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    Smooth Criminal and Liberian Girl was wrote WAY before 1986. in one of Michael older interviews he talk about both songs. he knew both songs would be a hit. Smooth Criminal was originally call buffalo bill then to al capone.

    Smooth Criminal was suppose to be a western short film but he change his mind and went with what he have now. an 1930's nightclub.



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    Quote Originally Posted by NatureCriminal7896 View Post
    Smooth Criminal and Liberian Girl was wrote WAY before 1986. in one of Michael older interviews he talk about both songs.
    Sure, those were his demo recordings which he presented to Q.

    Quote Originally Posted by NatureCriminal7896 View Post
    Smooth Criminal was originally call buffalo bill then to al capone.
    That's bs. Buffalo Bill has nothing to do with Smooth or Capone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzball View Post
    That's bs. Buffalo Bill has nothing to do with Smooth or Capone.
    yes it does. if i'm wrong. please show me because buffalo bill and al capone were demos before it was made into smooth criminal.



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    Michael Jackson personally started work on BAD way before 1987. He started writing songs for the album as far back as 1984 and 1985. He recorded dozens of songs at his own personal studio in 1986. I've read multiple biographies on MJ.....Michael Jackson All The Songs, Man In The Music, as well as spoken to people who were involved.

    It may have been that the "official" Quincy Jones sessions didn't begin until early 1987 , but make no mistake.... half of the stuff was already done by then. MJ came in with dozens upon dozens of demos. The heavy lifting was already done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themidwestcowboy View Post
    Man this makes me sad. From what you're describing MJ was making the some of the most interesting music in his career. I have one question though. how is the vocal performance on these tracks? Especially the harder ones? Is it more reminiscent of Invincible or earlier than that?
    His voice on Rocker reminds me of the Invincible era to a certain extent, but not 100%. It sounded quite unique in total honesty. The tracks Rocker, Water, Adore You, and Monster were totally unique. It really does anger me when I think about it that these gems weren't finished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by travis3000 View Post
    The tracks Rocker, Water , Adore You, and Monster were totally unique. It really does anger me when I think about it that these gems weren't finished.
    Was Michael humming this song after the Billie Jean rehearsal in This Is It?

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    Default Re: Detailed list of unreleased songs that could be released

    Let's face it there is nothing left to be released that is completed and it looks like we aren't getting any demo's at all.

    Thank you @travis3000 for the information, it's very interesting but honestly I don't fall for it anymore. Back in the day I used to read about how amazing and different the invincible songs were and honestly they are not all that.
    If he was really making something revolutionary different he wouldn't have come up with the bland Invincible album.

    I'm also interested in the classical pieces he was involved in. They guy who worked with him hoped he would ever be able to release them so perhaps that's something for the future. If he is still interested in doing so after all the damaging controversies of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dethorro View Post
    Was Michael humming this song after the Billie Jean rehearsal in This Is It?
    Haha yes.

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    Knowing that Brad Buxer said "Adore You" was one of the songs he wishes Michael had the opportunity to finish only makes me want to hear it more. Anything that's comparable to "Will You Be There" is something the WORLD needs to hear.

    I know I've said it elsewhere, but it still boggles my mind that the fan community as a whole still has no idea what state Michael's songwriting was in around the time of his passing. Of the two post-trial recordings we have, one ("Hold My Hand") was written by someone else and the other ("Best of Joy") was written in the early eighties. We've yet to hear a true, honest-to-God NEW song by the King of Pop.

    People like travis3000 and Damien Shields have really heaped praise on this era of material, so I hope this changes soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by travis3000 View Post
    His voice on Rocker reminds me of the Invincible era to a certain extent, but not 100%. It sounded quite unique in total honesty. The tracks Rocker, Water, Adore You, and Monster were totally unique. It really does anger me when I think about it that these gems weren't finished.
    Isn't Monster vocals recorded in 1998?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dethorro View Post
    Christopher Currell wrote that in a blog in 2015, not during the time they were working on Bad.
    Okay.

    Apparently Christopher Currell (in that blog in 2015) refers to pre-sessions of the 'BAD' album that took place in 1986.

    Quote Originally Posted by NatureCriminal7896 View Post
    Smooth Criminal and Liberian Girl was wrote WAY before 1986. in one of Michael older interviews he talk about both songs. he knew both songs would be a hit. Smooth Criminal was originally call buffalo bill then to al capone.

    Smooth Criminal was suppose to be a western short film but he change his mind and went with what he have now. an 1930's nightclub.
    Quote Originally Posted by NatureCriminal7896 View Post
    yes it does. if i'm wrong. please show me because buffalo bill and al capone were demos before it was made into smooth criminal.
    ‘Smooth Criminal’ originated from a song called ‘Chicago 1945’.

    ‘Chicago 1945’ also exists as ‘Chicago Nights’.

    ‘Chicago 1945’, which remains unreleased, later became ‘Al Capone’, and then ‘Al Capone’ became eventually ‘Smooth Criminal’.

    ‘Buffalo Bill’ is totally unrelated to all of these three above songs.

    ‘Buffalo Bill’ was a song that Michael Jackson wrote for inclusion on the ‘Victory’ album, and few years later he also planned to include it on his ‘BAD’ album.

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    Quote Originally Posted by travis3000 View Post
    His voice on Rocker reminds me of the Invincible era to a certain extent, but not 100%. It sounded quite unique in total honesty. The tracks Rocker, Water, Adore You, and Monster were totally unique. It really does anger me when I think about it that these gems weren't finished.
    Thank you for sharing this. Much appreciated

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    Quote Originally Posted by travis3000 View Post
    Haha yes.
    Oh wow! That's awesome to hear.

    Quote Originally Posted by mj_frenzy View Post
    ‘Smooth Criminal’ originated from a song called ‘Chicago 1945’.

    ‘Chicago 1945’ also exists as ‘Chicago Nights’.

    ‘Chicago 1945’, which remains unreleased, later became ‘Al Capone’, and then ‘Al Capone’ became eventually ‘Smooth Criminal’.

    ‘Buffalo Bill’ is totally unrelated to all of these three above songs.

    ‘Buffalo Bill’ was a song that Michael Jackson wrote for inclusion on the ‘Victory’ album, and few years later he also planned to include it on his ‘BAD’ album.

    Chicago 1945 has no connection to Al Capone or Smooth Criminal.
    Someone who attended one of Brad Sundberg's seminars which featured also Steve Porcaro as a special guest (the guy who worked with Michael on Chicago 1945) wrote this in a blog:

    ''After the Thriller album came out, during the Victory tour (or maybe right before it) Porcaro submitted a few grooves to Michael. Sometime later MJ called Steve and told him that he wanted to do something with one of them. Apparently, he had gone to the library and read on Chicago of the 1930s-40s, and that’s how he came up with an idea for the song. He and Porcaro met and recorded nine straight vocal takes for what would become “Chicago 1945.”

    Of course, it’s impossible to describe music in text, but here are five things you need to know about “Chicago 1945”:
    - The song is completed musically an vocally and perfectly releasable as is;
    - It has no connection to “Al Capone” or “Smooth Criminal” (another myth) – a completely different and separate song;
    - The lyrics tell a story about (three?) girls who went out at night and disappeared;
    - It’s a catchy song. Not the level of greatness of “Billie Jean” or “Beat It,” but a solid groove. The hook (“Never to be found again… never to be found again”) was stuck in my head for 3 days after we had heard it;
    - As the song was playing, I was trying to find another MJ song to compare it to. The closest I could come up with was “Behind the Mask” – the song is in the same tempo, and even the composition seemed somewhat similar to me. Although I think “Chicago 1945” is sung in a lower key – Michael’s voice is not as resonant as in “BTM.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by travis3000 View Post
    His voice on Rocker reminds me of the Invincible era to a certain extent, but not 100%. It sounded quite unique in total honesty. The tracks Rocker, Water, Adore You, and Monster were totally unique. It really does anger me when I think about it that these gems weren't finished.
    @travis3000
    Is there any Chance that the Estate will ever release Rocker, Adore You and Water? Are there enough (proper) vocals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mj_frenzy View Post
    ‘Smooth Criminal’ originated from a song called ‘Chicago 1945’.

    ‘Chicago 1945’ also exists as ‘Chicago Nights’.

    ‘Chicago 1945’, which remains unreleased, later became ‘Al Capone’, and then ‘Al Capone’ became eventually ‘Smooth Criminal’.
    No, it didn’t.

    “Chicago 1945” is a completely separate track that has no lyrical or musical connection to “Al Capone” or “Smooth Criminal.”

    This has been confirmed by (1) co-writer Steve Porcaro, (2) Matt Forger, (3) Damien Shields, and (4) a number of attendees of an In the Studio with MJ seminar where the song was played.

    Also, “Chicago 1945” has never once been referred to as “Chicago Nights.” If I recall correctly, “Chicago Nights” was/is the working title for the segment in Moonwalker that contained the “Smooth Criminal” short film, and fans took the title connection and ran with it.

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