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    According to wiki these are the tours the J5 and Michael Jackson did during their career.

    -The Jackson 5 first national tour 1970 USA only
    -The Jackson 5 second national tour 1971 USA only
    -The Jackson 5 1972 tour USA/Europe
    -The Jackson 5 world tour 1973-1975 first tour around the globe visiting each continent (a good quality Mexico gig is available on YouTube)
    -The Jackson 5 final tour 1976 Philippines
    -The Jacksons tour 1977 Europe/Venezuela
    -Goin Places tour 1978 USA/Europe
    -Destiny world tour 1979/1980 2nd global tour
    -Triumph tour 1981 USA only
    -Victory tour 1984 North America
    -Bad tour 1987-1989 3rd world tour (first solo)
    -Dangerous tour 1992-1993 4th world tour (2nd solo)
    -HIStory tour 1996-1997 5th world tour (3rd solo)
    -MJ and friends gigs 1999 South Korea + Munich
    -MSG 30 year anniversary gigs 2001 USA

    Cancelled tours/concerts/gigs:
    -One Night Only 1995
    -New Years eve 2000 concerts
    -This is it 2009/2010

    TV show gigs, award gigs stuff like that, something I know absolutely nothing about, perhaps someone can fill the void?

    I really like to see concerts of the first 2 tours as "the Jacksons" around 1977/1978 as I feel that's when MJ started his prime in singing/performing which lasted till basically the Bad tour imo

    The early national tours of the J5 (around 1970-1973) must have been special as well with true chaos and mayhem when the brothers arrived on stage (or so the myth goes)

    Perhaps the true holy grail lies in the early gigs they played (presumable in bars) during the second half of 1960s before they became big, if someone has amateur footage of that time he is in possession of a treasure.

    Perhaps some older members can tell about their experiences on tours? I hope there are people around who saw them perform as the Jackson 5, that would be awesome to read about!
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    After the MSG shows MJ had 3 other shows. He led a charity event called “United We Stand” in tribute of the 9/11 victims at the end of 2001. Proper footage of Michael at the event has never been released due to some kind of agreement that the TV networks had about showing him on their channel. He performed Man in the Mirror and What More Can I Give, the latter of which Michael can be seen in from a distance on YouTube.

    In 2002 he performed Dangerous at the American Bandstand 50th Anniversary Celebration. This can be seen on YouTube. Michael also performed at a fundraiser for the DNC in April 2002. High quality snippets of the performance of Dangerous can be seen online, but the rest was not broadcast at the time. He also performed Black or White and Heal the World on this night.

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    How odd that he would keep performing old songs around 2001/2002 with a new album out. I don't think he must have been very proud of the album itself. If only he had found a way to put his demons aside so that he could release albums every 2/3 years. Perhaps he thought since the album flopped the fans didn't want him to do "new" material? Either way he was wrong we would have loved it.

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    Only Michael Jackson could release an album that sells over 10 million copies and have it be called a flop. If anyone else sold those numbers then it would be considered a great commercial success. Especially in 2001 with websites like Napster and Livewire popping up where people were downloaded music for free

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    Quote Originally Posted by analogue View Post
    Only Michael Jackson could release an album that sells over 10 million copies and have it be called a flop. If anyone else sold those numbers then it would be considered a great commercial success. Especially in 2001 with websites like Napster and Livewire popping up where people were downloaded music for free
    Especially when you consider that when Invincible came out, Michael was 43 and not in his youthful prime anymore. Considering how the radios tend to favour the younger artists over the older artists and that Michael's reputation wasn't the greatest at the time, the fact that Invincible sold over 10 million is a great achievement. Most artists in their prime can't manage to replicate sales of Invincible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JichaelMackson View Post
    How odd that he would keep performing old songs around 2001/2002 with a new album out. I don't think he must have been very proud of the album itself. If only he had found a way to put his demons aside so that he could release albums every 2/3 years. Perhaps he thought since the album flopped the fans didn't want him to do "new" material? Either way he was wrong we would have loved it.
    Put his demons aside? What?

    Or you know, actually be a perfectionist releasing quality music?

    Also, if you think Michael Jackson would release a body of work to the public, without being proud of it, it would seem you know very little about the man himself.

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    Every post I make seems to be toxic for at least someone. Grow up people. If you want me gone, just say so and I'll be gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by analogue View Post
    Only Michael Jackson could release an album that sells over 10 million copies and have it be called a flop. If anyone else sold those numbers then it would be considered a great commercial success. Especially in 2001 with websites like Napster and Livewire popping up where people were downloaded music for free

    It's a flop end of discussion it was out of the higher ends of the charts after 4 weeks, it had 1 hit single and it only sold reasonable numbers because MJ had a big fanbase.

    Now go and hate me for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JichaelMackson View Post
    It's a flop end of discussion it was out of the higher ends of the charts after 4 weeks
    So do you consider blues, gospel, classical, instrumental, or jazz albums "flops"? They rarely reach the upper parts of the Top 200 chart, especially with the current mainstream audience. Nor do they have usually have hit singles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DuranDuran View Post
    So do you consider blues, gospel, classical, instrumental, or jazz albums "flops"? They rarely reach the upper parts of the Top 200 chart, especially with the current mainstream audience. Nor do they have usually have hit singles.
    MJ's record company release albums of MJ with the thought of reaching multiple tens of millions of sales, it's all about money. Invincible didn't have legs so promotion was probably quickly deemed even more loss of money. I don't know what classical or jazz albums have to do with this.
    I'm not talking about quality, I'm talking about sales. Movies that cost 100 million to produce and end up earning 150 million at the gates are also flops.
    Dangerous was almost considered a flop (I don't agree with that) and that album sold truckloads of records not too mention it stayed in the top 10 for months while Invincible was gone after 1 month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JichaelMackson View Post
    MJ's record company release albums of MJ with the thought of reaching multiple tens of millions of sales, it's all about money. Invincible didn't have legs so promotion was probably quickly deemed even more loss of money. I don't know what classical or jazz albums have to do with this.
    If a record does not sell as well, what's it to you? Do you own Sony stock or something? Record labels and movie studios sometimes release records/movies to fail on purpose. So it's not always about making money.

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    This is pure speculation, but we probably would’ve seen more Invincible material live if he chose to tour for the album. Since all these 2000s concerts were anniversary concerts or short performances it was probably just safer to stick with the classics.

    That being said I don’t think any Invincible songs were being rehearsed for This Is It, which is a shame but he couldn’t afford to take risks with relaunching his career.

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    10 million plus copies is still a success regardless of how long Invincible stayed in the top 10 charts. And it's unfair to compare it to MJ's previous album sales because 2001 was a different time to the 80's and 90's. Websites like Napster hurt record sales for a lot of artists at that time

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    Quote Originally Posted by JichaelMackson View Post
    Dangerous was almost considered a flop.
    By whom?
    I doubt anyone ever said that Dangerous was a flop. You have to be pretty ignorant to say that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dethorro View Post
    By whom?
    I doubt anyone ever said that Dangerous was a flop. You have to be pretty ignorant to say that.
    I said almost. I'm talking about the complete picture, less nr 1 hits, less top 10 hits and less sales in general in the USA which is still the most important market. I can't back it up but I remember a big deal was made when Dangerous dropped from the first spot to Nirvana in the USA and to Queen's greatest hits in the UK.
    But the album had legs it stayed high in the charts for several months, proving early critics about it being a flop wrong. Hence I said "almost".

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