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    Default Re: Has Moonwalker been released uncut on blu-ray?

    I like the moonwalker. i said i would do a review on it one day. everybody has their own opinions about this movie. some people like it. some people don't. i see it more as a kid movie more then anything. which is okay because Michael was very childlike also he loved kids and most people saw this movie when their kids themselves.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ScreenOrigami View Post
    I couldn’t agree with you more. From my personal experience with my group of friends back in the day when Bad came out, it just wasn’t “cool” to listen to MJ. The musicians among them acknowledged that the reviews he got weren’t fair, but at the end of the day it wasn’t much of a topic in our conversations either. And while we all went to see Prince’s movie, I didn’t even know Moonwalker was shown in theaters. The irony is, I wasn’t even into Prince, but when your group goes to see a movie, you just tag along.

    The last few months were a wild ride for me, peeling away all those layers of misinformation to get to the real MJ, but it was one of the most rewarding experiences I’ve ever had. It’s a treasure.

    And I’ve had conversations with friends, where I’d point out some of the misinformation, and like you said, each separate bit looks insignificant, but it’s the sum of all this that creates the distorted picture. Right now, knowing the real MJ feels like being part of some kind of secret society.

    I could ramble on about this for hours, like, how on earth did Oprah manage to botch that once in a lifetime chance to do the first interview with MJ in 14 years by asking him the most ridiculous questions in the rudest way possible, but all of this has of course been discussed before.

    I just have to say, I’m completely obsessed with Moonwalker now. It’s so unique and rich and colorful, and actually says so much more about MJ than any of the “interviews” he was subjected to.
    But yes... It only added to this feeling when they tried to cancel him last year.

    And how actually did they think it could be achieved anyway? Will there be a music police raiding the homes of the public, confiscating MJ material? Sure, I understand that a call for ban like this can have serious effects, but it was still a bit ridiculous. Radios banning him can't stop the public from listening to him on their own if they want to (especially nowadays when the music scene is much more independent from radios and record companies). The most this move can achieve is to collect and force all kinds of MJ fans into a sort of counterculture...

    I watched Moonwalker with a group of very varied taste individuals. They liked it overall, apart from MJ's charisma mainly thanks to the big screen experience I guess. What could result in a WTF-moment watching on VHS was mesmerizing on the big scream (e.g. there was a mini-suspense moment during the intro of Smooth Criminal, you could feel the audience holding their breath until the music started). BTW the whole audience was very varied, including punks (their Mohawks sometimes bumped into the screen, disturbing the view). They moonwalked out of the hall after the movie ended, a scene that would have surely confused the above mentioned music critics who like to put musical genres and individuals into separate boxes.

    I guess you're aware that there's a Making of Moonwalker featurette available in various potato qualities. It's a very interesting watch, especially when you can catch MJ giving instruction in the background, it gives away a lot about his creative mind I think (don't mind the screenwriter though, he talks nonsense).

    Oh and BTW I think Smooth Criminal deserves a documentary on its own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozemouze View Post
    But yes... It only added to this feeling when they tried to cancel him last year.

    And how actually did they think it could be achieved anyway? Will there be a music police raiding the homes of the public, confiscating MJ material? Sure, I understand that a call for ban like this can have serious effects, but it was still a bit ridiculous. Radios banning him can't stop the public from listening to him on their own if they want to (especially nowadays when the music scene is much more independent from radios and record companies). The most this move can achieve is to collect and force all kinds of MJ fans into a sort of counterculture...

    I watched Moonwalker with a group of very varied taste individuals. They liked it overall, apart from MJ's charisma mainly thanks to the big screen experience I guess. What could result in a WTF-moment watching on VHS was mesmerizing on the big scream (e.g. there was a mini-suspense moment during the intro of Smooth Criminal, you could feel the audience holding their breath until the music started). BTW the whole audience was very varied, including punks (their Mohawks sometimes bumped into the screen, disturbing the view). They moonwalked out of the hall after the movie ended, a scene that would have surely confused the above mentioned music critics who like to put musical genres and individuals into separate boxes.

    I guess you're aware that there's a Making of Moonwalker featurette available in various potato qualities. It's a very interesting watch, especially when you can catch MJ giving instruction in the background, it gives away a lot about his creative mind I think (don't mind the screenwriter though, he talks nonsense).

    Oh and BTW I think Smooth Criminal deserves a documentary on its own.
    That would be a mighty big counterculture.
    First thing I did after LN was to buy a couple of MJ shirts, and I felt like a rebel strutting around town sporting those.

    I’m really bummed I missed Moonwalker in theaters back then. Hope they’ll bring it back to the theaters one day for some anniversary.

    Is it true that Frank was fired over the mismanagement of the movie release? Or is that just another rumor? Frank didn’t get to finish his book, unfortunately. I would have loved to read it.

    And yes, I have the Making of Moonwalker. Actually, my copy looks pretty ok at around 1 GB. Is it allowed to share here, or does this fall under “official release”? I can upload it, if anyone wants it.
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    Default Re: Has Moonwalker been released uncut on blu-ray?

    You can basically say smooth criminal was basically the whole movie.



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    I looked around and Making of Moonwalker has been shared here before, so I reuploaded it in this old thread:
    https://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...=1#post4292084
    Hope that’s ok.
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    real cool. I didn't know it had a making of it. might check it out when i have the time.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ScreenOrigami View Post
    That would be a mighty big counterculture.
    Yeah. But that's the strange case with MJ, on one hand he's this very famous megasuperstar known all over the world, but on the other hand he was never part of the powerful show business inner circle or a real media darling. It's confusing.

    Quote Originally Posted by ScreenOrigami View Post
    I looked around and Making of Moonwalker has been shared here before, so I reuploaded it in this old thread:
    https://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...=1#post4292084
    Hope that’s ok.
    I'm quite sure it's OK, as it was never released officially (another missed opportunity). Thanks for reuploading! It's indeed watchable quality, but I think all encodes comes from the very same VHS recording.

    Sorry, I don't know anything about the firing of Frank, or if there was any mismanagement around the movie release. I'm just happy it was shown in Europe, as I think it works best on the big screen. This theory is proven by fans who watched it on home video and didn't particularly like it (apart from it being 90 minutes of constant MJ), and non-fans who watched it with me at the cinema and wanted a rewatch immediately. (So yeah, I admit I rewatched the film several times, my only excuse that non-fans did it too).

    BTW I checked the wiki article and for once I liked how they categorized Moonwalker as "experimental anthology musical film", it sounds cool.
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    Default Re: Has Moonwalker been released uncut on blu-ray?

    the moonwalker was only show in theaters in Europe back in the day. everybody else who wasn't from Europe got the VHS. why? i'm not sure. i heard that they did show it on MTV back in the day. when? i'm not sure either.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ozemouze View Post
    Yeah. But that's the strange case with MJ, on one hand he's this very famous megasuperstar known all over the world, but on the other hand he was never part of the powerful show business inner circle or a real media darling. It's confusing.
    And that’s putting it mildly.

    Quote Originally Posted by ozemouze View Post
    Sorry, I don't know anything about the firing of Frank, or if there was any mismanagement around the movie release.
    The version I heard is that Frank was let go because he somehow was responsible for Moonwalker not being shown in US theaters. I have no idea if there’s any truth to it and I have no sources either way. But if this was the case, it’s understandable, after all the work (and money) that went into making the movie. Again, just what I’ve heard, I don’t mean to put Frank in a bad light.

    Maybe someone else here has some information and sources.

    Quote Originally Posted by ozemouze View Post
    I'm just happy it was shown in Europe, as I think it works best on the big screen. This theory is proven by fans who watched it on home video and didn't particularly like it (apart from it being 90 minutes of constant MJ), and non-fans who watched it with me at the cinema and wanted a rewatch immediately. (So yeah, I admit I rewatched the film several times, my only excuse that non-fans did it too).
    Yep, this movie screams for the big screen and popcorn.

    And yeah, I’ve rewatched it a couple of times already (on the laptop, but with good headphones, for immersion). I find it extremely entertaining. There are sooo many little details to discover.

    Quote Originally Posted by ozemouze View Post
    BTW I checked the wiki article and for once I liked how they categorized Moonwalker as "experimental anthology musical film", it sounds cool.
    That’s a fitting description indeed!
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    ScreenOrigami and ozemouze - I am loving your work lately!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScreenOrigami View Post
    The version I heard is that Frank was let go because he somehow was responsible for Moonwalker not being shown in US theaters. I have no idea if there’s any truth to it and I have no sources either way. But if this was the case, it’s understandable, after all the work (and money) that went into making the movie. Again, just what I’ve heard, I don’t mean to put Frank in a bad light.
    Hmm, I always thought it was just a business decision, as marketing strategies sometimes differ to great extent depending on countries/continents, plus not every production gets theatrical release (and as Moonwalker isn't exactly a "film" in a traditional sense , a different kind of distribution in the US seemed acceptable). It's a pity if it was because of mismanagement, but how could it happen? It would be indeed good to know more about it (as there's more than enough drama around MJ, I avoided dwelling into personnel problems too, so I know nothing about these).

    Quote Originally Posted by ScreenOrigami View Post
    And yeah, I’ve rewatched it a couple of times already (on the laptop, but with good headphones, for immersion). I find it extremely entertaining. There are sooo many little details to discover.
    It is, and it's extremely funny in a subtle way. Or, I just watched it too many times, to the point I find every little details amusing.

    It creates an exciting, friendly magical world it feels good to delve into - escapism at its best. Plus it has great cinematography and sound - it's not just the music that sounds good, but the noises as well (e.g. while preparing to go on stage before Come Together). So it's a complex, lively and feel-good experience that also leaves you with a strong sensory impression (of lights, fog, small noises, silence, rhythms, colours - I don't know if it was planned, but the film has a very definable colour palette).

    Although I miss MJ acting in traditional films, I'm glad the one he did is special.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozemouze View Post
    Hmm, I always thought it was just a business decision, as marketing strategies sometimes differ to great extent depending on countries/continents, plus not every production gets theatrical release (and as Moonwalker isn't exactly a "film" in a traditional sense , a different kind of distribution in the US seemed acceptable). It's a pity if it was because of mismanagement, but how could it happen? It would be indeed good to know more about it (as there's more than enough drama around MJ, I avoided dwelling into personnel problems too, so I know nothing about these).
    Frank explains it towards the end of Making Of Moonwalker. From what I understood, first the financial negotiations were complicated and then there was a lack of trust that deadlines would be met, and that’s why the deal fell through. I assume that was a really disappointing situation for MJ – of course he wanted his movie out in the theaters. Direct-to-VHS releases had that stigma of being perceived as not good enough for a theatrical release, bottom of the barrel so to speak. So if Frank was responsible for the release to turn out that way, I can see why his services were no longer needed.

    Quote Originally Posted by ozemouze View Post
    It is, and it's extremely funny in a subtle way. Or, I just watched it too many times, to the point I find every little details amusing.

    It creates an exciting, friendly magical world it feels good to delve into - escapism at its best. Plus it has great cinematography and sound - it's not just the music that sounds good, but the noises as well (e.g. while preparing to go on stage before Come Together). So it's a complex, lively and feel-good experience that also leaves you with a strong sensory impression (of lights, fog, small noises, silence, rhythms, colours - I don't know if it was planned, but the film has a very definable colour palette).
    Yeah, as with anything MJ, if you haven’t listened to it with good headphones, you’ve been missing out.

    And the colors are definitely one of the many details to enjoy! I’m sure that every little bit of this was planned.

    Quote Originally Posted by ozemouze View Post
    Although I miss MJ acting in traditional films, I'm glad the one he did is special.
    … and yet it’s one of his least talked about works. I feel like starting a campaign for Moonwalker.
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    I vaguely remember the story like this, that Frank Dileo was replaced as part of that big new multi-album deal that Michael signed with Epic/Sony before Dangerous. From then on I think he had a whole new management team that was maybe more in control of the label. Can someone digg out that story properly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScreenOrigami View Post
    Frank explains it towards the end of Making Of Moonwalker. From what I understood, first the financial negotiations were complicated and then there was a lack of trust that deadlines would be met, and that’s why the deal fell through. I assume that was a really disappointing situation for MJ – of course he wanted his movie out in the theaters. Direct-to-VHS releases had that stigma of being perceived as not good enough for a theatrical release, bottom of the barrel so to speak. So if Frank was responsible for the release to turn out that way, I can see why his services were no longer needed.
    Yeah, but Frank is still there to talk about it , so who knows.

    Quote Originally Posted by Electro View Post
    I vaguely remember the story like this, that Frank Dileo was replaced as part of that big new multi-album deal that Michael signed with Epic/Sony before Dangerous. From then on I think he had a whole new management team that was maybe more in control of the label. Can someone digg out that story properly?
    Hmm, this could be, that Frank was let go due to a "structural change". :/

    Quote Originally Posted by ScreenOrigami View Post
    … and yet it’s one of his least talked about works. I feel like starting a campaign for Moonwalker.
    Yeah. Let's pester the Estate about it.

    I think that's because people assume it's a sort of "extended MV" and therefore don't treat it as a film. I'm not entirely sure whether it's a film either , but it's definitely unique and remarkable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Electro View Post
    I vaguely remember the story like this, that Frank Dileo was replaced as part of that big new multi-album deal that Michael signed with Epic/Sony before Dangerous. From then on I think he had a whole new management team that was maybe more in control of the label. Can someone digg out that story properly?
    Quote Originally Posted by ozemouze View Post
    Hmm, this could be, that Frank was let go due to a "structural change". :/
    That sounds plausible. Two years leading up to the new contract is a long time, though. Frank was let go shortly after the Bad tour ended in early 1989, and the Sony deal was signed in early 1991. So, if it happened that way, it was a situation of MJ basically wanting to make a cut after the tour and start with a new team, and this approach led to the new Sony deal. Could be. Maybe he just thought Frank wasn’t the perfect partner going forward, and that again may well have something to do with how the Moonwalker situation unfolded. You know what, 2 more hours and we’ll have found the Unified Theory that Stephen Hawking had been looking for.

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    Yeah. Let's pester the Estate about it.
    They’ll be happy to hear from us. Thanks for the HIStory 25 merch, guys, but now let’s have a conversation about Moonwalker.

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    I think that's because people assume it's a sort of "extended MV" and therefore don't treat it as a film. I'm not entirely sure whether it's a film either , but it's definitely unique and remarkable.
    It’s an experimental anthology musical film.
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