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    Default Re: Why do we compare Michael with other artists? like beyonce? justin bieber? Prince? etc?

    Quote Originally Posted by mj_frenzy View Post
    Also, part of the reason that Michael Jackson created his Neverland Ranch (around 1988) was because he wanted a similar reclusive residency place like Prince’s Paisley Park (that Prince created one or two years earlier).
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    Man enough already, this is a blatant lie. MJ had been looking at that property ever since 1983 when he first encountered the ranch during the filming of "Say Say Say". MJ had already turned the Encino house into a mini neverland way before that. Also prince wasn't the first artist to have a reclusive residency, first that comes to mind is Elvis Pressley with Graceland.

    I dislike when people try to rewrite history, especially die hard prince fans. They say he wanted to do movies because prince did purple rain forgetting that he did the variety shows and Wiz and Thriller which was a short film etc. The reason michael wanted to do moonwalker was because he LOVED films and wanted to be an actor.
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    Default Re: Why do we compare Michael with other artists? like beyonce? justin bieber? Prince? etc?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4 View Post
    I think its only natural, for people to compare artists of any kind with another in their field. Having said that, I don't think Justin Beiber has reached the same level as Michael in any way, shape, or form. Prince, maybe - that's debatable.
    NO ONE has reached the same level as Michael. It is a FACT that no one has ever reached Michaelís level as of this moment in time. It is DEBATABLE that some one may eventually reach that level in the future.IMO, I donít think we will see that happen in our lifetime.

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    Default Re: Why do we compare Michael with other artists? like beyonce? justin bieber? Prince? etc?

    Quote Originally Posted by Themidwestcowboy View Post
    Man enough already, this is a blatant lie. MJ had been looking at that property ever since 1983 when he first encountered the ranch during the filming of "Say Say Say". MJ had already turned the Encino house into a mini neverland way before that. Also prince wasn't the first artist to have a reclusive residency, first that comes to mind is Elvis Pressley with Graceland.

    I dislike when people try to rewrite history, especially die hard prince fans. They say he wanted to do movies because prince did purple rain forgetting that he did the variety shows and Wiz and Thriller which was a short film etc. The reason michael wanted to do moonwalker was because he LOVED films and wanted to be an actor.
    Thank you, Thank YOU, THANK YOU!! I too am sick of the LIES and people, especially Prince fans trying to rewrite history to fit THEIR agenda and narrative. Thank you for having the intelligence to speak up about this BS. I applaud every single word that you posted.Btw, this is the very reason for this so-called “competition”- fans, mostly Prince fans perpetuate this childish crap and then the media catches on to it and exploits it. Give it a rest! It’s pathetic!
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    Default Re: Why do we compare Michael with other artists? like beyonce? justin bieber? Prince? etc?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzball View Post
    How do you even dare?




    LOL! i'm not a fan of him either but their are people who do compare him to Michael. i know. i know.



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    Quote Originally Posted by DuranDuran View Post
    People like comparing stuff I guess.
    It's stupid in my opinion.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ScreenOrigami View Post
    Some people are so unique, they canít be surpassed. Theyíre in their own league.
    Ture.



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    Quote Originally Posted by DuranDuran View Post
    Back in the 1970s, people compared groups like The Jackson 5, The Osmonds, The Sylvers, & The Five Stairsteps to each other. I think some people feel music is like sports. One team is better than the other team. In the case of music, so and so has more hits or sold more than someone else or won more awards. So they are better. No, they just had a better promotional budget or signed to more powerful record label. But music is not sports, it's not a competition. Music can't be determined by who runs the fastest or who got the most points.
    Exactly.



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    Default Re: Why do we compare Michael with other artists? like beyonce? justin bieber? Prince? etc?

    Quote Originally Posted by dethorro View Post
    I honestly don't get why this is such a big deal. Who cares what some people say or do?
    I know right? who really cares.

    Quote Originally Posted by dethorro View Post
    And btw ''we don't compare Michael to other artists''...other artists are being compared to Michael, which says a lot!
    You're right. i see this all the time and it get on my nerves. Michael was his own person. let others be who they wanna be. but he will always be an legend.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ScreenOrigami View Post
    Yup. We should acknowledge though that MJ himself was indeed very competitive. He wanted to be the greatest show on earth, and he was willing to pay the price for it, so thatís maybe part of the reason people get so competitive. Heís way out of reach for any artist currently alive,
    That's make a lot of sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by ScreenOrigami View Post
    So itís kind of cute to see people try to make the comparison at all.
    hahahaha



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    Quote Originally Posted by Themidwestcowboy View Post
    Yes but it is different when they do it to MJ tho. It's always done with malice in a negative manner and it is always meant to knock him down a peg. And when compared to his contemporaries it is never the other way around. MJ got compared to his contemporaries but they never got compared to him. So it's not in a fair way.
    You're right about this. Michael got some of ideas from james brown and jackie wilson. that's explains so much with the Jackson 5. he look up to both of them and other artists and people in history as well.



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    Default Re: Why do we compare Michael with other artists? like beyonce? justin bieber? Prince? etc?

    Quote Originally Posted by somewhereinthedark View Post
    Thank you. Itís usually not MJ fans who compare Him to other artists, itís other artistís fans who compare Michael to them. Itís other artist fans who tear down Michael every chance they get, because of jealousy and being insecure. . MJ fans rarely do that, except maybe the immature ones. Mature fans donít do that childish crap. We donít have to compare Michael to anyone. His influence and talent speaks for itself.


    Quote Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4 View Post
    I don't think Justin Bieber has reached the same level as Michael in any way, shape, or form. Prince, maybe - that's debatable.
    He hasn't. if Justin wanna get to Michael level he has a lot of work to do. Prince was/is somewhat on Michael level but not quite. i would say he kind of was/is.



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    1. Michael didn’t create Moonwalker to compete with Purple Rain. Moonwalker was a promotional piece for the album, Bad. Had nothing to do with Purple Rain. Michael poked a little good natured fun at Prince in the film only because Prince had said some devious things about him in the past.

    2. I KNOW Michael had no idea he would sell out as many O2 arenas as he did. He had not toured in years, he was not promoting a new album, he had been inundated with negative press. The difference is Prince was promoting new album, giving away free albums with each purchased ticket, and no negative press.Even the promoters had no idea Michael would sell out even 10 shows. It was his sheer star power and the respect and love for Michael that caused him to sell out 50 shows in ONE CITY with no album or promotion. This is unheard of and no one else in history had ever done it before or since. It had nothing to do with outdoing Prince. The only people I have ever heard say that was the promoters after Michael’s murder. This RUMOR is being spread as if it were fact and Prince fans use it as another tool in their fanatical jealousy and hate of Michael.

    3.The comparisons were 99.9% fueled by the media. It was the media who compared Michael with every artist, even his own sister, just to tear him down.



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    Default Re: Why do we compare Michael with other artists? like beyonce? justin bieber? Prince? etc?

    Quote Originally Posted by Themidwestcowboy View Post
    Man enough already, this is a blatant lie. MJ had been looking at that property ever since 1983 when he first encountered the ranch during the filming of "Say Say Say". MJ had already turned the Encino house into a mini neverland way before that. Also prince wasn't the first artist to have a reclusive residency, first that comes to mind is Elvis Pressley with Graceland.
    LMBO!

    Quote Originally Posted by Themidwestcowboy View Post
    I dislike when people try to rewrite history, especially die hard prince fans. They say he wanted to do movies because prince did purple rain forgetting that he did the variety shows and Wiz and Thriller which was a short film etc. The reason Michael wanted to do moonwalker was because he LOVED films and wanted to be an actor.
    Exactly. and i didn't know some prince fans do this. i don't think Prince would of like his fans downing Michael or any other artists like Michael didn't either. they shouldn't call themselves fans at all. also elvis pretty much did movies and has his own reclusive residency before both of them.

    i don't like when people rewrite history period.



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    Default Re: Why do we compare Michael with other artists? like beyonce? justin bieber? Prince? etc?

    I think itís because everyone knows that Michael is the standard, the blueprint. Heís reached a status level in music history that has never been seen before. Sooo when I hear people comparing him to other artists, itís supposed to be a form of flattery to the other artist. But then again topics are always compared. MJ vs LeBron, Janet vs Madonna, Mariah vs Whitney, Lakers vs Celtics...etc

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    Default Re: Why do we compare Michael with other artists? like beyonce? justin bieber? Prince? etc?

    Quote Originally Posted by somewhereinthedark View Post
    1. Michael didn’t create Moonwalker to compete with Purple Rain. Moonwalker was a promotional piece for the album, Bad. Had nothing to do with Purple Rain. Michael poked a little good natured fun at Prince in the film only because Prince had said some devious things about him in the past.
    2. I KNOW Michael had no idea he would sell out as many O2 arenas as he did. He had not toured in years, he was not promoting a new album, he had been inundated with negative press. The difference is Prince was promoting new album, giving away free albums with each purchased ticket, and no negative press.Even the promoters had no idea Michael would sell out even 10 shows. It was his sheer star power and the respect and love for Michael that caused him to sell out 50 shows in ONE CITY with no album or promotion. This is unheard of and no one else in history had ever done it before or since. It had nothing to do with outdoing Prince. The only people I have ever heard say that was the promoters after Michael’s murder. This RUMOR is being spread as if it were fact and Prince fans use it as another tool in their fanatical jealousy and hate of Michael.
    2. The comparisons were 99.9% fueled by the media. It was the media who compared Michael with every artist, even his own sister, just to tear him down.
    3. I agree that it doesn’t make sense to compare artists with each other, male or female. I think that it is childish and ignorant.
    Quote Originally Posted by Themidwestcowboy View Post
    Man enough already, this is a blatant lie. MJ had been looking at that property ever since 1983 when he first encountered the ranch during the filming of "Say Say Say". MJ had already turned the Encino house into a mini neverland way before that. Also prince wasn't the first artist to have a reclusive residency, first that comes to mind is Elvis Pressley with Graceland.

    I dislike when people try to rewrite history, especially die hard prince fans. They say he wanted to do movies because prince did purple rain forgetting that he did the variety shows and Wiz and Thriller which was a short film etc. The reason michael wanted to do moonwalker was because he LOVED films and wanted to be an actor.
    Quote Originally Posted by somewhereinthedark View Post
    Thank you, Thank YOU, THANK YOU!! I too am sick of the LIES and people, especially Prince fans trying to rewrite history to fit THEIR agenda and narrative. Thank you for having the intelligence to speak up about this BS. I applaud every single word that you posted.Btw, this is the very reason for this so-called “competition”- fans, mostly Prince fans perpetuate this childish crap and then the media catches on to it and exploits it. Give it a rest! It’s pathetic!
    No one is trying to rewrite history about that.

    Michael Jackson knew that he did not manage to achieve success in the film industry with his first steps into films (‘The Wiz’, for example, that came out in 1978, was a big commercial flop).

    When Prince’s ‘Purple Rain’ film came out and met with huge commercial success in 1984, Michael Jackson felt jealousy towards Prince, and he wanted to create something similar with a similar huge commercial success (note here that Michael Jackson had already attended also a screening of the ‘Purple Rain’ film held by Warner Bros. for a special, small audience, before its public release, which also shows his competitive attitude towards Prince).

    When the ‘Purple Rain’ film came out, Michael Jackson became at the time so obsessed with Prince’s ‘Purple Rain’ film that he started to read avidly all the press/news articles about that film and even to collect those articles for himself (there are also available photos that confirm that).

    ‘Moonwalker’ (1988) was a musical film based on a studio album (‘BAD’) just like the ‘Purple Rain’ film (1984) which was based on the ‘Purple Rain’ album.

    It is not also a coincidence that he bought and created Neverland Ranch just one or two years after Prince created his Paisley Park.

    Michael Jackson did these things also because he wanted people to compare him with Prince because that would help him to stay relevant (it was then when he along with Frank Dileo started to plant also stories on press about a rivalry between these two artists).

    Also, Michael Jackson along with AEG Live both knew since March (2009) that he was about to perform at least 25 ‘This Is It’ shows, and part of the reason for that number was to outdo Prince’s 21 shows at that venue two years earlier.

    Michael Jackson in his final period was still feeling so competitive towards Prince that he desperately wanted his ‘This Is It’ shows to be better than Prince’s shows:

    …But Kenny, God channels this through me at night. I can’t sleep because I’m so super-charged… if I’m not there to receive these [creative] ideas, God might give them to Prince…’” (Michael Jackson, 2009)

    Michael Jackson was a highly insecure and competitive artist.

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