his innocence would have been much less severe if The media had been unbiased from the start especially about the 1994 settlement. I think the media distorted The facts of what went into that and got the ball rolling to where we are now. Everybody has an opinion and most of the time, it is negative. And there are people making excuses for these men doing what they’re doing like these men are such saints even with all the changes in their stories and the glaring problems with LN. And these same people accuse Michael’s supporters of being biased, trying to “justify his behavior” and\or worshipping him like a god just because they don't believe the accusations. So give me a fake-rake’n’ break. Although, I wish I could say that I don’t blame Michael's detractors since the media has given them a negatively slanted image of him for years, IMO. I just hate that the chances of people finding out what this whole mess-fest saga has really been about is less than none.
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