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    Default Re: Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland" [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

    LOL in the article below at ''the Estate sowing a bit of doubt by saying that the accusers and families are lying for money''. Erm, no mention that both Robson and Safechuck DEFENDED Michael in court under oath...and Robson's family did too....

    And the Estate has already 'rebutted' the claim that it made a 30 min.rebuttal. That was Liam McEwan.

    'Vanity Fair' Awards Issue 2019:

    The TV Documentaries With the Power to Change Culture
    This year, Surviving R. Kelly, Fyre Fraud, Leaving Neverland, and The Inventor all rendered verdicts in the court of public opinion.

    (Starts with R Kelly) then.......
    Criminals and schemers have long been ripe subjects for documentaries. But the current moment seems particularly primed for a well-constructed true-crime documentary—or four. The frustrating political era, in which indictments and investigations result in few consequences, has dovetailed with the Time’s Up movement and its attention to those abused, and then silenced, by powerful people. There is a proven audience for judicial catharsis, even if that comes in the court of public opinion, so it is no surprise that this year’s swell of true-crime programming yielded record-breaking numbers, Internet firestorms, and measurable impact on the lives of both the victims and the accused.

    The most controversial and consequential may be Dan Reed’s Leaving Neverland. The four-hour film centers on Wade Robson’s and James Safechuck’s claims of childhood sexual abuse by Michael Jackson, laying out a complicated alleged pattern of grooming and abuse in such graphic detail that trauma experts were stationed inside the lobby at the Sundance Film Festival premiere, in January. After Leaving Neverland aired on HBO in March, Jackson’s music was pulled from international radio stations and some sporting events. The Simpsons shelved a 1991 episode featuring the singer’s voice. Louis Vuitton removed its Michael Jackson-inspired clothing from the luxury brand’s fall-winter 2019 collection. A Jackson statue was removed from the National Football Museum in Britain. And in late February, the listing agents for Jackson’s Neverland Ranch estate slashed the asking price on the title property from $100 million to $31 million.

    Reed did not set out to chip away at Jackson’s legacy. “That, for me, is a pointless mission,” the British filmmaker says. “And it doesn’t really do any good for anyone. The way we can do some good and also tell meaningful and significant stories is to go into this labyrinth of child sexual abuse.” The two-part series gives Safechuck, Robson, and their families the space to unspool the complicated web of alleged events that went on between the superstar, Safechuck and Robson, and their parents. Oprah Winfrey hosted a Leaving Neverland special, in which she told Reed that he was able to create the kind of nuanced portrait of child sexual abuse that she could not conjure in 25 seasons of her network show and 217 specials devoted to the opic.

    Shortly after Leaving Neverland premiered, Reed’s production office was flooded with e-mails and letters. The documentary special, Reed says, has “led to people taking another look at relationships they or their children have had with significant adults, in some cases with very disturbing consequences.” Though Reed began work on the documentary before the #MeToo movement rose to national prominence, he’s grateful the documentary debuted in its wake: “It made it easier for us to say our default reaction should be to listen to people who take the difficult step of coming out and talking about their child sexual abuse. Up until now, the response has been to shout at people, try and sue them, or silence them with money or with shame or with the threat of prosecution. And that’s not the way you should do things.

    In Leaving Neverland, Reed says, he had to “correct the narrative that Jackson’s highly paid legal team embedded deeply into the public consciousness. For 20 years at least, you’ve been hearing from Jackson and his supporters and his lawyers that these children are lying and their families are lying and they’re all looking for money. And I think the strategy—from people who have an interest in protecting their income from Jackson and his legacy, etc.—is, if you sow a little bit of doubt, that’s probably enough for people not to believe that he was a pedophile.”

    Leaving Neverland, the third-most-watched documentary in HBO’s history, has had sizable aftershocks for Jackson’s lucrative estate. The late star’s family has launched a multi-pronged defense against Leaving Neverland’s claims—filing a $100 million lawsuit against HBO, doing televised interviews, and even releasing its own 30-minute documentary rebuttal on YouTube. In April, it was reported that Jackson’s children are preparing a lawsuit for fraud, emotional distress, slander, and misrepresentation against their father’s accusers.

    (Continues about the Fyre festival)....

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    Default Re: Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland" [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

    Quote Originally Posted by WannaScream View Post
    Very disappointed in the news about these nominations, for a number of reasons. Does society really think it's appropriate to give pedo-fiction an award?
    They're trying to give it credibility. They want it to win so they can permanently stain Michael's reputation.
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    Default Re: Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland" [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

    Quote Originally Posted by terrell View Post
    I am glad Nefix is showing the show about the Central park 5 who was falsely accused and how the system can mess up with a bias District Attorney. Reminds me of MJ's case in terms of people wanting someone to be guilty so bad but they did not have the money to fight. MJ had the moeny to not let the system lock him up for a lie but then again, MJ would not have been in the position he was in if he did not not have money for someone to lie to try to get something for nothing.
    Watch the Ken Burns doc instead.

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    Default Re: Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland" [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

    Quote Originally Posted by La74 View Post
    Yes, I was thinking because of this (not despite it) Geraldine Hughes is making a movie about Redemption, Taj is making his documentary, John Ziegler has been very helpful, the chief editor of the Hollywood Reporter was going to atleast read KOPVs work a lot of fans have been more active than they have been in years and I have read a number of people who has become fans since they did research because of this and realized all MJ had to go through.
    Who is John Ziegler? I mean we are that desperate!

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    Default Re: Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland" [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

    Quote Originally Posted by myosotis View Post
    LOL in the article below at ''the Estate sowing a bit of doubt by saying that the accusers and families are lying for money''. Erm, no mention that both Robson and Safechuck DEFENDED Michael in court under oath...and Robson's family did too....

    And the Estate has already 'rebutted' the claim that it made a 30 min.rebuttal. That was Liam McEwan.

    'Vanity Fair' Awards Issue 2019:

    The TV Documentaries With the Power to Change Culture
    This year, Surviving R. Kelly, Fyre Fraud, Leaving Neverland, and The Inventor all rendered verdicts in the court of public opinion.

    (Starts with R Kelly) then.......
    Criminals and schemers have long been ripe subjects for documentaries. But the current moment seems particularly primed for a well-constructed true-crime documentary—or four. The frustrating political era, in which indictments and investigations result in few consequences, has dovetailed with the Time’s Up movement and its attention to those abused, and then silenced, by powerful people. There is a proven audience for judicial catharsis, even if that comes in the court of public opinion, so it is no surprise that this year’s swell of true-crime programming yielded record-breaking numbers, Internet firestorms, and measurable impact on the lives of both the victims and the accused.

    The most controversial and consequential may be Dan Reed’s Leaving Neverland. The four-hour film centers on Wade Robson’s and James Safechuck’s claims of childhood sexual abuse by Michael Jackson, laying out a complicated alleged pattern of grooming and abuse in such graphic detail that trauma experts were stationed inside the lobby at the Sundance Film Festival premiere, in January. After Leaving Neverland aired on HBO in March, Jackson’s music was pulled from international radio stations and some sporting events. The Simpsons shelved a 1991 episode featuring the singer’s voice. Louis Vuitton removed its Michael Jackson-inspired clothing from the luxury brand’s fall-winter 2019 collection. A Jackson statue was removed from the National Football Museum in Britain. And in late February, the listing agents for Jackson’s Neverland Ranch estate slashed the asking price on the title property from $100 million to $31 million.

    Reed did not set out to chip away at Jackson’s legacy. “That, for me, is a pointless mission,” the British filmmaker says. “And it doesn’t really do any good for anyone. The way we can do some good and also tell meaningful and significant stories is to go into this labyrinth of child sexual abuse.” The two-part series gives Safechuck, Robson, and their families the space to unspool the complicated web of alleged events that went on between the superstar, Safechuck and Robson, and their parents. Oprah Winfrey hosted a Leaving Neverland special, in which she told Reed that he was able to create the kind of nuanced portrait of child sexual abuse that she could not conjure in 25 seasons of her network show and 217 specials devoted to the opic.

    Shortly after Leaving Neverland premiered, Reed’s production office was flooded with e-mails and letters. The documentary special, Reed says, has “led to people taking another look at relationships they or their children have had with significant adults, in some cases with very disturbing consequences.” Though Reed began work on the documentary before the #MeToo movement rose to national prominence, he’s grateful the documentary debuted in its wake: “It made it easier for us to say our default reaction should be to listen to people who take the difficult step of coming out and talking about their child sexual abuse. Up until now, the response has been to shout at people, try and sue them, or silence them with money or with shame or with the threat of prosecution. And that’s not the way you should do things.

    In Leaving Neverland, Reed says, he had to “correct the narrative that Jackson’s highly paid legal team embedded deeply into the public consciousness. For 20 years at least, you’ve been hearing from Jackson and his supporters and his lawyers that these children are lying and their families are lying and they’re all looking for money. And I think the strategy—from people who have an interest in protecting their income from Jackson and his legacy, etc.—is, if you sow a little bit of doubt, that’s probably enough for people not to believe that he was a pedophile.”

    Leaving Neverland, the third-most-watched documentary in HBO’s history, has had sizable aftershocks for Jackson’s lucrative estate. The late star’s family has launched a multi-pronged defense against Leaving Neverland’s claims—filing a $100 million lawsuit against HBO, doing televised interviews, and even releasing its own 30-minute documentary rebuttal on YouTube. In April, it was reported that Jackson’s children are preparing a lawsuit for fraud, emotional distress, slander, and misrepresentation against their father’s accusers.

    (Continues about the Fyre festival)....

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    Where is Wienstiens' Untouchable? the agenda is soon obvious.

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    Default Re: Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland" [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

    I very much do not believe that Dan Reed believes the BS he says. He has direct intent to mislead.
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    I have read today on Opensecret account that the owner of the Hollywood Reporter is a close friend of David Geffen. That explains why their senior editor is "so busy" to dig further into the allegations against MJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soundmind View Post
    I have read today on Opensecret account that the owner of the Hollywood Reporter is a close friend of David Geffen. That explains why their senior editor is "so busy" to dig further into the allegations against MJ.
    He is aware of it atleast and I think we should think of what is best in the longer perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NatureCriminal7896 View Post
    I swear this world is loosing more and more sense everyday. nobody have common sense anymore.
    No, common sense people are not wasting their time with this trash no more. Media will not talk to people who know this is trash. People are not paying this no attention. Look at the Vanity Fair article (notice no Harvey Weinstein and this doc was considered a FLOP. That is why radio, concerts, etc have move on and still celebrating MJ. The only changing of culture are in this bia's media's head). And Maureen oath was over Vanity Fair. enuf said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amaya View Post
    They're trying to give it credibility. They want it to win so they can permanently stain Michael's reputation.
    Well, it wont work.
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    What a sweet thing for David to say - he's right. He deserves all the defense he gets


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    Default NEW! Michael Jackson LEAVING NEVERLAND-Interview with Shana Mangatal

    Note, I'm not familiar with who she is so if this woman is legit or not - I can't vouch for - so watch it if you'd like to or move it, or delete it if you feel you need to.



    NEW! Michael Jackson LEAVING NEVERLAND-Interview with Shana Mangatal



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