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    Default Re: Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland" [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

    Quote Originally Posted by Staffordshire Bullterrier View Post
    Did I miss something or has BBC's Simon Warr been really supportive of Michael? On Twitter I saw that he's not doing too well health wise and he gets a lot of support from MJ fans. He's from Channel 4 as well. Didn't BBC and Channel 4 shit on MJ though? Or is it like Geraldo, shit channel but the person is supportive?
    He’s the author of “Presumed Guilty”, a book that addresses the issue of false allegations, specifically in the UK. Not sure what he said about MJ, though.
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    Default Re: Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland" [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

    Quote Originally Posted by Staffordshire Bullterrier View Post
    Did I miss something or has BBC's Simon Warr been really supportive of Michael? On Twitter I saw that he's not doing too well health wise and he gets a lot of support from MJ fans. He's from Channel 4 as well. Didn't BBC and Channel 4 shit on MJ though? Or is it like Geraldo, shit channel but the person is supportive?
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    He’s the author of “Presumed Guilty”, a book that addresses the issue of false allegations, specifically in the UK. Not sure what he said about MJ, though.
    I'm not sure if he said anything about just MJ in particular, but as his main focus on twitter is false accusations and its serious consequences, there were often interactions with MJ supporters under his tweets.

    He was accused with historic CSA, tried and acquitted (I guess that's the force behind his mission to help others with similar situations and raise awareness for the topic in the public): https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-suffolk-29712967

    It's a sad news about his declining health.
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    That Zoe Kravitz has a lot to learn about life. **** her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozemouze View Post
    I'm not sure if he said anything about just MJ in particular, but as his main focus on twitter is false accusations and its serious consequences, there were often interactions with MJ supporters under his tweets.

    He was accused with historic CSA, tried and acquitted (I guess that's the force behind his mission to help others with similar situations and raise awareness for the topic in the public): https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-suffolk-29712967

    It's a sad news about his declining health.
    Yep, I didn’t know about his health issues … really sad.

    Thanks for the info, I’ll put his book on my reading list. It’s heartbreaking that these things are happening.

    This is what he said when he was asked about MJ, btw.:

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    Default Re: Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland" [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

    Quote Originally Posted by ScreenOrigami View Post
    This is what he said when he was asked about MJ, btw.:

    Thanks for looking it up! That's a very fair stance everyone should follow when they don't have enough information/motive to research further: just refrain from forming an uninformed jugdement - that's completely fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by terrell View Post
    They look foolish now.
    Hahahahaha exactly.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisC View Post
    The Zoe Kravitz thing is beyond shameful.

    The Quincy remark is something quite common when it comes to Michael. No other great artist is treated quite as badly as Michael when it comes to this stuff.

    I watched a documentary on the Hysteria album by Def Leppard yesterday and one of the guitarists spoke about how heavily they were influenced by a guitar part on one of their songs by the Police song Message in a Bottle. He goes on to play both riffs to show the similarities and openly states he emulated it. The track in no way rips off the Police and is presented as complimentary and as one great artist influencing another.

    Whenever something like that crops up with MJ it's presented entirely different. That he's a fraud, that he stole other from other artists...that he's "Machiavellian" . People are looking for absolutely ANY reason to discredit and sully Michael's name.

    It's actually complimentary because the treatment he suffered, and continues to suffer, is entirely unique to Michael Jackson and it doesn't take a genius to figure out why.

    Michael's artistry is going to outlast all of this, I guarantee it. And when it does, in 100 and 200 years, these people are going to look incredibly foolish.
    Quincy did a lot rude stuff to Michael in the past. but i agree with his remark here. when it comes to Michael get ready because there gonna be a lot people saying crap about him. it's been 10 years since he pass and he still is one of best musician of all time. no one hasn't got on his level yet. and it bothers them. i can say last year woke up people. so that's good.

    while Quincy did do a lot of rude stuff to Michael. we can't deny the fact he did help Michael with his 3 of albums. so i do thank him for helping him but he still wrong what he has done to Michael in the past.

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    with all the crap he done. i don't he will ever make it. and if so that's very sad.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mechaspiderman View Post
    Younger viewers who haven't read much into the case will take their word for granted and just run with it until someone challenges them.
    They been doing for decades since those lies came out. i'm glad that their are younger people and children knows who MJ was and is. thanks to the older gen and their grandparents.

    i don't even watch TV anymore. nowadays they just trying to push subjects that people don't agree with or make someone look bad etc. TV not the same anymore.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Staffordshire Bullterrier View Post
    Sadly Paris apparently follows her. Can't imagine her being exactly thrilled with such BS about her own dad.
    That's so sad. this really goes to show ya that not everyone is your friend and will stab in the back if you're not careful. i wish her the best of luck. prince and bigi need to be careful as well.



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    Quote Originally Posted by terrell View Post
    Many of those cases were proven. That is the difference with MJ. MJ still was treated far worst and more investigated.
    sad thing is he didn't do anything.

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    I'm glad Michael is innocent. which i already knew years ago. i'm glad no child got hurt or anything. i'm glad he when to court etc and told the truth. people who want him to be guilty are haters. they hate Michael. but it best to ignore and just keep defending him because that's the right thing to do.

    also those are Michael children. i don't know why people keep saying their not. they have his features and everything.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ozemouze View Post
    And it's not to take away from Quincy Jones, his influence to the music world is enormous (including jazz and soundtracks), but his importance regarding MJ's work is artificially magnified with an agenda.
    Quincy is famous on the level that he is, BECAUSE of Michael. There I said it.

    The generation depicted in this clearly awful television show know Quincy because of his work with Michael Jackson, by and large. I do not mean to undermine Quincy (unlike the man himself I give credit where credit is due) but there's no way his other work would make him as famous as he is with people born in the 80's and onwards.

    And I think that's partly why Quincy is so aggrieved all these years. His obit, if written by someone who isn't trying to undermine MJ, will say Thriller.

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    Quincy was very famous for his work pre mj. But that work wasnt know on a worldwide mainstream level. It was very much kept in his genre. Mj took him to world wide level because of his work with him.that overshadowed his own work and imo made him bitter and twisted. Hes like john landis in that way. His work with mj overshadowed his own and that annoyed him to put it nicely! I always remember a programe in the uk about heathrow airport.a fly on the wall. Mj was shown in it a few times.other celbs aswell. Quincy was shown in it arriving and the in house pap was asked who he was by staff. No one in the uk knew who he was.as to be expected unless you are a jazz follower or mj fan. The pap said hes the guy who worked on mjs albums. Sums it up.

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    Ouch.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisC View Post
    Quincy is famous on the level that he is, BECAUSE of Michael. There I said it.

    The generation depicted in this clearly awful television show know Quincy because of his work with Michael Jackson, by and large. I do not mean to undermine Quincy (unlike the man himself I give credit where credit is due) but there's no way his other work would make him as famous as he is with people born in the 80's and onwards.

    And I think that's partly why Quincy is so aggrieved all these years. His obit, if written by someone who isn't trying to undermine MJ, will say Thriller.
    Thank you. Michael was already a household name before Quincy ever came into the picture

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    Quote Originally Posted by elusive moonwalker View Post
    Quincy was very famous for his work pre mj. But that work wasnt know on a worldwide mainstream level. It was very much kept in his genre. Mj took him to world wide level because of his work with him.that overshadowed his own work and imo made him bitter and twisted. Hes like john landis in that way. His work with mj overshadowed his own and that annoyed him to put it nicely! I always remember a programe in the uk about heathrow airport.a fly on the wall. Mj was shown in it a few times.other celbs aswell. Quincy was shown in it arriving and the in house pap was asked who he was by staff. No one in the uk knew who he was.as to be expected unless you are a jazz follower or mj fan. The pap said hes the guy who worked on mjs albums. Sums it up.
    Exactly. Funny you mentioned John Landis too, as personally I knew both of them independently from MJ (for film buffs they are unavoidable, plus QJ produced some quite accessible jazz tunes for the general public as well, not just for die-hard jazz fans). But you're right they are famous/recognised mostly in their own fields. However their bitterness is a bit incomprehensible, why weren't they just happy about the bigger exposure? If anything, they profited from their association with MJ, not the other way around. And I'm sure quite a lot of MJ fans bought QJ albums initially because of their fandom but ended up enjoying them - looks like a win-win situation fore me...
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