Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland" [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

[terrell]

That's why I'm here, since I got word of LN and saw it on tv I searched for a place to see the view from the other side but I only recently signed up here. I'm going to be very honest here, after I saw LN I was convinced MJ was guilty but after reading up some stuff here I started to doubt and when I saw the effort some people make (with all the documentaries etc) that doubt turned into positivity ( yes really :-P ) but I'm very anxious to see some positive docs on tv now.
I'm really not interested in social media :-) I once had a Facebook account but I realized I was only using it to lurk on other people's profiles and I hated doing that, so I signed out.

And this is ok; but a least you had the FAIRNESS to come here to want to seek what is true.

[JichaelMackson]

And this is ok; but a least you had the FAIRNESS to come here to want to seek what is true.

Of course, I grew up with MJ, he was my idol as a teenager. I have a very high interest in him as an artist. When I got into my college years I kind of stopped listening to him after I discovered other artists but I've come full circle and I'm very very much into MJ's music again like it was when I was a kid. My interest in his music has only grew stronger the last 2 or 3 years.

[terrell]

Also, when looking at MJ's case, ALWAYS ask yourself, "what does people have to gain by defending him on a serious accusation"? We have NOTHING TO GAIN. Then ask yourself, what does people have to gain by wanting to paint him guilty and twisting facts? $$$$$$$$$$$$. Enuf said

[NatureCriminal7896]

Also, when looking at MJ's case, ALWAYS ask yourself, "what does people have to gain by defending him on a serious accusation"? We have NOTHING TO GAIN. Then ask yourself, what does people have to gain by wanting to paint him guilty and twisting facts? $$$$$$$$$$$$. Enuf said

Exactly. all we gaining here is fight for innocent black man life and making his legacy live on. this what i'm gaining from this. us fans been doing it since 1993 and since Michael was alive.

though we all need to face the fact Michael has haters. he will forever have haters. just like the rest of us.

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[NatureCriminal7896]

And if you check out the comments, they’re all positive. Of course, sooner or later, the haters will find him and spam the comments, but so what? When does anyone ever read the comments section anyway? Let them rot in their own little hell and celebrate the music!

The comment section always been a problem on youtube etc. you can either disabled comments or delete comments. i try not look at the comment section on any social media because half of the time they bad. i think we need to realize that this is the internet. anyone can say and do whatever they want through outside internet i can bet you that somethings people say in the comments they won't say outside the internet.

[somewhereinthedark]

He let children fall asleep after playing in his bedroom with their parents' permission and with the parents usually on site whether at Neverland or elsewhere eg in the kids own homes. He was doing nothing wrong and didn't change his behaviour because he wasn't doing anything wrong. He lived his young life in Gary sharing a bedroom with all his brothers (and probably cousins too from time to time) and he spent his teens - early 20's on tour living in hotel rooms with press, security, friends, approved admirers etc all visiting him in his room. Living in his room was his 'way of life', and it was ALWAYS unlike almost anyone else's.

He saw the accusations as money grabs, much the same as he saw the woman claiming to be Annie, or the woman who claimed she wrote Dangerous. The only way for him to definitively get away from money grabs should have been 'to die', but sadly that didn't make any difference. He was a target whatever he did and however he lived his life.

[somewhereinthedark]

You make so much COMMON SENSE, myostis.

[myosotis]

You make so much COMMON SENSE, myostis.

Thank you, that's very kind!

The only thing that shocked me to my core about MJ, was reading the Jackson 5's tour schedules, and knowing from 'Moonwalker' etc that Michael's performing history had started much earlier than the tours, with the 'Chitlin circuit' and talent shows. He lived most of his life from a young age 'in front of other people', and his space at Neverland was no different. He invited lots of people there, including the local doctor (who wrote a book about his friendship with MJ) and that doctor confirmed that he would chat to MJ (or watch films) in his bedroom, sitting on his bed. It was MJ's normal.

Elizabeth Taylor was the same- she invited guests who were friends to visit her in her bedroom. She also performed from a young age, staying away from home, and continued living in hotels during her marriages eg to Richard Burton.

[NatureCriminal7896]

People don’t spew hate about MJ because of MJ. They’re just hateful people that will jump onto anything that catches their attention and gives them a platform.

They are also always the same people. Report, block, and move on. Don’t comment on the haters, just leave a positive comment on the actual content.

Your right about this. they call trolls.

[Anna]

Can you guys please use the Edit Post and Multi Quote buttons. They're not there for decorative purposes. Cheers.

[NatureCriminal7896]

He always had a fair share of ridicule to his name but it was jokingly, they joked he was a pedophile but it was for fun, it looked like people didn't really take it seriously. But laughing with MJ was made so easy and many many people did.

you're kind of right about that. through those jokes really hurt it Michael and put Michael through a lot.

Don’t listen to these radio stations then. Let them shovel their own grave. Use Spotify or YouTube.

i agree with ya.

[Anna]

I know this but I still get upset that people LIED about abuse. Not agreeing with MJ is one thing, but to use it to LIE on him for $$ which is clearly the case is my issue and there is no justification for doing that to MJ or anyone

It's understandable to be upset that he got screwed over. No one deserves that. My point is just that it all needs to be put into the proper perspective. Michael had personal responsibility, just like every other mentally competent person on the planet. He repeatedly made bad choices and he got very bad results. He was a key player in his own destruction and his family and fans were left with the task of endlessly trying to pick up the pieces. We can feel bad about things like LN, but we should also keep in mind the fact that it wouldn't have happened in the first place if Michael hadn't acted the way he did. He had a pattern of behaviour leading all the way to his death that seems to indicate he thought he could do whatever he wanted, with no regard for the consequences. Well no one is above consequences, no matter how famous they are.

[NatureCriminal7896]

If Michael hadn't been so stubborn and continually put himself in a position where he could be screwed over again and again, we wouldn't be in this situation now, but it is the way it is. Michael didn't deserve to be screwed over of course, but he chose to publicly associate with young boys and let children sleep in his bedroom. The Chandler incident should have been the end of all that; he certainly knew what people thought of his behaviour at that point and how vulnerable he was, but he chose to continue. He made that choice.

I agree with you with this. after the first accident he should of been more caution on what he was doing. Michael was very naive. he should of been more careful who he surround himself with. through the whole thing isn't his fault. people made up stories about him being a pedo for money because they knew it would get them money. it's really sad they did that to him. he's not the only one. they do this a lot with other people as well for money. like Michael always said burn the tabloids.

He let children fall asleep after playing in his bedroom with their parents' permission and with the parents usually on site whether at Neverland or elsewhere eg in the kids own homes. He was doing nothing wrong and didn't change his behaviour because he wasn't doing anything wrong. He lived his young life in Gary sharing a bedroom with all his brothers (and probably cousins too from time to time) and he spent his teens - early 20's on tour living in hotel rooms with press, security, friends, approved admirers etc all visiting him in his room. Living in his room was his 'way of life', and it was ALWAYS unlike almost anyone else's.

He saw the accusations as money grabs, much the same as he saw the woman claiming to be Annie, or the woman who claimed she wrote Dangerous. The only way for him to definitively get away from money grabs should have been 'to die', but sadly that didn't make any difference. He was a target whatever he did and however he lived his life.

Agreed. Michael was a home body. he didn't really like being in public only if he really had to. let's not forget fans etc always mobbing him and following him everywhere he went. he liked it a lot of space.

Michael was always a easy target. poor man. may he r.i.p. i hope he's happy now.

Exactly. My grandmother was like MJ in that way. She let everyone in her room and lay in the bed because they where she liked to stay in most of the day with her tv. She just was not rich so someone can lie on her.

Same. my grandmother was the same way. of course they lied about Michael for that money. there even facts say they did. if Michael wasn't rich and famous half of those people wouldn't have the care about Michael. that's why they use him. i wish it stop. it's getting old and ridiculous and they know it.

I never understood why people made such an issue about the “bedroom”. What about people who live in a single-room apartment? They basically invite everyone into their bedroom. There’s really nothing special about a bedroom, unless someone’s whole thinking goes into a very specific direction.

I agree with this.

[NatureCriminal7896]

He made bad choices and here we are still dealing with the fallout 11 years after his death.

Agreed.

That's not the point I'm trying to make. I hardly listen to the radio, perhaps one hour a day. What I described it what is happening, not listening to it doesn't make it go away. I honestly don't even care about it, I'm just voicing my opinion , that's all I do, it doesn't make or break my day at all.
There's a couple of users here that keep telling me what I should do, it's arrogant. Take a break, stop listening to the radio etc. As if I'm not able to think straight and be rational. I'm perfectly capable myself to decide what to do or don't.

Then why torture yourself?

Look I'm a bit of a recluse. I'm not very social and I don't have that craving for it either. I'm not part of instagram, Facebook, twitter any social media at all. I only get information from the newspapers/radio. So no I'm mostly not aware of anything like the stuff you just mentioned.

No wonder.