Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland" [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

[john13th]

Where can I find the podcast where John Ziegler comments about Joy and Stephanie reactions in the video above?

[myosotis]

Where can I find the podcast where John Ziegler comments about Joy and Stephanie reactions in the video above?

Possibly 'Frauds and Fakes, dated 17 March 2019, on Free Speech Broadcasting. Is appx 44 mins onwards what you are looking for ?

https://soundcloud.com/freespeechbro...auds-and-fakes

[myosotis]

'Kew Media' continues to nosedive... LOL.

Exclusive: Kew Media Group’s restructuring process revealed

......Kew was funded by an IPO and is listed on the Toronto Stock Exchange, where its share price has nose dived from C$6.14 in mid-November to C$0.83 today, valuing the group at just under C$12m. The outfit announced late last year that lenders had provided notice of an event of default under its senior credit facilities, which Kew said was due to the “inaccurate information” provided to them by former CFO Webb.

Kew has not yet responded to a request for comment.

https://tbivision.com/2020/01/09/exc...cess-revealed/


(That's another drop from 11th December 19, when :

https://tbivision.com/2019/12/11/kew...ff-webb-exits/

oooops... Their shares have been taken off the market

KEW MEDIA GROUP Announces Temporary Cease Trade Order

TORONTO--(BUSINESS WIRE)--KEW MEDIA GROUP INC. (“KEW” or the “Company”) (TSX:KEW and KEW.WT) today announced that, as a result of the matters described below, the Ontario Securities Commission (“OSC”) has issued a temporary Cease Trade Order (the “Temporary Order”) preventing trading in the Company’s shares effective immediately. The Temporary Order will expire after 15 days unless it is extended or changed.

On January 15, 2020, the Company announced the withdrawal by the Company’s auditor of its audit reports for the years ended December 31, 2017 and 2018 and its interim review reports to the audit committee of the Company for each interim period within the 2017, 2018 and 2019 fiscal years of KEW (collectively, the “Auditor Reports”). Kew’s auditor informed the Company that the withdrawal is a result of the actions of KEW’s former Chief Financial Officer and its inability to rely on representations he made to them in the course of its audit and review of KEW’s financial statements.

https://www.businesswire.com/news/ho...ry-Cease-Trade

Latest stock price:PRICE (CAD) 0.64
TODAY'S CHANGE 0.00 / 0.00%
SHARES TRADED 0.00
1 YEAR CHANGE -88.04%
NET INCOME IN CAD -2.99m

https://markets.ft.com/data/equities...mary?s=KEW:TOR
Also

https://walletinvestor.com/tose-stoc...ock-prediction

and from Twitter:
Kew Media investigates ex-CFO as auditor pulls financials, while its banks - which include TD and BMO - say it’s in default on its loans


Andrew Willis@willis_andrew theglobeandmail.com

[NatureCriminal7896]

That was a different day and age. Back then, kids could go and buy cigers and walk down the street alone.

Yeah. but it was still wrong.

[NatureCriminal7896]

Off topic, but it depends which dictionary you are using:

Uncle Tom /ʌŋkl ˈtɒm/

nounOFFENSIVE•NORTH AMERICAN

a black man considered to be excessively obedient or servile to white people.
a person regarded as betraying their cultural or social allegiance.


The Urban dictionary seems to disagree:

Theatrical productions of Uncle Tom's Cabin played throughout the nadir (post Civil War and Reconstruction); but since the novel's indictment of slavery was no longer congenial to an increasingly white society, rewrites changed Uncle Tom from a martyr who gave his life to protect the people into a sentimental dope who was loyal to kindly masters. In the black community, Uncle Tom eventually came to mean an African American who sells out his people's interests and still does today. In my opinion the phrase "uncle tom" should not be used today by black people because it degrades the status of a man who wasn't in fact a sell out but a hero who's name should be used with reverence not disgrace.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/defi...rm=Uncle%20Tom

[john13th]

Possibly 'Frauds and Fakes, dated 17 March 2019, on Free Speech Broadcasting. Is appx 44 mins onwards what you are looking for ?

https://soundcloud.com/freespeechbro...auds-and-fakes

I listened to it from 44 min and onwards but it wasn't this one even though he mentioned a bit about Joy and Stephanie about the radio interview Joy had in 2011 and Stephanie dancing when she heard about Michaels death.

[Paris78]

My husband & I went to MJ‘s grave today. He‘s so passionate about defending MJ after we listened to dozens of episodes of @TheMJCast during a road trip for the last 4 weeks. We’re all in this together!!!Thanks to all who bring flowers & letters to mj‘s grave 🙌🏼 #mjfam #MJInnocent pic.twitter.com/OVMSVFEYnW

— Sarah von Schlotterstein (@FriedaMinna) 18. Januar 2020

[myosotis]

I think I missed the NTA noms. Thank you for that info.
The O2 showed no love for MJ after 25 June 09. When fans held tribute events there, they were barely tolerated and moved on by staff as soon as possible.

Unbelievably LN is also nominated for yet another USA award, The American Cinema Editors 'Eddie' Award. (They must be considering awards for 'deceptive editing', drone shots and adding clips from the internet while removing context):
(PS we have already read from the 'ITA award' press that LN was not submitted for an Oscar).

The nominations for the 70th Annual ACE Eddie Awards are hereby announced.
American Cinema Editors recognizes outstanding editing in 11 categories of film, television and documentaries. Winners will be revealed during ACE’s annual black-tie awards ceremony on Friday, Jan. 17 in the International Ballroom of the Beverly Hilton Hotel. It is presided over by ACE President, Stephen Rivkin, ACE.

BEST EDITED DOCUMENTARY (NON-THEATRICAL):

Abducted in Plain Sight
James Cude


Bathtubs Over Broadway
Dava Whisenant

Leaving Neverland
Jules Cornell

What’s My Name: Muhammad Ali
Jake Pushinsky, ACE`

https://americancinemaeditors.org/ed...ddie-nominees/

I wonder if they've already booked their sponsorship table at the event?
https://americancinemaeditors.org/ed.../sponsorships/
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Since 1951, American Cinema Editors has celebrated the best in television and feature film editing at the annual ACE Eddie Awards gala. More than a thousand of the entertainment industry’s most accomplished editors, filmmakers and Hollywood elite attend the black-tie event held each year at the famed Beverly Hilton hotel.

A prelude to the Oscars, the Eddies are considered a barometer for the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences’ Best Picture and Best Editing categories. The ACE Eddies is one of the longest-running awards shows in the entertainment industry.

Thankfully LN didn't win this one.

'Parasite,' 'Jojo Rabbit' Top American Cinema Editors' Eddie Awards

Best Edited Documentary (Small Screen)

What's My Name: Muhammad Ali, Jake Pushinsky, ACE - WINNER
Abducted in Plain Sight, James Cude}
Bathtubs Over Broadway, Dava Whisenant
Leaving Neverland, Jules Cornell

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/li...vision-1269517

[myosotis]

Extracts from an article about Oprah that actually mentions the holes in the Ln stories eg the railway station!

Nolte: Oprah Winfrey Stabs #MeToo Filmmakers in the Back

Oprah Winfrey just stabbed #MeToo documentary filmmakers Kirby Dick and Amy Ziering in the back by abruptly pulling out of their upcoming movie, which means they have lost their distributor.

The history of this, as laid out by ShowBiz 411, is extremely revealing about just what a terrible person Oprah is.

None of this is at all surprising, at least not to me. Let’s not forget we’re talking about the same Oprah Winfrey who falsely accused an innocent shopgirl of racism back in 2003 to help promote a movie.

By the way, the movie in question– and this is important — was The Butler, which was produced by Harvey Weinstein, the disgraced mogul currently on trial for rape. It’s no secret, either, that Oprah and Weinstein became close during this time and that Oprah very much appreciated the (failed) campaign Weinstein launched to win her an Oscar.

...................So when the documentary, which is titled On the Record, was going to focus on Weinstein, there was no involvement from Oprah. But once the focus changed to a “major figure” in the record biz — Russell Simmons — Oprah’s suddenly on board.

We don’t know if Oprah was a catalyst for shifting the focus away from Weinstein and on Simmons, or if she came on board after the focus had already shifted. What we do know is that this is the same Oprah who put her considerable weight (no pun intended) behind Leaving Neverland, the HBO documentary that accused a deceased Michael Jackson of serially-abusing two young boys for years.

Oprah caught a lot of flak for jumping on the Leaving Neverland train. To begin with, Jackson is dead and unable to defend himself. The two accusers the doc focused on are now contradicting earlier claims Jackson never abused them. Both are seeking money from the Jackson estate. And then a gigantic hole was found in one of the accuser’s story. He who claimed to have been abused at Jackson’s Neverland train station. The only problem is that the train station did not exist at that time.

And then, to keep her ride on the oh-so trendy #MeToo wave going, she jumps aboard the Simmons exposé.

Two black icons.

Black.

And people noticed.

Left-wing activist Bishop Talbert Swan, blistered Oprah on social media. Referring to unconfirmed rumors about #MeToo problems in Oprah’s own family, Talbert tweeted: “Since Oprah Is concerned about alleged sexual assault victims of Black men, maybe she’ll do a doc on the young lady seeking support from the Vernon Winfrey Scholarship Fund to attend TN State U, but got flashed, touched and coerced for sex.”

He followed this up with: “Oprah‘s mantra is #BelieveVictims when it comes to Michael Jackson, R. Kelly, Bill Cosby, Russell Simmons, and every other Black man.”

He added, “Should that not apply to her daddy? Should it apply to her buddy Harvey Weinstein? Other white men?”

Rapper 50 Cent pointed out the same on his Instagram account: “I don’t understand why Oprah is going after black men. No Harvey Weinstein, No Epstein, just Michael Jackson and Russell Simmons this shit is sad.”

Back in December, Simmons himself asked Oprah why she chose to single him out......

And now, just days before the January 25 premiere of the Simmons documentary at Sundance, Oprah not only bails, she’s attacking the film as “not ready” and questioning the veracity of one of Simmons’ accusers while claiming she still believes her................

As I’ve already expressed countless times, I’m more than a little disgusted by these public trials by way of reality show and social media and cable news and The Very Important Documentary. Whether it’s Michael Jackson or Russell Simmons or Scientology or Roger Ailes or Robert Durst or R. Kelly, it’s a pop culture kangaroo court. It’s un-American. To convict people, to smear them forever as monsters outside a courtroom, is disgusting. The power of pop culture should be used to test The System, not to notch a win for the Michael Jackson prosecutors after they failed to convince a jury.

Setting my personal beliefs aside, though, look at how terrible Oprah is. Is it not a fair question to ask why she only puts her considerable media power behind documentaries targeting black icons, one of whom is dead?

Is it not fair to ask why she’s not using her considerable media power to dig into Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein and NBC’s apparent covering up for Weinstein and Matt Lauer?

And then, to bail on these filmmakers, to pull the distribution rug out from under them at the last second, and to do it while undermining their film…

What a terrible person Oprah Winfrey is.

Me-Me-Me-Me-Me…

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainm...s-in-the-back/

[Mikky Dee]

Thankfully LN didn't win this one.

'Parasite,' 'Jojo Rabbit' Top American Cinema Editors' Eddie Awards

Best Edited Documentary (Small Screen)

What's My Name: Muhammad Ali, Jake Pushinsky, ACE - WINNER
Abducted in Plain Sight, James Cude}
Bathtubs Over Broadway, Dava Whisenant
Leaving Neverland, Jules Cornell

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/li...vision-1269517

Glad to see that it didn't win. Nominating it for "best edited" is an absolute joke. Any time I think of editing with regard to this film, I think of how it was changed on the fly, every time fans and/or family found lies and other inconsistencies. It was actually forty-five minutes shorter, from one network screening to the next, or so I heard.

[ScreenOrigami]

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainm...s-in-the-back/

OK … but it’s still Breitbart, though …

[somewhereinthedark]

Extracts from an article about Oprah that actually mentions the holes in the Ln stories eg the railway station!

Nolte: Oprah Winfrey Stabs #MeToo Filmmakers in the Back

Oprah Winfrey just stabbed #MeToo documentary filmmakers Kirby Dick and Amy Ziering in the back by abruptly pulling out of their upcoming movie, which means they have lost their distributor.

The history of this, as laid out by ShowBiz 411, is extremely revealing about just what a terrible person Oprah is.

None of this is at all surprising, at least not to me. Let’s not forget we’re talking about the same Oprah Winfrey who falsely accused an innocent shopgirl of racism back in 2003 to help promote a movie.

By the way, the movie in question– and this is important — was The Butler, which was produced by Harvey Weinstein, the disgraced mogul currently on trial for rape. It’s no secret, either, that Oprah and Weinstein became close during this time and that Oprah very much appreciated the (failed) campaign Weinstein launched to win her an Oscar.

...................So when the documentary, which is titled On the Record, was going to focus on Weinstein, there was no involvement from Oprah. But once the focus changed to a “major figure” in the record biz — Russell Simmons — Oprah’s suddenly on board.

We don’t know if Oprah was a catalyst for shifting the focus away from Weinstein and on Simmons, or if she came on board after the focus had already shifted. What we do know is that this is the same Oprah who put her considerable weight (no pun intended) behind Leaving Neverland, the HBO documentary that accused a deceased Michael Jackson of serially-abusing two young boys for years.

Oprah caught a lot of flak for jumping on the Leaving Neverland train. To begin with, Jackson is dead and unable to defend himself. The two accusers the doc focused on are now contradicting earlier claims Jackson never abused them. Both are seeking money from the Jackson estate. And then a gigantic hole was found in one of the accuser’s story. He who claimed to have been abused at Jackson’s Neverland train station. The only problem is that the train station did not exist at that time.

And then, to keep her ride on the oh-so trendy #MeToo wave going, she jumps aboard the Simmons exposé.

Two black icons.

Black.

And people noticed.

Left-wing activist Bishop Talbert Swan, blistered Oprah on social media. Referring to unconfirmed rumors about #MeToo problems in Oprah’s own family, Talbert tweeted: “Since Oprah Is concerned about alleged sexual assault victims of Black men, maybe she’ll do a doc on the young lady seeking support from the Vernon Winfrey Scholarship Fund to attend TN State U, but got flashed, touched and coerced for sex.”

He followed this up with: “Oprah‘s mantra is #BelieveVictims when it comes to Michael Jackson, R. Kelly, Bill Cosby, Russell Simmons, and every other Black man.”

He added, “Should that not apply to her daddy? Should it apply to her buddy Harvey Weinstein? Other white men?”

Rapper 50 Cent pointed out the same on his Instagram account: “I don’t understand why Oprah is going after black men. No Harvey Weinstein, No Epstein, just Michael Jackson and Russell Simmons this shit is sad.”

Back in December, Simmons himself asked Oprah why she chose to single him out......

And now, just days before the January 25 premiere of the Simmons documentary at Sundance, Oprah not only bails, she’s attacking the film as “not ready” and questioning the veracity of one of Simmons’ accusers while claiming she still believes her................

As I’ve already expressed countless times, I’m more than a little disgusted by these public trials by way of reality show and social media and cable news and The Very Important Documentary. Whether it’s Michael Jackson or Russell Simmons or Scientology or Roger Ailes or Robert Durst or R. Kelly, it’s a pop culture kangaroo court. It’s un-American. To convict people, to smear them forever as monsters outside a courtroom, is disgusting. The power of pop culture should be used to test The System, not to notch a win for the Michael Jackson prosecutors after they failed to convince a jury.

Setting my personal beliefs aside, though, look at how terrible Oprah is. Is it not a fair question to ask why she only puts her considerable media power behind documentaries targeting black icons, one of whom is dead?

Is it not fair to ask why she’s not using her considerable media power to dig into Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein and NBC’s apparent covering up for Weinstein and Matt Lauer?

And then, to bail on these filmmakers, to pull the distribution rug out from under them at the last second, and to do it while undermining their film…

What a terrible person Oprah Winfrey is.

Me-Me-Me-Me-Me…

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainm...s-in-the-back/

Great article pointing out how low life and slimey Oprah is. Now we just need someone to write an article pointing out the trashy, pedophilic Fantacist/Nambla leaning director Dan Reed.

[ScreenOrigami]

No one will take us seriously when we use “alt-right” Breitbart articles to prove a point. Please, everybody, look up what Breitbart is.
Yes, they write critical articles about Hollyweird, but for all the wrong reasons.

[myosotis]

Aaand another award nomination from the brainwashed media:
(No prizes for guessing who one of the sponsors of the Guild is - yup HBO)

2020 Producers Guild Awards, presented 18 Jan 2020

Nominated for The Award for Outstanding Producer of Non-Fiction Television

● 30 for 30 (Season 10)

○ Producers: Libby Geist, Connor Schell, John Dahl, Rob King, Erin Leyden, Gentry Kirby, Deidre Fenton, Marquis Daisy, Jenna Anthony, Adam Neuhaus

● 60 Minutes (Season 51, Season 52)

○ Producer: Bill Owens

● Leaving Neverland

○ Producer: Dan Reed

● Queer Eye (Season 3, Season 4)

○ Producers: David Collins, Michael Williams, Rob Eric, Jennifer Lane, Jordana Hochman, Rachelle Mendez, Mark Bracero

● Surviving R. Kelly (Season 1)

○ Producers: Joel Karsberg, dream hampton, Jesse Daniels, Tamra Simmons, Brie Miranda Bryant, Jessica Everleth, Mary Bissell, Maria Pepin, Charlotte Glover, Allison Brandin, Laura Hoeppner

https://www.producersguild.org/news/...020-Awards.htm

Held in January, the Producers Guild Awards is a must-attend event for the industry, and represents a unique chance for PGA members to extend their network, support their Guild, and pay tribute to the best of their profession. The 31st Annual Producers Guild Awards will be held at The Hollywood Palladium hotel in Los Angeles.

https://www.producersguild.org/page/pga_awards

Sponsors:
https://www.producersguild.org/page/sponsors

Unfortunately Reed did win this award

Producers Guild@producersguild· 6h

Congratulations to #LeavingNeverland and producer Dan Reed.

#PGAAwards

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/li...vision-1269987

Taj tweeted:

Taj Jackson@tajjackson3 1h

“Kicking me down, I've got to get up, as jacked as it sounds, the whole system sucks” MJ

[myosotis]

No one will take us seriously when we use “alt-right” Breitbart articles to prove a point. Please, everybody, look up what Breitbart is.
Yes, they write critical articles about Hollyweird, but for all the wrong reasons.

The problem is that no political party or movement has the monopoly on 100% truth about everything. It's possible to agree with an article about a topic, without agreeing with an entire 'philosophy' or political outlook.

The problem with 'Me Too' is that it has become emblematic of 'liberal thinking', which seems to tell us that in order to be a 'good person', you have to 'believe all victims'. The logical fallacy at the heart of 'believe all victims' is that such belief CREATES victims - ie the innocent people who are falsely accused.. But these innocent victims are not believed.

As long as 'liberal thinking' clings to these kind of mantras and beliefs, they leave space for the right and even alt/right to come in with more considered and logical arguments. Agreeing with these arguments doesn't make you an 'alt/right' supporter.

Some of the most valuable and vociferous MJ supporters in the media are 'right wing' (not alt / right) supporters, and fans have been very glad of their voices against the 'liberal' media who continue to write that Michael is guilty, despite all evidence to the contrary.

I'm sure that in time books and theses will be written about why 'liberals / democrats' swallowed the 'believe all victims' directive. And why they support Oprah et al.

In this case it seems to be the 'liberal' acceptance of 'believe all victims' that needs to change.