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    Default Re: Asking ourselves tough questions.

    And I agree we should ask ourselves these questions. It wasn't normal. All I will say is I don't know, but he did not commit crimes against those few who challenged him in court. Or made allegations. As for women, who knows.

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    Default Re: Asking ourselves tough questions. [Staff Reminder: Be Respectful!]

    Quote Originally Posted by StageGlitter View Post
    Why cant we talk about it here?
    You have Facebook, Twitter and Instagram and Reddit where you can discuss your doubts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1nn5 View Post
    You have Facebook, Twitter and Instagram and Reddit where you can discuss your doubts.
    The problem with social media is anything you post is public and you get bombarded with messages from people who you don’t wish to engage with.
    Some of us wish to limit our conversations to fans only so this is a good and safe place to do this.

    As you’ve been told many times if you dont want to see conversations of this nature on MJJC then you simply need to stop visiting this thread, rather than trying to stop others from having a rational discussion in the appropriate area of the board and abiding by the forum rules. It’s not difficult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AG5050 View Post
    The problem with social media is anything you post is public and you get bombarded with messages from people who you don’t wish to engage with.
    Some of us wish to limit our conversations to fans only so this is a good and safe place to do this.
    I agree. cause you got MJ haters out there. it's nice to have forum like theses to share your thoughts and discussion without any haters or trolls. though, you really can't run from them because sometimes they can make a account just to troll and hate on people. social media is a crazy place. got to be careful who or what you interact with.



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    Quote Originally Posted by 1nn5 View Post
    He thought his conclusions will enlightens the opinion of the fans about MJ.
    He's one of those who (as always) : "I have been a fan of MJ since 20 years, but now.."
    I hope moderators will not delete his posts, until JC08 get exposed.
    Moderators saved him by deleting his previous posts.
    I feel it doesn't matter how long you been a fan. MJ had and still and still getting fans young and old. but i do understand that fans who was around the 80's or even the mid 60's knows Michael probably more because they was around during his lifetime.



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    Default Re: Asking ourselves tough questions.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1nn5 View Post
    He thought his conclusions will enlightens the opinion of the fans about MJ.
    He's one of those who (as always) : "I have been a fan of MJ since 20 years, but now.."
    I hope moderators will not delete his posts, until JC08 get exposed.
    Moderators saved him by deleting his previous posts.
    Please refrain from second-guessing what moderators will or will not do and what they should or should not do. Moderators on this site operate under the guidance and specific direction of the OWNER. If posts are deleted, it is not to SAVE anyone, but to keep members' posts within the RULES of MJJC and to help threads run as smoothly as possible, without people becoming overly upset and/or offended. Please also refrain from making assumptions and judgments about what kind of fan other members are - that is not helpful or useful to any discussion at all and is completely irrelevant. You do not KNOW anything about anyone else to whom you are speaking, on this site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikky Dee View Post
    Please refrain from second-guessing what moderators will or will not do and what they should or should not do. Moderators on this site operate under the guidance and specific direction of the OWNER. If posts are deleted, it is not to SAVE anyone, but to keep members' posts within the RULES of MJJC and to help threads run as smoothly as possible, without people becoming overly upset and/or offended. Please also refrain from making assumptions and judgments about what kind of fan other members are - that is not helpful or useful to any discussion at all and is completely irrelevant. You do not KNOW anything about anyone else to whom you are speaking, on this site.
    Why you don't ask JC08 if he believe MJ is a pedophile ?
    Why you don't ask JC08 if he believe MJ is a child molester ?
    Why you don't ask JC08 if he believe MJ is weird and a monster ?
    What's the difference between Twitter/ Facebook and MJJC, if I find JC08 (as an example) in MJJC ?
    King of performing. No one will be like MJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anna View Post
    If you see a post that you think crosses the line, please report it and it will be checked by staff.
    So believing and expressing that MJ raped kids in a place dedicated to love and praise MJ as an artist and as a man is not crossing a line ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikky Dee View Post
    Please refrain from second-guessing what moderators will or will not do and what they should or should not do. Moderators on this site operate under the guidance and specific direction of the OWNER. If posts are deleted, it is not to SAVE anyone, but to keep members' posts within the RULES of MJJC and to help threads run as smoothly as possible, without people becoming overly upset and/or offended. Please also refrain from making assumptions and judgments about what kind of fan other members are - that is not helpful or useful to any discussion at all and is completely irrelevant. You do not KNOW anything about anyone else to whom you are speaking, on this site.
    Is the rule for this thread expressing DOUBTS or CONVICTION ? Because that's clearly what JC08 is doing , expressing CONVICTION that MJ raped kids ??.How is promoting Dan Reed articles and thoughts within this frame of DOUBTS and not CONVICTION ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AG5050 View Post
    The problem with social media is anything you post is public and you get bombarded with messages from people who you don’t wish to engage with.
    Some of us wish to limit our conversations to fans only so this is a good and safe place to do this.

    As you’ve been told many times if you dont want to see conversations of this nature on MJJC then you simply need to stop visiting this thread, rather than trying to stop others from having a rational discussion in the appropriate area of the board and abiding by the forum rules. It’s not difficult.
    I am not against the notion that you can be a fan and still believe he was a pedophile but do not want to engage with real haters , but at the same time the same logic can apply with real fans ( as opposed to real haters ) who believe in MJ complete innocence .How can you say to yourself that this forum is a safe place where you can get in connection with people who think like you when actually the vast majority dosnt feel like you and worst are violently hostile to your position ? What connection are you finding ?What sense of community ? There is no connection nor sense of community when in a place of 10 000 members only 20 share the same feelings.
    The subject of pedophilia in the MJfandom is too serious , too sensitive , too heartbreaking , too polarising for you to just relegate it to the "it is just a differing opinion " no it's a MAJOR difference of opinion that prevent any type of real connection not just some random "i prefer this album and you prefer this one " , but they are still MJ albums so you can still connect with the MJ fandom as a authentic fan.

    My conclusion is , since you can't go to places like MJFacts because of all the hatred , social media because you dont want to be public, and - for the same reasons as MJFacts , on places like MJJCommunity because of the worshipping and total belief that he is a 100% innocent , then you guys should create a whole place ( brand new forum or blog ) specifically for people like you who love the artist but not the man . There at least you will be sure to not encounter hostiliy and violence both from MJ haters and MJ worshippers ,that way you can completly connect with each other .

    It's delusional to think that a place dedicated to praise , love and give all due respect to the artist AND the man is fit for people like you .It's deluional to think there will be no hostility and violent comments towards you . I think in a short term period you will naturally feel misfit for this place and rightfully so , because hostility will continue and most likely intensify towards you no matter the moderators efforts to make you feel at ease to express your pedophile feelings for the man we worship over here .
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    Default Re: Asking ourselves tough questions. [Staff Reminder: Be Respectful!]

    Everyone has their own opinion but me and my opinion is that Michael didn't touch no kids. i already gave my comment on this. people really need look at disorders like autism and/or PTSD. because i think that will we make people look at the facts of MJ and his life as a child. i'm not saying Michael had any of these disorders because i'm not a doctor but very possible Michael had something going on with mentally and it's not a bad thing either. but he didn't touch those kids. i feel this thread is kind of trying make people think he did it. i mean, if we will love MJ we should support him and believe him. i mean he was crying and stuff. i don't think he did it. Michael is innocent and always is and was. i really do feel this thread is trying to make people think it he did this.

    true everyone has their own opinions but come on Michael didn't hurt those kids.
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    And true that you can be a fan of the artist and not the man or you can be a fan of the man and not as artist or you can see him as both and be a fan of both. but honestly Michael didn't want people see him as an artist from what i saw. he wanted his fans treat him as normal regular human being. which is why he always wore disguises and kept his self from everyone. don't get me wrong Michael loved his fans but sometimes you just need some space to yourself. then another problem was when people was posting fake news about him and fake news him hurting kids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annie Are You Ok View Post
    Ho boy. I'm off back to the LN thread. This was NOT what I was expecting when I signed up to a MJ forum. Maybe Gaz has had a change of heart himself. Would explain it.



    That's what i am starting to believe , because there is no way an authentic fan with a forum dedicated to praise , love and respect could allow that shit . In this case GAZ should tell us his true feelings so that we fans can take our reponsibility if we still consider this place as a MJforum or not and decide to leave or not for another forum ruled by someone who still completly believe in his innocence . The administrator opinion is what set the general tone and primordial for our choice .
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    Michael Is Innocent And Always Was And Is.



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    People have lives. they just can't sit at a computer all day making sure trolls and haters don't bother at anyone. they lucky enough to come here and check and make sure this place is running smoothly and keep this place going for MJ fans new,young,and old.



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