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    Default Re: Things that did not add value to his performance

    Michael was a spiritual man. of course he wasn't jesus it was all a act. it was for entertainment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NatureCriminal7896 View Post
    Michael was a spiritual man. of course he wasn't jesus it was all a act. it was for entertainment.
    Exactly. He certainly channeled that spirituality for his intense performances, but he never ever put his real self on a pedestal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScreenOrigami View Post
    Exactly. He certainly channeled that spirituality for his intense performances, but he never ever put his real self on a pedestal.
    I agree. Actually there was a reaction to the Earth Song "scandal" at the time (unfortunately I don't remember the author so I couldn't find it, most probably it doesn't even exist in digital format) that explained the roots of MITM/ES and other "Jesus-like" performances coming from gospel and passion play tradition, and that saying it's "acting messianic" is a misinterpretation of those allegorical gestures without recognizing the cultural background. It's indeed about channeling spirituality, in this sense even Jesus to some extent, but not in the "I'm the messiah" kind of way, but by identifying with and personifying some kind of spirituality (be it Jesus, his message, humanity or the Earth).
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    Quote Originally Posted by analogue View Post
    There are people who think that Michael actually collapsed and had to be helped up during Man In The Mirror on the Dangerous Tour. Even though that was part of the act.
    Hahaha, I would be very concerned for his health if he was collapsing at the end of every concert 😂 You gotta love that he was able to convince people of that though

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozemouze View Post
    I agree. Actually there was a reaction to the Earth Song "scandal" at the time (unfortunately I don't remember the author so I couldn't find it, most probably it doesn't even exist in digital format) that explained the roots of MITM/ES and other "Jesus-like" performances coming from gospel and passion play tradition, and that saying it's "acting messianic" is a misinterpretation of those allegorical gestures without recognizing the cultural background. It's indeed about channeling spirituality, in this sense even Jesus to some extent, but not in the "I'm the messiah" kind of way, but by identifying with and personifying some kind of spirituality (be it Jesus, his message, humanity or the Earth).
    That’s exactly the point.

    Jarvis or whatever his name was, the dude who exposed his butt that day, didn’t seem to be educated on these matters.
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    I see no problem with any of it. Remember not everyone is able to see a MJ show twice. Also, when he did "she is out of my life", he use to sit on the edge of the stage but he could not later. He would get pulled off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScreenOrigami View Post
    That’s exactly the point.

    Jarvis or whatever his name was, the dude who exposed his butt that day, didn’t seem to be educated on these matters.
    And Jarvis had not been able to get back up since. It was just jealousy. Also, Jarvis does not know black culture. That kind of thing is done in many black churches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by terrell View Post
    And Jarvis had not been able to get back up since. It was just jealousy. Also, Jarvis does not know black culture. That kind of thing is done in many black churches.
    I agree. It all comes down to cultural ignorance, in my opinion. And if you zoom out and look at the whole stage act at the Brits, it essentially looks like a living painting of an apocalyptic scenario. Just as if a painting in a museum came to life. Personally, I like that whole performance a lot. There’s a version on YouTube where they cut out the butt-dude, so that’s actually nice to watch.
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    All this stuff is what makes his shows fun. I know it is all silly, but they add an element to the concert that other artists don't.

    He can just come out and perform songs, but to me I enjoy these events happening during the concerts.

    Remember that before youtube, concerts were once in a lifetime in person experiences. Michael's intent was not for people to be able to watch him do these "routines" at multiple locations. This was supposed to be an in person fun part of the show.

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    I simply don't have anything to compare with MJ concerts. I've only seen blockbuster concerts by Michael Jackson. I have no clue what other high profile artists do in their live shows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScreenOrigami View Post
    I agree. It all comes down to cultural ignorance, in my opinion. And if you zoom out and look at the whole stage act at the Brits, it essentially looks like a living painting of an apocalyptic scenario. Just as if a painting in a museum came to life. Personally, I like that whole performance a lot. There’s a version on YouTube where they cut out the butt-dude, so that’s actually nice to watch.
    And look at that, MJ was doing something to show spirtual, Jarvis show his @$$. GOes to show who had CLASS. Jarvis could care less about anything "christ like" or he would not have done what he did. That's was a JEALOUSY move. Nothing else. That fool probably do not even pray.
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    Quote Originally Posted by terrell View Post
    And look at that, MJ was doing something to show spirtual, Jarvis show his @$$. GOes to show who had CLASS. Jarvis could care less about anything "christ like" or he would not have done what he did. That's was a JEALOUSY move. Nothing else. That fool probably do not even pray.
    Somewhere around the mid-90’s, cynicism became cool, and people did things that don’t shine a good light on them in the grand scheme of things. Butt-Man is just one example.
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    Using the cherry picker for Beat It on the HIStory Tour added nothing. On the previous tours the cherry picker would go out into the audience, but on the HIStory Tour Michael didn't do that. But he makes up for it on Earth Song.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JichaelMackson View Post
    I simply don't have anything to compare with MJ concerts. I've only seen blockbuster concerts by Michael Jackson. I have no clue what other high profile artists do in their live shows.
    I mostly know rock shows, so for example Iron Maiden always bring their huge mascot monster Eddie in one form or another, and Alice Cooper has a real horror show going on, complete with guillotines and stuff. Just browse some of the bigger names on YouTube, some bands have spectacular live shows.
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    Michael puts his arms out and has the people surrounding him come up and touch/hug him like he's their saviour, with those fake amazement/relief expressions, all while wearing white and backlit. Making himself out to look like a saviour is not "spiritual" it is messianic.


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