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    Ok I completed the Randall Sullivan book. It is basically a compilation of every tabloid article on Michael along with some facts thrown in. This guy seems to have had multiple inside sources (Marc Schaffel, Dieter, Tohme, Katherine Jackson's lawyers) and still somehow manages to present a uniform tabloidish version of facts, many of which are easily disprovable if he'd done some research or been fair (eg: Michael being booed at 2006 WMAs). The only new things that I learned from the book (with a bucket of salt) were to do with the happenings in Hayvenhurst and Michael's children post his passing. The author squeezes in the entire 80s in 2 chapters. Rest of the book is about the allegations, trial, Michael's insane spending habits and a good % of the book is devoted to happenings after 2009.

    The Jackson family comes across badly (I'd forgotten how venal they were), including Katherine - who is enabler in chief. Made me real sad to read about what PPB have had to go through. More than anything, I'm deeply, deeply sad that the people enjoying the fruits of Michael's lifelong hard work are Branca and McClain and assorted law firms and lawyers. Both seem to be making a killing. How sad that Michael never got to enjoy a retirement, watch his kids grow up, spend his hard earned money how he wanted, doing things he wanted. Sigh.

    The author does a good job painting Tohme very differently and in way better light than I think of him. The power of the written word means that I feel like re-evaluating my opinion on Tohme even while being fully conscious of the manipulation and my low opinion of the author. Imagine reading nothing but the worst filth about yourself for 3 decades and still being able to be one of the most loved people on the planet! Michael's talent, charisma and staying power is truly legendary. No one else could've withstood even 10% of it. Though, let me not say this cos who knows where LN, LN2 and other bullshit will take us. If you can't yet tell, yeah, the book got me down.

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    I have the same thoughts about the Sullivan book. I'm still reading it and it makes me feel depressed. As you said the author squeezes Michael's years of glory as if he wants the readers to foget he was/is the greatest superstar and his life was only about scandals.
    I admit that I bought the book because Mesereau was involved but even his quotes make me feel really really sad, like the one how by the end of the trial Michael lost desire to live. I had to stop reading the book for a few days after that.
    And one more thing. Do you remember how Frank Cascio was offended in his book because Michael said that Frank refused to testify in 2005? According to Sullivan Meserau says that none of the Cascios wanted to testify for Michael.
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    Default Book: L’histoire d’history

    “The Story of HIStory” is now available in French on pre-order.

    For the first time, Sixteen11 Media Group Ltd has released a book in a different language and the French fans are the first to get it!

    The book is a tell-all about Michael Jackson’s HIStory Album, from the creation of the album cover to the last short film! A must to have for all the fans!

    http://sixteen11.com/product/lhistoire-dhistory/



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    Quote Originally Posted by virginia_woolf View Post
    I have the same thoughts about the Sullivan book. I'm still reading it and it makes me feel depressed. As you said the author squeezes Michael's years of glory as if he wants the readers to foget he was/is the greatest superstar and his life was only about scandals.
    I admit that I bought the book because Mesereau was involved but even his quotes make me feel really really sad, like the one how by the end of the trial Michael lost desire to live. I had to stop reading the book for a few days after that.
    And one more thing. Do you remember how Frank Cascio was offended in his book because Michael said that Frank refused to testify in 2005? According to Sullivan Meserau says that none of the Cascios wanted to testify for Michael.
    The Cascio thing - I did skip a lot of the allegations material in the book (except the trial) but I thought he said they refused to let the younger ones testify and some other reason was given for Frank because he was charged as a co-conspirator. I must say I liked reading about the trial in the book. Maybe because Mez is the source, it is mostly factual. Esp the part where Debbie makes an entry. I think the trial would make a fantastic movie - underdog winning against all odds - in real life it did destroy him.

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    Pick up a good book and burn the trash.
    You know it's not because the book is trashy you get depressed. It is Michael's life itself in his last years. Going from hotel to hotel with not enough cash in hand. It's all utterly ridiculous and heartbreaking. Especially when the executors pay themselves 10 mil each the next year. It takes a few days to get over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjfan05 View Post
    Ok I completed the Randall Sullivan book. It is basically a compilation of every tabloid article on Michael along with some facts thrown in. This guy seems to have had multiple inside sources (Marc Schaffel, Dieter, Tohme, Katherine Jackson's lawyers) and still somehow manages to present a uniform tabloidish version of facts, many of which are easily disprovable if he'd done some research or been fair (eg: Michael being booed at 2006 WMAs). The only new things that I learned from the book (with a bucket of salt) were to do with the happenings in Hayvenhurst and Michael's children post his passing. The author squeezes in the entire 80s in 2 chapters. Rest of the book is about the allegations, trial, Michael's insane spending habits and a good % of the book is devoted to happenings after 2009.

    The Jackson family comes across badly (I'd forgotten how venal they were), including Katherine - who is enabler in chief. Made me real sad to read about what PPB have had to go through. More than anything, I'm deeply, deeply sad that the people enjoying the fruits of Michael's lifelong hard work are Branca and McClain and assorted law firms and lawyers. Both seem to be making a killing. How sad that Michael never got to enjoy a retirement, watch his kids grow up, spend his hard earned money how he wanted, doing things he wanted. Sigh.

    The author does a good job painting Tohme very differently and in way better light than I think of him. The power of the written word means that I feel like re-evaluating my opinion on Tohme even while being fully conscious of the manipulation and my low opinion of the author. Imagine reading nothing but the worst filth about yourself for 3 decades and still being able to be one of the most loved people on the planet! Michael's talent, charisma and staying power is truly legendary. No one else could've withstood even 10% of it. Though, let me not say this cos who knows where LN, LN2 and other bullshit will take us. If you can't yet tell, yeah, the book got me down.
    Thank you so much for your review of this book. I never intended to buy it or read it, however your opinion of it has served to reinforce my decision further.

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    “Voice Upon a Time” by Isabelle Petitjean

    I think this has been published in French before, but now it’s also available in English. Has anyone here read it yet?



    http://www.editions-delatour.com/en/...752104069.html
    I wasn't aware of this book being on the market, but it certainly looks as though it might be interesting, because it's about Michael's VOICE, yes?

    If anyone has read it, please let us know what you think!

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    You know it's not because the book is trashy you get depressed. It is Michael's life itself in his last years.
    That’s very true. The part I struggle with is, why trust the version of events in a book that’s in large parts built on tabloid stories?

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    I wasn't aware of this book being on the market, but it certainly looks as though it might be interesting, because it's about Michael's VOICE, yes?
    That’s how I understand it, and I hope that’s what it is. A topic that (surprisingly) hasn’t been fully explored yet.
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    That’s very true. The part I struggle with is, why trust the version of events in a book that’s in large parts built on tabloid stories?
    Because I've read the bodyguards book and certain things get corroborated.


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    Thank you so much for your review of this book. I never intended to buy it or read it, however your opinion of it has served to reinforce my decision further.
    Definitely do not buy it, but read if you want to know about post 2009 events.

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    I just ordered Isabelle Petitjean’s book. I’ll let you know what it’s like when it’s here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mjfan05 View Post
    The Cascio thing - I did skip a lot of the allegations material in the book (except the trial) but I thought he said they refused to let the younger ones testify and some other reason was given for Frank because he was charged as a co-conspirator. I must say I liked reading about the trial in the book. Maybe because Mez is the source, it is mostly factual. Esp the part where Debbie makes an entry. I think the trial would make a fantastic movie - underdog winning against all odds - in real life it did destroy him.
    I skip a lot of it too, can't stand some parts and I'm not reading the original but translated to my native language. So maybe the Cascio thing is somehow changed in the translation, I would have to compare it to the original text but I don't care that much.

    And you're right that even when we know that Sullivan book is combination of every tabloid story we also know that Michael's life after 2005 wasn't a fairy tale. Therefore even when you take "pro-Michael" book it's hard to read if you care about him, Defending a King made me feel this way.
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