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    Default how big/important is the "black singles chart" in USA? Plus question about airplay.

    Nearly all J5/MJ singles were huge hits in this list but as a European I have no clue what it means. Jam for example was nr 3 in that chart while it only reached nr 26 (?) in the pop charts. Why is one more important than the other?
    Does this simply mean that Jam wasn't liked by the "white" audience?

    Also is anything post bad album still regularly played on the radio? I swear the only MJ stuff I hear on the radio is I want you back, ABC, blame it on the boogie and then the off the wall, thriller and bad singles. I'm European based, how is it where you guys live/reside?

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    Default Re: how big/important is the "black singles chart" in USA? Plus question about airplay.

    I live in America and sadly I don't know myself. lol. they should be as important as any other artists. i'm not really the one who look at charts etc only it been mention.

    maybe someone here may know if they live in America.



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    The Hot 100 chart is for singles and Billboard 200 for albums is for everything together in the USA. The Top 40 is the upper part of the Hot 100 and is a radio format. They represent what is popular to the mainstream American audience. Technically, you could say "mainstream" is the white audience in general. It doesn't mean that only white people listen to it or buy it. But since whites are considered the majority, it tends to sell more if they get into it. All the other charts are considered "sub-charts" for specific audiences (R&B/Hip Hop, country, Album Oriented Rock, alternative rock, dance, Latin pop, Regional Mexican, adult contemporary, etc). That's why acts on the sub-charts are said to "crossover" to the Top 40. They're crossing over to the mainstream audience. Like Kenny Rogers is a country singer who got Top 40 airplay and George Strait did not. The Jacksons (rather than the J5) as a group did not get as much crossover airplay as Mike or Janet. Jermaine had a lot of R&B hits too, but few Top 40 pop hits because he usually did not get airplay there.

    The way crossover usually worked in the past is that if a song happened to become a big hit for the audience who primarily listen to the radio stations for the specific genre, it might start to get airplay on Top 40. R&B as a genre never really crossed over like hip hop later did. Hip hop is mainstream music now, it does not have to crossover like R&B still does to this day. In the beginning, it did have to crossover like with Run-DMC. Some R&B was considered too black for crossover. 1960s Motown was designed to crossover. This is why Diana Ross was pretty much given all of the leads in The Supremes, when before signing with Motown, they started out sharing leads. Flo & Mary voices were considered too gospel/R&B for pop airplay.

    But not everybody played on the specific genre stations get crossover airplay. Other than the main rock (AOR) stations, most of the other artists for genres like R&B did not get the same amount of promotion budget as Top 40. They also did not get the same amount of mainstream media attention. There's a reason things like Ebony Magazine, Right On!, Soul Train, BET, Telemundo, etc. were created. To give black entertainers an outlet that they generally did not get otherwise. Rolling Stone declined to do a cover story on Mike after the success of Off The Wall, but they would do a story about him. Which was code for mainstream magazines thinking that non-white people on the cover did not sell as well. Also the reason early MTV said that they had a rock format, but they would show Hall & Oates videos and they were basically doing R&B. During it's entire history, Top 40 radio was more likely to play a white act doing R&B than a black one. Such as New Kids On The Block became way more popular than New Edition. The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Elvis Presley, etc were more popular than the black blues and R&B singers who they were influenced by. Rock n roll was originally came from music by black artists, but is pretty much known as white music today. Notice that most of the biggest sellers in history are white male rock acts.

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    Default Re: how big/important is the "black singles chart" in USA? Plus question about airplay.

    Wow. that's really sad. it's really goes to show you nothing much changed. though, i can say nowadays it seem more people of different races are listening to all kinds of music.

    i could be wrong because like I said I don't look at the charts only it's mention.



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    Default Re: how big/important is the "black singles chart" in USA? Plus question about airplay.

    Quote Originally Posted by JichaelMackson View Post
    Also is anything post bad album still regularly played on the radio? I swear the only MJ stuff I hear on the radio is I want you back, ABC, blame it on the boogie and then the off the wall, thriller and bad singles. I'm European based, how is it where you guys live/reside?
    I'm in the USA. It depends on the radio format as to what is played today. These songs get fairly regular airplay today on the local stations.

    Adult R&B:

    Remember The Time
    Butterflies
    You Rock My World
    Jam

    Lady In My Life
    P.Y.T.
    Billie Jean
    Rock With You
    Working Day And Night
    Another Part Of Me
    The Jacksons - Heartbreak Hotel
    Jackson 5 - I Want You Back
    SWV - Right Here (Human Nature remix)

    adult contemporary:
    You Are Not Alone
    Black Or White

    She's Out Of My Life
    Human Nature
    Man In The Mirror
    The Way You Make Me Feel
    Jackson 5 - I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus (Every year, starting in mid-November, the local AC station goes to an all Christmas song playlist)

    Top 40 oldies
    :
    Black Or White
    Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'
    Smooth Criminal
    Beat It
    Billie Jean
    Bad
    Thriller
    The Way You Make Me Feel
    The Jacksons - Shake Your Body
    Rockwell - Somebody's Watching Me

    soul oldies
    :
    I Can't Let Her Get Away
    I Wanna Be Where You Are
    Got To Be There
    Lady In My Life
    Billie Jean
    Baby Be Mine
    Jermaine & Michael - Tell Me I'm Not Dreamin'
    Jackson 5 - Whatever You Got I Want
    Jackson 5 - I Am Love
    Jackson 5 - All I Do Is Think Of You
    Jackson 5 - Dancing Machine
    The Jacksons - Good Times
    The Jacksons - Show You The Way To Go
    The Jacksons - Enjoy Yourself
    The Jacksons - Push Me Away
    The Jacksons - Lovely One
    The Jacksons - Walk Right Now
    The Jacksons - State Of Shock
    The Jacksons - Torture
    The Jacksons - One More Chance
    The Jacksons - 2300 Jackson Street

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    Default Re: how big/important is the "black singles chart" in USA? Plus question about airplay.

    I'm in Australia and I regularly hear tracks from Dangerous, HIStory and Invincible played on my radio station.

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    Default Re: how big/important is the "black singles chart" in USA? Plus question about airplay.

    ^ i hear off the wall stuff mainly here

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    Default Rev. James L. White

    Here's a skit from the 1970s Richard Pryor Show that could apply to record labels wanting their R&B acts to crossover to the mainstream audience. It's at time 6:50-8:10.

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    Default Jackson 5ive

    I Want You Back: #1 (1970)
    ABC: #1 (1970)
    The Love You Save: #1 (1970)
    I'll Be There: #1 (1970)
    Mama's Pearl: #2 (1971)
    Maybe Tomorrow: #3 (1971)
    Never Can Say Goodbye: #1 (1971)
    Sugar Daddy: #3 (1972)
    Little Bitty Pretty One: #8 (1972)
    Lookin' Through The Windows: #5 (1972)
    Corner Of The Sky: #9 (1972)
    Hallelujah Day: #10 (1973)
    Get It Together: #2 (1973)
    Dancing Machine: #1 (1974)
    Whatever You Got, I Want: #3 (1974)
    You Haven't Done Nothin' {Stevie Wonder}: #1 (1974)
    I Am Love (Parts I & II): #5 (1975)
    Forever Came Today: #6 (1975)
    All I Do Is Think Of You: #50 (1975)
    Who's Lovin' You: #48 (1992)

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    Default The Jacksons

    Enjoy Yourself: #2 (1976)
    Show You The Way To Go: #6 (1977)
    Goin' Places: #8 (1977)
    Find Me A Girl: #38 (1978)
    Blame It On The Boogie: #3 (1978)
    Shake Your Body (Down To The Ground): #3 (1979)
    Lovely One: #2 (1980)
    Heartbreak Hotel: #2 (1981)
    Can You Feel It: #30 (1981)
    Walk Right Now: #50 (1981)
    State Of Shock {with Mick Jagger}: #4 (1984)
    Torture: #12 (1984)
    Body: #39 (1984)
    Time Out For The Burglar: #88 (1987)
    Nothin' (That Compares 2 U): #4 (1989)
    2300 Jackson Street: #9 (1989)

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    Default Michael

    Got To Be There: #4 (1971)
    I Wanna Be Where You Are: #2 (1972)
    Ben: #5 (1972)
    Rockin' Robin: #2 (1972)
    With A Child's Heart: #14 (1973)
    We're Almost There: #7 (1975)
    Just A Little Bit Of You: #4 (1975)
    Ease On Down The Road {Diana Ross & Michael Jackson}: #17 (1978)
    You Can't Win (Part 1): #42 (1979)
    Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough: #1 (1979)
    Rock With You: #1 (1980)
    Off The Wall: #5 (1980)
    She's Out Of My Life: #43 (1980)
    Save Me {Dave Mason}: #70 (1980)
    One Day In Your Life: #42 (1981)
    The Girl Is Mine {Michael Jackson & Paul McCartney}: #1 (1983)
    Billie Jean: #1 (1983)
    Beat It: #1 (1983)
    Wanna Be Startin' Somethin': #5 (1983)
    Human Nature: #27 (1983)
    Say Say Say {Paul McCartney & Michael Jackson}: #2 (1983)
    P.Y.T. (Pretty Young Thing): #46 (1983)
    Thriller: #3 (1984)
    Farewell My Summer Love: #37 (1984)
    Somebody's Watching Me {Rockwell}: #1 (1984)
    We Are The World {USA For Africa}: #1 (1985)
    I Just Can't Stop Loving You {feat. Siedah Garrett}: #1 (1987)
    Bad: #1 (1987)
    The Way You Make Me Feel: #1 (1987)
    Man In The Mirror: #1 (1988)
    Get It {Stevie Wonder & Michael Jackson}: #4 (1988)
    Dirty Diana: #5 (1988)
    Another Part Of Me: #1 (1988)
    Smooth Criminal: #2 (1988)
    Black Or White: #3 (1992)
    Remember The Time: #1 (1992)
    In The Closet: #1 (1992)
    Jam: #3 (1992)
    Heal The World: #62 (1993)
    Who Is It: #6 (1993)
    Whatzupwitu {Eddie Murphy feat. Michael Jackson}: #74 (1993)
    Right Here (Human Nature Remix) {SWV}: #1 (1993)
    Will You Be There: #53 (1993)
    Scream {Michael Jackson & Janet Jackson}: #2 (1995)
    You Are Not Alone: #1 (1995)
    Why {3T feat. Michael Jackson}: #71 (1996)
    They Don't Care About Us: #10 (1996)
    Stranger In Moscow: #50 (1997)
    Blood On The Dance Floor: #19 (1997)
    You Rock My World: #13 (2001)
    Butterflies: #2 (2002)
    Heaven Can Wait: #72 (2002)
    One More Chance: #40 (2003)
    This Is It {feat. The Jacksons}: #18 (2009)
    Hold My Hand {Akon & Michael Jackson}: #33 (2010)
    Hollywood Tonight: #46 (2011)
    Love Never Felt So Good {Michael Jackson & Justin Timberlake}: #5 (2014)
    Slave To The Rhythm: #12 (2014)
    Chicago: #50 (2014)
    Don't Matter To Me {Drake feat. Michael Jackson}: #8 (2018)

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    Default Jermaine

    That's How Love Goes: #23 (1972)
    Daddy's Home: #3 (1973)
    You're In Good Hands: #35 (1973)
    Let's Be Young Tonight: #19 (1976)
    You Need To Be Loved: #75 (1977)
    Castles Of Sand: #38 (1978)
    Let's Get Serious: #1 (1980)
    You're Supposed To Keep Your Love For Me: #32 (1980)
    You Like Me Don't You: #13 (1981)
    Little Girl Don't You Worry: #17 (1981)
    I'm Just Too Shy: #29 (1981)
    Let Me Tickle Your Fancy: #5 (1982)
    Paradise In Your Eyes: #60 (1982)
    Very Special Part: #54 (1982)
    Dynamite!: #8 (1984)
    Do What You Do: #14 (1985)
    When The Rain Begins To Fall {feat. Pia Zadora}: #61 (1985)
    (Closest Thing To) Perfect: #63 (1985)
    I Think It's Love: #14 (1986)
    Do You Remember Me?: #40 (1986)
    Words Into Action: #90 (1987)
    Don't Take It Personal: #1 (1989)
    Two Ships: #21 (1990)
    I'd Like To Get To Know You: #27 (1990)
    You Said, You Said: #25 (1991)
    I Dream, I Dream: #30 (1992)
    Word To The Badd!!: #88 (1992)

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    Don't Go: #2 (1987)
    Baby Tonight: #57 (1988)

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    Default Randy

    How Can I Be Sure: #91 (1978)
    Perpetrators {Randy & The Gypsys}: #41 (1989)
    Love You Honey {Randy & The Gypsys}: #16 (1990)

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    Default Tito

    Both of these songs charted on the Adult R&B chart, which is the R&B equivalent of adult contemporary.

    Get It Baby
    : #20 (2016)
    One Way Street: #29 (2019)

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