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    Default Re: Detailed list of unreleased songs that could be released

    Quote Originally Posted by mj_frenzy View Post
    The unreleased songs that are left from the 'Invincible' album sessions are more than 100.

    During a Los Angeles radio interview, Michael Jackson revealed to Steve Harvey (on March 8th, 2002) that for the ‘Invincible’ album, he did more than 100 songs.

    Michael Jackson: “'Cause I'll do at least over 100 songs, until I come up with about 20 or 30 that I like

    Steve Harvey: “No doubt...

    Michael Jackson: “And I'll decipher it down...

    Steve Harvey: “Wow, 100 songs, dog, before you come up with 20 or 30 you like?

    Michael Jackson: “Yeah, it was more this time, actually, than 100!

    Steve: “Gee

    Rodney Jerkins also spoke about a similar number of more than 100 unreleased songs from the ‘Invincible’ album sessions.
    I know that he told that in the interview, but we all know Michael loved to exaggerate things. I want to know if there is actual recorded stuff, that is different than drafts or ideas.

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    Default Re: Detailed list of unreleased songs that could be released

    NO waay did MJ finish record more than 100 songs for Invincible. - He may have had more than 100 songs/demos looked thru - songs other people submitted, some melodies he made himself etc. But I doubt he laid down finished vocals for more than 30 songs...
    https://www.youtube.com/user/Ahess/videos - me dancing MJ - many years ago.

    I would be really glad if you rated or/and commented the videos. Thanks

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    Default Re: Detailed list of unreleased songs that could be released

    Quote Originally Posted by Hess View Post
    NO waay did MJ finish record more than 100 songs for Invincible. - He may have had more than 100 songs/demos looked thru - songs other people submitted, some melodies he made himself etc. But I doubt he laid down finished vocals for more than 30 songs...
    Still, I would like to hear them. Invincible was the album Michael worked on for a long time. It was a long wait between history and the release of invincible. It’s an interesting period and I would like to know more of these recording sessions.

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    Default Re: Detailed list of unreleased songs that could be released

    Invincible had 16 songs that made the cut. We've heard already many outtakes like:

    -Another Day
    -Fall Again
    -A Place With No Name
    -Beautiful Girl
    -The Way You Love Me
    -We've Had Enough
    -Shout
    -One More Chance
    -Xscape
    -She Was Loving Me
    -Blue Gangster
    -Days In Gloucestershire
    -I Am A Loser
    -In The Back
    -All In Your Name
    -Seeing Voices

    In addition to these there are about 4-5 other songs that are 100% complete, and about 15-20 more that are in various stages of completion.
    Last edited by travis3000; 27-02-2020 at 10:52 PM.

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    Default Re: Detailed list of unreleased songs that could be released

    Quote Originally Posted by travis3000 View Post
    Invincible had 16 songs that made the cut. We've heard already many outtakes like:

    -Another Day
    -Fall Again
    -A Place With No Name
    -Beautiful Girl
    -The Way You Love Me
    -We've Had Enough
    -Shout
    -One More Chance
    -Xscape
    -She Was Loving Me
    -Blue Gangster
    -Days In Gloucestershire
    -I Am A Loser
    -In The Back
    -All In Your Name
    -Seeing Voices

    In addition to these there are about 4-5 other songs that are 100% complete, and about 15-20 more that are in various stages of completion.
    Wow, 5 complete never before heard songs? What kind of songs, what do they sound like? Who produced them?

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    Default Re: Detailed list of unreleased songs that could be released

    I hate the consistent fighting myself. But I cannot stand the ridiculous and provably false claims.

    Quote Originally Posted by mj_frenzy View Post
    Some other sources are, for example, Chris Cadman and Craig Halstead who have mentioned several times in their writings that ‘Chicago 1945’ is a song that evolved into ‘Smooth Criminal’.

    Chris Cadman and Craig Halstead can be considered reliable sources also because they have been working closely with Adrian Grant for many years, and they have been helping him in his research for some of his publications (like, his ‘Michael Jackson: The Visual Documentary’ book).
    Yes, the Chris Cadman and Craig Halstead who wrote "For the Record," which was originally published in 2007 and updated in 2014, i.e. prior to any public commentary on "Chicago 1945." That book contains plenty of information that we now know to be incorrect.

    As a side comment, you are in no position to say to anyone here that he/she confuses or mixes up his/her own opinion with fact, considering that you have been doing that exact thing:
    This comment was from six years ago. I've since stopped.

    Quote Originally Posted by mj_frenzy View Post
    The unreleased songs that are left from the 'Invincible' album sessions are more than 100.
    No. There's. Not. There's not even 100 finished tracks in the vault from 1979-2009.

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    Default Re: Detailed list of unreleased songs that could be released

    Quote Originally Posted by travis3000 View Post
    -One More Chance
    -Days In Gloucestershire
    -I Am A Loser
    I myself believed these to be recorded for INVINCIBLE but according to the producers they were all recorded AFTER 2001.


    Quote Originally Posted by travis3000 View Post
    -All In Your Name
    -Seeing Voices
    The first was recorded in 2002 and the second was never intended for INVINCIBLE, it was a special project as we know, that's where the leak is sourced from.

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    Yeah, I thought DIG and IAAL were recorded in 03.

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    Default Re: Detailed list of unreleased songs that could be released

    Some more information about songs that have been mentioned here:

    ‘In The Back’ has no connection at all to the ‘Invincible’ album.

    ‘In The Back’ belongs to the ‘Blood On The Dance Floor’ era, it is an outtake from that album, but it was replaced by ‘Superfly Sister’ on the album.

    ‘In The Back’ did not eventually make the ‘Blood On The Dance Floor’ album because, firstly that album had to have only (as the album’s title suggests) fast-paced and dance songs whereas ‘In The Back’ had a rather catatonic musical tempo, and secondly because ‘In The Back’ would have been too much as another one dark-themed addition next to the already four other dark-themed new songs on the album.

    ‘All In Your Name’, which exists also as ‘Prayer For Peace’, was recorded after 2001.

    ‘Seeing Voices’ had already been a fully finished and mixed song by May (1999), when it was played during a gathering of friends at the invitation of Michael Jackson.

    It is not clear whether Michael Jackson considered also including ‘Seeing Voices’ in his ‘Invincible’ album.

    ‘Days In Gloucestershire’ was recorded in 2004 (in one of the Neverland’s bungalows where Michael Jackson was staying at the time due to the police’s raid in Neverland).

    The recording sessions of ‘I Am A Loser’ began after two years from the release of the ‘Invincible’ album.

    ‘We've Had Enough’ is an outtake from the ‘Invincible’ album, although the song was originally conceived as a duet between Michael Jackson and his sister Janet Jackson with plans for a stand-alone single release of that duet song.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysThere View Post
    I hate the consistent fighting myself. But I cannot stand the ridiculous and provably false claims.
    This. It’s very sad to see that every thread that is somehow speculative by nature turns into a fight over false claims. And it would be so easy to fix. It’s perfectly okay to talk about things we don’t know for sure, if we make it clear that we don’t know for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mj_frenzy View Post

    Rodney Jerkins also spoke about a similar number of more than 100 unreleased songs from the ‘Invincible’ album sessions.
    What he meant was most certainly song ideas, song sketches, rough demos and finished songs.
    There aren't 100 finished songs left over from the Invincible era or from any era for that matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScreenOrigami View Post
    if we make it clear that we don’t know for sure.



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    Quote Originally Posted by dethorro View Post
    What he meant was most certainly song ideas, song sketches, rough demos and finished songs.
    There aren't 100 finished songs left over from the Invincible era or from any era for that matter.
    This. I have a musician friend who is like that. He keeps pouring out song ideas all the time, and they materialize in the form of chord progressions he notes down, or a quick and rough recording with his phone. His house is scattered with scraps of paper with lyrics sketches. Some ideas end up as sheet music, and some simply exist in his head. Every time we meet – that’s once a week – he has something new he wants my opinion on, so if someone were to ask me how many songs he’s written, I would have to say I have no idea what even qualifies as a written song.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mj_frenzy View Post
    ‘In The Back’ belongs to the ‘Blood On The Dance Floor’ era, it is an outtake from that album, but it was replaced by ‘Superfly Sister’ on the album.

    ‘In The Back’ did not eventually make the ‘Blood On The Dance Floor’ album because, firstly that album had to have only (as the album’s title suggests) fast-paced and dance songs whereas ‘In The Back’ had a rather catatonic musical tempo, and secondly because ‘In The Back’ would have been too much as another one dark-themed addition next to the already four other dark-themed new songs on the album.
    ITB was recorded during HIStory sessions. SS was chosen due to limited times restrictions only - it was the most completed song, so only little production (and hence time) was needed.

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    Default Re: Detailed list of unreleased songs that could be released

    I don't understand why on that ultimate collection songs were chosen that were clearly unfinished (like "in the back"). This proves that there isn't much fully completed material left.

    Anyway just gives us the freaking demo's I don't care.

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