HIStory 25 [MERGED]

[wonderouzmj]

I knew the estate would never do anything for h25....damm shame!

[NatureCriminal7896]

I have nothing against unofficial merch. the unofficial merch made by fans are much better than the official merch in my opinion. the problem is Michael was known for having high quality things. that's what disappoint fans. the people who runs the estate not doing how michael would do it. i understand he not alive but in my opinion and many fans they can do better.

i'm not anti-estate or pro-estate.

[NatureCriminal7896]

I'm a causal Prince fan i like some of his music but michael is atop of him. michael been gone for 11 years and he is the most high paid celeb of 2020 with $48m just like last year while Prince is down to $10m and he been gone 5/4 years now.

that's pretty good for someone who been gone for 11 years.

[NatureCriminal7896]

[AlwaysThere]

I'm a causal Prince fan i like some of his music but michael is atop of him. michael been gone for 11 years and he is the most high paid celeb of 2020 with $48m just like last year while Prince is down to $10m and he been gone 5/4 years now.

that's pretty good for someone who been gone for 11 years.

Michael's Estate has done an incredible job financially. It's sort of mind boggling to consider that they earned nearly five times as much as Prince's Estate in 2020, even though (a) Michael has been gone for twice as long; and (b) Prince's Estate has been releasing new projects on a regular basis, whereas Michael's has been more or less dead silent since 2016-17.

Your perspective of the Estate is the best one in my opinion -- neutral. They're incredibly flawed, but I still insist that some of the criticism they get is unwarranted. I'm very interested to see what the 2020s brings.

[NatureCriminal7896]

Michael's Estate has done an incredible job financially. It's sort of mind boggling to consider that they earned nearly five times as much as Prince's Estate in 2020, even though (a) Michael has been gone for twice as long; and (b) Prince's Estate has been releasing new projects on a regular basis, whereas Michael's has been more or less dead silent since 2016-17.

Your perspective of the Estate is the best one in my opinion -- neutral. They're incredibly flawed, but I still insist that some of the criticism they get is unwarranted. I'm very interested to see what the 2020s brings.

thanks.

[lubyss]

Another problem is that the official t-shirts, hoodies, tank tops, caps and so forth are quite expensive. Fans can buy MJ knock-offs from a plethora of different web-sites, for a third of the price.

True, not mentioning it lacks any design idea... Just a coverphoto printed on the t hirt... This can be done by any company, which provide printing on t-shirts and for a third of the price...

No design, no news, nothing... Nothing creative and special what would make me to spent money on the merch...

[NatureCriminal7896]

True, not mentioning it lacks any design idea... Just a coverphoto printed on the t hirt... This can be done by any company, which provide printing on t-shirts and for a third of the price...

No design, no news, nothing... Nothing creative and special what would make me to spent money on the merch...

agree.

[NatureCriminal7896]

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[Snek]

Someone please correct me if I’m wrong, but I think Scream was only just recently marked as being explicit on Spotify. Probably due to the hard swear before the break in the song. I know this doesn’t exactly celebrate HIStory 25 but it is interesting, could mean the album has been re-certified?

[RIKMJ]

25 years ago wow, i remember going to the shops in town and asking for this cd as id read about it coming out soon in the paper, and the people in the music shop had no idea what i was on about....hehe

[NatureCriminal7896]

the swearing in scream wasn't that bad. he only said the f word and the d word. i think the f word made it sound bad than it wasn't.

[Piek]

Someone please correct me if I’m wrong, but I think Scream was only just recently marked as being explicit on Spotify. Probably due to the hard swear before the break in the song. I know this doesn’t exactly celebrate HIStory 25 but it is interesting, could mean the album has been re-certified?

Well, it makes sense... we live in a time where anyone is offended by anything... where people are so incredibly HURT because someone else uses a WORD...

We live in a time where the BBC almost deleted a Fawlty Towers episode because of a joke about a black doctor... not understanding a joke doesn't mean one agrees with the stereotype, but rather opposes it by making fun of it.

It's the same people who were so incredibly HURT by the 'anti-semitic' words in They Don't Care About Us, not understanding the song is actually opposing discrimination.

So yeah, now Scream is probably judged by the Words Police. But those Word Cops don't look at the meaning of things. I once read that a crocodile will grab anything that moves in front of him, as long as it is within a half meter. So you could move a plastic bucket there, and he will bite. That's how simple his ancient brain works. The Words Police operates just the same. They hear a word, and they don't think about meaning or context. They simply label it 'bad'. Michael is expressing anger and frustration in Scream. The words he uses, are showing he can't cope with certain things. These words show how serious this feeling is, especially since Michael never used these words. So it means something when he does.

[NatureCriminal7896]

I mean when you listen to a Michael Jackson song you don't look for swearing. if i want that i'll listen to all the other artists that do. in my opinion it's wasn't that bad, though everyone is different. if people don't like a song it's easy to change the channel. i agree. we live in a world were everything offends people. it never use to be like that.

[Electro]

Scream was already censored on the original single release in 1995 and there was a censored video version with sound effect on f*ing and Janet's middle finger blurred out.
So it's not like things have gotten worse. At least the uncensored version is available now.
Question really is... why didn't the album get an explicit sticker already in 1995.
Biggie also says the N word on This Time Around.