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    Question MJ's Tenor Voice

    How did MJ keep his high Tenor voice? What other male singer has a high Tenor voice like MJ? I read that Joe injected MJ with some hormones when he was 10 to 18 years old to keep his high Tenor voice? That also cause him to act childlike and hang around other boys. Is that true that MJ's voice is maintained high by hormone injection? Can a natural man's voice be that high Tenor? Either way if it's true or not, MJ is still a great singer and artist. You have to do what you have to do to be the BEST!
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    Default Re: MJ's Tenor Voice

    Of course you can naturally be a high tenor. Tenor isn't even the highest range for adult male singers.


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    Default Re: MJ's Tenor Voice

    The voice that Michael used in public wasn't even his real voice.

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    Default Re: MJ's Tenor Voice

    He had a diverse range but for some reason only used it at the end of his career...Seth Riggs encouraged him to make full use of his range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJJFan105 View Post
    What other male singer has a high Tenor voice like MJ? I read that Joe injected MJ with some hormones when he was 10 to 18 years old to keep his high Tenor voice?
    Peter Cetera!

    MJ told Martin Bashear the nose jobs he got were to make/keep his voice high.

    I would have loved a Michael Jackson / Peter Cetera duet during the Thriller or Bad period, maybe even in the 70s. They would have looked and sounded so awesome together in the 80s, much more than the 70s!

    It never happened.



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    Got To Be There by Michael Jackson (1972) vs. Hold Me 'Til The Morning Comes by Paul Anka and Peter Cetera (1983)

    Listen closely! I think Michael's "Morning" was the inspiration for the Anka/Cetera "Morning"

    Be there in the morning is a line in both songs



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    I strongly believe that Michael’s speaking- and singing-voices were always REAL throughout his career and lifetime, nothing “fake,” “phony” or “him having put on an act/persona” about either one of them, in any way whatsoever. He became well-known to the general public* —— meaning *those outside of the Jackson family’s original home state of Indiana, where the siblings were born and raised before they ever moved to California and became famous —— at the very end of the 1960’s (as he was only about ten or 11 years of age when the brothers first signed their recording contract with the Motown label), and heading towards the Early-1970’s. At the time, his voice was one of the best, if not THE BEST, child Sopranos ever, for a young boy of his age back in those early days of the brothers’ Motown career.

    As Michael grew up into his later-adolescence and adulthood, his voice had changed, only ever-so-slightly, from boy Soprano to the still-“young”-sounding, rather androgynous, extremely High Tenor that most of us would become familiar with our having heard it, by the end of the ’70’s and headed towards the turn of the 1980’s. Ever since those early days, he had become one of THE BEST interpreters of other songwriters’ lyrics and work, from “Who’s Lovin’ You?” —— as far back as 1969-’70, or so, which “SmokeyRobinson originally wrote for his own group, The Miracles, about a decade even before Michael recorded, sung and performed his lead vocals with his brothers, together as The Jackson 5 —— all the way up to 2001 and the release of his “Invincible” solo album; The song, “Butterflies,” was originally written by Marsha Ambrosius for Floetry to record. And yet, Michael’s vocals on his version of it were/are SO BEAUTIFUL, that it’s not even funny.

    For more than 30 years —— his whole entire adult life, in fact —— Michael worked with his vocal coach/voice teacher, Seth Riggs, who had trained him very well in using the “Speech-Level Singing” method, which helped develop his Vocal Range to expand to more than 4 Octaves, which is quite a broad one, especially for a Male vocalist of any age group.

    He didn’t have to depend nor rely upon exclusively using his “Falsetto,” necessarily, though he did use it every once in a while (just not in the way most men do who have much deeper, darker and heavier-timbred voices than what Michael’s naturally light higher-pitched voice-type was, though he could occasionally hit some deep, and almost “Baritone”-sounding, Lower-Register notes in a few songs, when he did his Vocal Range “warm-ups” in 1994 in preparation for recording songs for the “HIStory” album as well, but not very often having sung them), to have sung in the highest notes of his Upper Register —— which remained “Soprano”-like, in my honest opinion, as he never truly “lost” this Upper Register entirely —— even as his Lower one had further expanded slightly downwards, by an extra note or two, within the seven-year period from the earliest beginnings of the “HIStory” era to “Invincible.”
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    Default Re: MJ's Tenor Voice

    He could also hit very low notes. Michael was doing all of his backing vocals himself - 16 track harmonies, recording each harmony set (high to low) separately. I really think MJ had a very wide vocal range.

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    VNN posted a list of singers in order of widest range. Scroll down to 3 octaves, 4 notes; F#2 to C#6. Sammy Hagar is listed with the same range. More detailed info of notes hit in songs is at The Range Place.

    https://www.vintagevinylnews.com/201...ot-singer.html
    http://therangeplace.boards.net/thre...ichael-jackson

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    Quote Originally Posted by WannaScream View Post
    VNN posted a list of singers in order of widest range. Scroll down to 3 octaves, 4 notes; F#2 to C#6. Sammy Hagar is listed with the same range. More detailed info of notes hit in songs is at The Range Place.

    https://www.vintagevinylnews.com/201...ot-singer.html
    http://therangeplace.boards.net/thre...ichael-jackson
    I would much rather go by what Seth Riggs had actually said about Michael’s vocal abilities —— and, what Michael, himself, had once said about his own —— than to go and look up something on an inaccurate, heavily-biased Web site that highly favors and greatly over-exaggerates the so-called, non-existent “abilities” of certain “Rock”/“Pop” singers, these people who don’t so much “sing” lyrics as they do a whole lot of screaming and yelling at the top of their voices; Also, there are some people on these lists who really couldn’t hardly sing a note in the first place, even if their lives depended on their doing so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GGVVGGCC22331122 View Post
    I would much rather go by what Seth Riggs had actually said about Michael’s vocal abilities —— and, what Michael, himself, had once said about his own —— than to go and look up something on an inaccurate, heavily-biased Web site that highly favors and greatly over-exaggerates the so-called, non-existent “abilities” of certain “Rock”/“Pop” singers, these people who don’t so much “sing” lyrics as they do a whole lot of screaming and yelling at the top of their voices; Also, there are some people on these lists who really couldn’t hardly sing a note in the first place, even if their lives depended on their doing so.
    I just posted the links because I thought they were interesting. It's not biased and it doesn't favour anyone (other than they tend to include popular singers that most people know; actually the singer with the widest range is not included for this reason). All the singers on there have been able to produce the note, even if it's only once. If you have examples of notes they will definitely examine and include them. They already said on the thread they didn't go through all bootlegs and asked if anyone had any examples (they can only go by examples, rather than what people say, hence keeping it a fair comparison).

    You sound offended by it but there is not any need to be. This thread seemed to be partly about range (which is only a small aspect of a voice), no one is questioning the beauty of Michaels voice. It clearly states they are only talking about range and that it doesn't take into account other (more subjective) qualities like timbre. The heavy metal vocalists at the top of the list produce terrifying screams (they do hit the notes though and some can sing some of them too) and many would not want to listen to them! Far more people would rather listen to Michael!

    Edit; I should add if it's just the one note it looks like they may put it under questionable. It's just a bit of fun! Some people want to work out which notes are in the songs and see which other singers are in the similar range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anna View Post
    Of course you can naturally be a high tenor. Tenor isn't even the highest range for adult male singers.
    I totally agree with you, Anna. But, you must be thinking of the much more unusual and extremely rare cases of adult men whose voice-types were naturally the way they were, most likely due to a hormonal imbalance or other physical abnormality of some kind —— whether they were born with it, or suffered from a serious bodily injury or disease at an early age (before puberty rather than after, with lifelong side effects), whatever the case —— not most so-called “normal” men with fully-functioning bodies.

    Do men with unusually light high-pitched voices exist, who don’t rely on their using “Falsetto” in singing, and who have NOTHING physically wrong with them in any way that would necessarily affect their voice and vocal cords? Probably, there may be. Are there other men with voice-types similar to, but not exactly like, Michael’s? I’m very sure that there are.

    As with all human beings of either gender, there are just as many wide varieties of different Male voice-types as there are Female; There are as many different ones between individuals of one gender as there are between one gender and the other. People’s voices differ from one another in such aspects as pitch, timbre, Vocal Range, Upper and Lower Registers, and so forth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WannaScream View Post
    I just posted the links because I thought they were interesting. It's not biased and it doesn't favour anyone (other than they tend to include popular singers that most people know; actually the singer with the widest range is not included for this reason). All the singers on there have been able to produce the note, even if it's only once. If you have examples of notes they will definitely examine and include them. They already said on the thread they didn't go through all bootlegs and asked if anyone had any examples (they can only go by examples, rather than what people say, hence keeping it a fair comparison).

    You sound offended by it but there is not any need to be. This thread seemed to be partly about range (which is only a small aspect of a voice), no one is questioning the beauty of Michaels voice. It clearly states they are only talking about range and that it doesn't take into account other (more subjective) qualities like timbre. The heavy metal vocalists at the top of the list produce terrifying screams (they do hit the notes though and some can sing some of them too) and many would not want to listen to them! Far more people would rather listen to Michael!

    Edit; I should add if it's just the one note it looks like they may put it under questionable. It's just a bit of fun! Some people want to work out which notes are in the songs and see which other singers are in the similar range.
    Wanna Scream, I’m not so much “offended.” It’s just that, when it comes to anyone involved with any part, role or aspect, of the so-called “mainstream” media —— however large or small, in whatever form it may take (whether it be in print or online), especially, when Michael’s name is brought up, as well as the names of other equally talented people —— the bias that certain publishers, editors, authors and so-called “journalists” have in favoring certain genres of music over others (as well as certain performers over others) is SO incredibly obvious that the very idea of any member of the public NOT being fully aware that it exists is absolutely ridiculous.

    Who is ultimately responsible for compiling these lists, writing (mostly) favorable articles on “So-and-So” and whomever else,* whomever’s music these editors, publishers and “journalists” just so happen to like —— after all, such lists, magazine articles and books are based mostly on the very heavily subjective personal opinion of a book or magazine article’s author(s), and on that of a particular list’s compiler(s) —— in citing their “favorite” performers’ names to be placed at or near the very top of such a list, or to be favorably written about in a book, magazine article, or an online “blog” post? Who gets to decide, vote on and have his/her/their say-so regarding whose name gets put where? *By the way, I am not naming anyone else in this post, specifically, except for Michael’s name.

    Can someone (an author, for instance, a magazine’s editor and its publisher, a T.V. broadcaster’s program, a “blogger” or poster online), for example, write an article or book, air a T.V. program, “blog” and post online or even make a feature film, that only states the facts regarding whom he or she is writing about, without resorting to malicious tabloid LIES, gossip, and so forth, or be fair to those whose names truly and rightfully deserve to be placed on lists where they are —— either that, or such lists not even being made at all, because, they are based on the opinion of the person or group of people who compiled them, anyway —— or, put up a Web site that’s free from ALL biases and equally fair to as many different genres of music (along with the artists who sing, dance, play instruments and/or perform onstage) as possible?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GGVVGGCC22331122 View Post
    Wanna Scream, I’m not so much “offended.” It’s just that, when it comes to anyone involved with any part, role or aspect, of the so-called “mainstream” media —— however large or small, in whatever form it may take (whether it be in print or online), especially, when Michael’s name is brought up, as well as the names of other equally talented people —— the bias that certain publishers, editors, authors and so-called “journalists” have in favoring certain genres of music over others (as well as certain performers over others) is SO incredibly obvious that the very idea of any member of the public NOT being fully aware that it exists is absolutely ridiculous.

    Who is ultimately responsible for compiling these lists, writing (mostly) favorable articles on “So-and-So” and whomever else,* whomever’s music these editors, publishers and “journalists” just so happen to like —— after all, such lists, magazine articles and books are based mostly on the very heavily subjective personal opinion of a book or magazine article’s author(s), and on that of a particular list’s compiler(s) —— in citing their “favorite” performers’ names to be placed at or near the very top of such a list, or to be favorably written about in a book, magazine article, or an online “blog” post? Who gets to decide, vote on and have his/her/their say-so regarding whose name gets put where? *By the way, I am not naming anyone else in this post, specifically, except for Michael’s name.

    Can someone (an author, for instance, a magazine’s editor and its publisher, a T.V. broadcaster’s program, a “blogger” or poster online), for example, write an article or book, air a T.V. program, “blog” and post online or even make a feature film, that only states the facts regarding whom he or she is writing about, without resorting to malicious tabloid LIES, gossip, and so forth, or be fair to those whose names truly and rightfully deserve to be placed on lists where they are —— either that, or such lists not even being made at all, because, they are based on the opinion of the person or group of people who compiled them, anyway —— or, put up a Web site that’s free from ALL biases and equally fair to as many different genres of music (along with the artists who sing, dance, play instruments and/or perform onstage) as possible?
    I'm not even convinced you've clicked on the links. Firstly, the list contains no reviews at all, just vocal range placements. Secondly, The Range Place people are musicians, not journalists. If you'd looked at it you will have seen they wrote really positively about MJ's talent. If you think his vocal coach reporting on his talent is less biased, then that is not any less ridiculous.

    I can't believe two fans, who think MJ is really talented, are getting into a debate over a site that claims MJ is really talented. That being said, I'm going to bow out of this discussion with you now!
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    Default Re: MJ's Tenor Voice

    Actually, Wanna Scream, I did look up both Web sites, even had joined one of them, just to find out what it was, out of curiosity.

    I now understand what you were trying to say, but O.T.O.H., get SO doggone fed up, sick and tired of the way that almost his entire adult career as a vocalist has been underrated, overlooked, put aside and everything but completely ignored altogether, to mainly comment on his dancing skills and showmanship as an entertainer —— except for the “Thriller”/“Victory”-era phenomenon of the Early- to Mid-1980’s and its aftermath, when Michael had his biggest musical-career success ever —— (as such pinpointing and focusing on his personal private life, on any- and everything else but music [which is really, really sad], wouldn’t happen until the later years, particularly, from the Early-’90’s onwards) that you will understand how I feel as well, when it comes to the media and anything even remotely having to do with them in the slightest degree at all.

    And, as for these lists, they either may or may not be trusted and accurate, depending on whomever compiled them. There is nothing for me to really disagree with you about, necessarily, for each of us to keep expressing our points of view, here.
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