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    Quote Originally Posted by Electro View Post
    The classical music piece in the intro of the song HIStory was replaced by another because of copyright issues. Though i remember vaguely that this happend several years later. (?)

    I was vaguely aware of this but now I'm curious to know what the original intro was. Does anyone have a link to the original classical music piece?

    P.S. Wow, ok so I just went back and listened to the song on my album and realized that it wasn't "The Great Gates of Kieve" ..mindblown. They sound so similar that I had to go back and forth a few times to pick out where exactly the changes occurred. Not sure which version I prefer to be honest as I've always heard the original version in concert but I'm used to hearing the later version when listening to the album. But somehow my mind never differentiated even though they're recognizably different. Fascinating..
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    The original ‘The Great Gate of Kiev’ classical piece of music (from Mussorgsky’s ‘Pictures at an Exhibition’), played at the beginning of the ‘HIStory’ song, is included on early copies of the ‘HIStory’ album.

    But, it was replaced in subsequent copies of the ‘HIStory’ album by an improvised-style orchestra piece (based on the original, of course).

    Michael Jackson decided to keep the original intro of the ‘HIStory’ song while he was performing that song during the HIStory Tour.

    The comparison between those two intros of the ‘HIStory’ song:



    Also, the unedited version of ‘They Don't Care About Us’ was being played while Michael Jackson was shooting that music video in Rio de Janeiro.

    This was confirmed by some of the children, security and crew staff who were present at that shooting.

    The fact that Michael Jackson was rehearsing and shooting that music video with the unedited version of the song (that was blasting out of the huge speakers) fueled even more at that time the controversy surrounding those lyrics.

    Michael Jackson never gave an explanation why he rehearsed and shot the music video while the unedited version of the song was being played.

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    Thanks for posting that apology sticker! Never seen that before!

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    Michael should have never apologized or censore the song. Some people need to learn how to stop being offended about the most smallest things. In my opinion, how should have been attacking the media for what kind of hypocrites they are. Michael was taking shots with everyone with this album, so he could have dissed them once again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doggone View Post
    Some people need to learn how to stop being offended about the most smallest things.
    The "some people" were Jewish groups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mj_frenzy View Post
    But, it was replaced in subsequent copies of the ‘HIStory’ album by an improvised-style orchestra piece (based on the original, of course).
    What's the source for that info? (That it's original music made for this song, not another sample.)



    Quote Originally Posted by mj_frenzy View Post
    Michael Jackson decided to keep the original intro of the ‘HIStory’ song while he was performing that song during the HIStory Tour.
    First time I heard the new version, was when the silver CDs came out (instead of gold), which, as far as I remember, was at some point after the tour ended.

    He used a bit of the Mussorgsky piece also in the MSG 2001 show.

    But just playing it on shows falls under performance rights, which usually does not require permission, just fees. (Hence artists can't do anything against Trump playing their songs at his idiotic rallies.) (In contrary to mechanical rights for releasing things on CD etc).



    Quote Originally Posted by mj_frenzy View Post
    Michael Jackson never gave an explanation why he rehearsed and shot the music video while the unedited version of the song was being played.
    I wish we had more precise dates when which edits were put out.

    It's still possible that the final sound-effects-edit was not made before the TDCAU single was released and that the only "fix" prior to that was the disclaimer sticker.

    It would explain why the first wave of TDCAU single releases had that poorly done copy&paste censor edit (that I described earlier). (The second wave of TDCAU releases with more remixes had the sound-effects edit on the original.)

    Meaning that at the time of the video shoot, Michael or who ever was responsible for the audio at the shoot possibly just had no censored version available and probably didn't think it would matter in that context anyway. Just thinking...
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    I feel it was right for him to edit it out. was it the k word? yeah. he had a right because that was offending i think people who are jewish? yeah. Michael did the right thing. i think the original shouldn't be erase though. it was a part of history no pun indeed. Michael said he was sorry and that he loves his jewish friends and fans. we all make mistakes but i don't think he mean it that way. you know when it's Michael they always gonna make a big fuss about it.
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    Not to derail the thread but has anyone heard the 89/90 demo of this song?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NatureCriminal7896 View Post
    It was a part of history no pun indeed.



    Quote Originally Posted by Themidwestcowboy View Post
    Not to derail the thread but has anyone heard the 89/90 demo of this song?
    There's a demo as far back as '89/90?! Wow..I wonder if anyone's had the chance to listen to it as well..

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    Wow. that means Michael been writing this song for years. which not really a surprise because he did the samething to smooth criminal and liberian girl. those two songs was suppose to came out earlier but came out later because he change his mind on how he wanted both short films to be like. i believe all Michael songs he did in the early 80's came out in the late 80's-early 90's and all his songs from the early 90's came out in late 90's-early 2000's. i could be wrong but i thinking i'm right. that would make all his songs from early 90's really 80's songs. samething goes for the thriller album. the late ending disco era. that would make billie jean actually suppose to came out the late 70's. wow.



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