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    Default Re: Making Michael Jackson's Thriller VHS/DVD

    Quote Originally Posted by Joce View Post
    Maybe because they have no chance to watch the videos in any other quality than the crappy VHS masters that we have since 35 years old ?

    You gave me some view counts from videos uploaded a decade ago for some of them. I think you should question that differently, as your conclusion is not objective.

    Today in 2019, would people still watch the VHS masters instead of a new HD master ? Certainly not as we live in the HD era since now a decade.

    The counter and popularity would explode if the Estate would re-upload his short films in new HD/4K masters, believe me.
    If the general public was interested in video quality, then DVDs wouldn't have continued to outsell Blu Ray. Most people would have stopped buying them like they did with 8-tracks did when the popularity of cassettes blew up. If young people are as interested in quality as you say, why have they been listening to MP3s all this time? There's better audio quality versions out there. There's a choice with music. Also why do they download lower quality pirated movies or buy the DVDs off the street? Why don't they wait until the official DVDs/Blu Rays come out to buy them? Because the pirated movies are free, they don't have to pay for it. If people are interested in video quality, how is it that 4K discs have way lower sales than any other type of disc including regular Blu Rays? Many TV channels are not HD, especially on regular free TV in the USA, and on cable/satellite HD channels are an extra charge. A lot of people can't afford to pay the extra fees.

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    Default Re: Making Michael Jackson's Thriller VHS/DVD

    Quote Originally Posted by DuranDuran View Post
    If the general public was interested in video quality, then DVDs wouldn't have continued to outsell Blu Ray. Most people would have stopped buying them like they did with 8-tracks did when the popularity of cassettes blew up. If young people are as interested in quality as you say, why have they been listening to MP3s all this time? There's better audio quality versions out there. There's a choice with music. Also why do they download lower quality pirated movies or buy the DVDs off the street? Why don't they wait until the official DVDs/Blu Rays come out to buy them? Because the pirated movies are free, they don't have to pay for it. If people are interested in video quality, how is it that 4K discs have way lower sales than any other type of disc including regular Blu Rays?.
    Physical support sales (DVD/BD) declined over the years because of the streaming platforms and illegal downloads, not because users didn't care about audio/video quality.

    Most of people want cheap content and easy to watch everywhere (Netflix, HBO). By the way most of their content on their platforms are in HD and even 4K.

    UHD BD is a niche market and way more expensive than DVD/BD/Streaming if you didn't notice yet (as Laserdisc was in the 80's). It's like asking why Porsche sell less in the world than a regular car company. People buy what they can afford, that's all.



    Quote Originally Posted by DuranDuran View Post
    [COLOR=#000080][COLOR=#000080] Many TV channels are not HD, especially on regular free TV in the USA, and on cable/satellite HD channels are an extra charge. A lot of people can't afford to pay the extra fees.
    I don't know where you live exactly but most of free channels are in HD since a decade in Europe.
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    Default Re: Making Michael Jackson's Thriller VHS/DVD

    Quote Originally Posted by Joce View Post
    Physical support sales (DVD/BD) declined over the years because of the streaming platforms and illegal downloads, not because users didn't care about audio/video quality.
    That has nothing to do with DVDs selling more than Blu ray. We have Redbox in front of stores and people rent DVDs & video games from them. Public libraries only have DVDs to check out. I haven't seen a local one that has Blu Rays. People who sell the bootleg movies have them on DVD. Like I mentioned, a lot of stuff is only released on DVD and not Blu Ray, because the sales are not there. Like some Eddie Murphy movies are only on DVD. If you go to Walmart, they have a bin with a lot of DVDs for $5. Walmart is popular all over the USA. Walmart also sells DVD players for about $25, which is cheaper than the Blu Ray players. Walmart & Best Buy were still selling new VCRs until around 2017. You think the people buying VCRs cared about HD?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joce View Post
    I don't know where you live exactly but most of free channels are in HD since a decade in Europe.
    I live in the USA. There's many free channels that are not HD. There's at least 60 free local channels, the ones that broadcast in HD are mostly the major networks like ABC, NBC, CBS, etc. Even with those, not every show is HD. But there's Spanish, African, Vietnamese and other ethnic channels that are not HD and some have poor video & audio quality. Some have a cropped or stretched picture to fit a widescreen TV. There's also local channels that show reruns of old TV shows from the 1950s-1980s and a lot of the programs were filmed on videotape especially the sitcoms. So it would not make much sense for it to be HD. There also still a lot of people with tube TVs which has to have a converter box to get reception. You can buy the boxes at Best Buy and other electronic stores.

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    Default Re: Making Michael Jackson's Thriller VHS/DVD

    Quote Originally Posted by DuranDuran View Post
    Like I mentioned, a lot of stuff is only released on DVD and not Blu Ray, because the sales are not there.

    If Blu-ray sales are not there, why did they launch a new physical support in 2016 (Ultra HD Blu-ray) ?
    Even UHD Blu-ray discs sales are doing well: Scarface, The Wizard of Oz, Gremlins Casino, Apocalypse Now, The Shining, Batman quadrilogy, Rambo... will be released in 4K disc fall of 2019.

    In August 2019 in US, 4K Ultra HD Blu-Ray discs sales reached 20% of the physical media market. It's huge for a niche physical support. I remember when some folks claimed it was already a dead format when it arrived in 2016.

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    There are thousands of titles released in Blu-ray since it's debut in 2006. Most of movies stuck in DVD are the ones shot on videotape or never released in BD for rights reasons. I have around 300 BD in my library, only 3 movies that I want were never released in Blu-ray, it's a tiny part.

    Quote Originally Posted by DuranDuran View Post
    That's the reason many things are not released on Blu Ray, not enough sales to justify the expense of restoring movies/TV that are not going to sell enough to make a profit.

    Most of movies you talk about are old B-Movie who did flop at their theatrical releases. Studios won't spend money to restore a movie shot on film that didn't work.

    Quote Originally Posted by DuranDuran View Post
    Blu Ray is not necessarily better picture quality.


    Wrong. Blu Ray disc has 6X the resolution of a DVD, and uses lossless codec audio. It destroys DVD in every ways. Of course you won't notice anything with a CRT and cheap speakers.

    This is a typical upgrade in term of picture quality between a DVD/Blu-ray:

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    Quote Originally Posted by DuranDuran View Post
    Walmart & Best Buy were still selling new VCRs until around 2017. You think the people buying VCRs cared about HD?

    People who bought a VCR in 2005-2012 are a small minority. Just because they producted VCR until 2012 doesn't mean they had a lot of demands until this date. VCR sales declined fastly since early 2000's when DVD came out.

    The main question was: Why would they spend money to restore a film if the process is "expensive" ?

    1) HD/4K is the present and future. TV's at home get bigger and bigger. Any source in SD will be hardly watchable.

    2) The process of restoration is much cheaper than it was years ago. Most of these companies use 4K scanners instead of 2K, as I said this is now the standard resolution for any restoration.

    3) The Estate job is to preserve the legacy of Michael Jackson for the future, not only the present. Restoring now will preserve his videography for the very long term.
    What kind of Estate would refuse to restore the monuments of it's artist under the pretext of it's cost ? It doesn't make sense as there are many ways to make benefits.

    They could sell these new HD/4K digital masters to cinemas around the world (as they did with Thriller 3D), to TV channels and bring a regain of popularity with streaming platforms (Youtube, Netflix..) especially to the new generations. I'm sure a release of Michael Jackson Boxset collection in DVD/Blu-ray (with new HD masters) would be a success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DuranDuran View Post
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    Oh wow. were they sell these guys?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Joce View Post
    If Blu-ray sales are not there, why did they launch a new physical support in 2016 (Ultra HD Blu-ray)?
    There's turntables, speakers, & CD players that cost over $30,000. I would imagine few people buy them, the same for cars like Bentleys or Rolex watches. I guess rich people buy them. That doesn't mean that the general public is interested in them. The stuff that sells on Blu Ray are mostly modern movies and older movies that were mainstream popular like The Wizard Of Oz. Also what about the DVD/Blu Ray combo packs?


    Quote Originally Posted by Joce View Post
    There are thousands of titles released in Blu-ray since it's debut in 2006. Most of movies stuck in DVD are the ones shot on videotape or never released in BD for rights reasons. I have around 300 BD in my library, only 3 movies that I want were never released in Blu-ray, it's a tiny part.
    I'm gonna guess that these are movies with majority white casts. If that's the case, then sure they're more likely to be on Blu Ray.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joce View Post
    Most of movies you talk about are old B-Movie who did flop at their theatrical releases. Any source in SD will be hardly watchable.
    Eddie Murphy was one of the biggest movie stars of the 1980s & 1990s. Anyway, what does a movie flopping got to do with something being put on Blu Ray? If the general audience cares about buying HD, then any movie will sell on it. It's like VHS was more popular than Betamax with the general public and Betamax was said to have better picture quality. Most people can't afford to buy expensive TVs. They buy cheaper ones, so a Blu Ray won't make much of a difference. A lot of people (in the USA at least) generally keep something as long as it works. So if their DVD player works, they're less likely gonna buy another player until it breaks. Then they might get it fixed.

    Apparently you think everybody is rich and have money to spend on fancy stuff or live in a big mansion that can fit a huge TV. Cost is one of the reasons DVDs have remained popular. Your Blu Ray quality comments sounds like first world problems to me. It's not that serious to a lot of people.
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    Default Re: Making Michael Jackson's Thriller VHS/DVD

    Quote Originally Posted by DuranDuran View Post
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    I said it before... but I think Thriller is most authentically to be watched on an original home VHS on a tube TV. It's an 80s zombie horror flick!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DuranDuran View Post
    There's turntables, speakers, & CD players that cost over $30,000. I would imagine few people buy them, the same for cars like Bentleys or Rolex watches. I guess rich people buy them. That doesn't mean that the general public is interested in them. The stuff that sells on Blu Ray are mostly modern movies and older movies that were mainstream popular like The Wizard Of Oz. Also what about the DVD/Blu Ray combo packs?


    General public isn't interested in UHD BD, but there is still a high demand, the sales are better than expected considering it's a niche market. I guess it will increases even more over the years as big titles are coming soon. Personally i don't have any opinion about combo packs. I just know that disc publishers do that for money reasons (it costs less to make a combo than releasing two different packaging).

    Quote Originally Posted by DuranDuran View Post
    I'm gonna guess that these are movies with majority white casts. If that's the case, then sure they're more likely to be on Blu Ray.


    What does skin color do in a DVD/BD sales discussion ?
    Quote Originally Posted by DuranDuran View Post
    Eddie Murphy was one of the biggest movie stars of the 1980s & 1990s.


    What's the problem with Eddie Murphy ? A lot of his movies are available in the format.

    https://www.blu-ray.com/Eddie-Murphy/66271/#Bluray

    Quote Originally Posted by DuranDuran View Post
    Anyway, what does a movie flopping got to do with something being put on Blu Ray? If the general audience cares about buying HD, then any movie will sell on it.


    As I said, there is less benefits for a studio to restore and release an old movie that no one went to see at the theater back in the days.

    Quote Originally Posted by DuranDuran View Post
    Apparently you think everybody is rich and have money to spend on fancy stuff or live in a big mansion that can fit a huge TV. Cost is one of the reasons DVDs have remained popular. Your Blu Ray quality comments sounds like first world problems to me. It's not that serious to a lot of people.
    If watching having a HD/4K panel means being rich, then thousands of millions of people are rich. I don't take my library for a generality.

    In 2019 you can buy a HD/4K 55 inch TV for less than 500$, a physical BD for 10$ on Amazon and rent a movie in HD for less than 4$. It is affordable for almost everyone. The price isn't an excuse anymore.

    https://www.amazon.com/Lawrence-Arab.../dp/B0088OINTU

    https://www.amazon.com/Avengers-Infi...t-video&sr=1-1

    Anyway we will never ends this endless conversation so i just hope the Estate are restoring MJ short films one by one and release them in a near future.

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    DVD is only good if it's sourced from SD video. I would buy a Triumph Tour concert in DVD sourced from the analog master tape. I would never buy a DVD sourced from film, because quality will be ruined. For film, Blu ray always wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hulkamaniac View Post
    DVD is only good if it's sourced from SD video. I would buy a Triumph Tour concert in DVD sourced from the analog master tape. I would never buy a DVD sourced from film, because quality will be ruined. For film, Blu ray always wins.
    The film grain will be impercetible on DVD because it's resolution is too low. It's still better than a DVD sourced from a videotape though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DuranDuran View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hulkamaniac View Post
    DVD is only good if it's sourced from SD video. I would buy a Triumph Tour concert in DVD sourced from the analog master tape. I would never buy a DVD sourced from film, because quality will be ruined. For film, Blu ray always wins.
    A triumph tour on dvd yes please!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DuranDuran View Post
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    I am shocked this even exists lol. VHS is long dead in my area.

    No question that HD is the standard in 2019. Bluray should be the goal but DVD isnt the worst thing. As someone pointed out the legal copyright restrictions have prevented a proper HD remaster from the 16mm masters which is sad. Hopefully its been digitized.
    Makes me think this is the same reason Jacksons concert material hasnt been released. Hopefully we see both get some kind of release one day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robbsaber01 View Post
    I am shocked this even exists lol. VHS is long dead in my area.
    VCR & DVD combo players were more common than one with a Blu Ray. I think there were only 2 models of the VCR/Blu Ray player. There were also just plain VCRs, but a lot of the recent VCR only ones were cheaply made and stopped working rather fast. Like I mentioned earlier in the thread, videotapes still sell at thrift stores & Ebay. A lot of things on VHS have never came out on DVD or Blu Ray and people have home movies on videotape. There's places that convert them to a DVD, but it's costly to do that and they don't generally do copyrighted tapes. There was also video discs in the 1980s which also have movies that were not later re-released on DVD.

    A lot of people are not aware that music cassettes are still being made and some record stores in the USA have a Record Store Day or a Cassette Store Day. The new Madonna & Taylor Swift albums are on cassette. Even 8 track tapes are being manufactured. But mostly indie bands release 8 tracks.



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