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    Default A theory; The estate is holding off on releasing remasters of the music videos because of LN?

    I noticed some months ago that 4K remasters of popular songs from different eras were being uploaded to YouTube, officially. It is really hard to believe Michael isn't getting the same treatment. So, does anyone think that they could possibly be in the works but not for release yet because of the Leaving Neverland controversy?

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    Default Re: A theory; The estate is holding off on releasing remasters of the music videos because of LN?

    I wish that was the case and I think it would be totally worth their effort to do so, but I don’t think they’ve done any remasters outside of Thriller 4K which was in cinemas a while back.

    afaik they are dedicating most of their time to the court cases they are involved in.

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    Default Re: A theory; The estate is holding off on releasing remasters of the music videos because of LN?

    I don't know about remasters of music videos, but I am sure that they haven't released any new music because of LN and the subsequent court cases relating to it. In mid 2018, we got a single release Don't Matter To Me with Drake. IIRC, around that time, someone from the Estate said that they are planning on releasing singles going forward as opposed to albums. I think if LN hadn't happened, we probably would have got another couple of unreleased singles by now. It's a shame that LN came and ruined everything.

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    Default Re: A theory; The estate is holding off on releasing remasters of the music videos because of LN?

    I believe that they dont want to release new material knowing it wont get the attention it deserves, right after LN, in the middle of a pandemic and in the middle of a civil "war" against racism. And this is me trying my hardest to be positive.. I still get so angry knowing there are HD versions of the Bad tour and Im still here watching 2 pixels move on my screen... so I want to believe that they are not as evil as I picture them in my head every so often.. and that they are just waiting for the right time... does that sound too genuine? ��

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    Default Re: A theory; The estate is holding off on releasing remasters of the music videos because of LN?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nite Line View Post
    I don't know about remasters of music videos, but I am sure that they haven't released any new music because of LN and the subsequent court cases relating to it. In mid 2018, we got a single release Don't Matter To Me with Drake. IIRC, around that time, someone from the Estate said that they are planning on releasing singles going forward as opposed to albums. I think if LN hadn't happened, we probably would have got another couple of unreleased singles by now. It's a shame that LN came and ruined everything.
    Correct, here's the article: https://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...29-story.html#

    However, that’s not to say fans won’t be hearing any “new” music from Jackson soon, as the other co-executor of the estate, John McClain, is reworking a batch of tracks alongside a high-profile producer the estate wants to keep secret for a one-off release.

    “We’re constantly scouring the catalog for ideas, but there are no plans at the moment to put any more full-fledged albums out,” said Sony Music Chief Executive Rob Stringer. “We are looking at one-off songs, and in this streaming world that works because it’s a track-based world. There are a few gems out there that we may unearth individually over the next months and years, but we’re also very, very careful to make sure the fan base doesn’t feel like they’ve been asked yet again to buy material they have.”

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    Default Re: A theory; The estate is holding off on releasing remasters of the music videos because of LN?

    I honestly believe that Leaving Neverland, the ongoing HBO lawsuit, and the coronavirus pandemic have completely upended whatever plans the Estate might have had. It clearly kept them from going forward with the singles project that Eddlicious posted above. A lot of time and money has to go into a project, whatever it may be, and they’re currently in a $100 million legal battle while also trying to navigate how a post-2019 MJ album will be received by the public.

    I know so many of us are starved for new material (and I can imagine people are tired of my pro-Estate ramblings lmao), but I truly feel this hiatus is warranted.

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    Default Re: A theory; The estate is holding off on releasing remasters of the music videos because of LN?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysThere View Post
    I honestly believe that Leaving Neverland, the ongoing HBO lawsuit, and the coronavirus pandemic have completely upended whatever plans the Estate might have had. It clearly kept them from going forward with the singles project that Eddlicious posted above. A lot of time and money has to go into a project, whatever it may be, and they’re currently in a $100 million legal battle while also trying to navigate how a post-2019 MJ album will be received by the public.

    I know so many of us are starved for new material (and I can imagine people are tired of my pro-Estate ramblings lmao), but I truly feel this hiatus is warranted.
    I think people are more complaining about the quality of releases when they do happen.

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    Default Re: A theory; The estate is holding off on releasing remasters of the music videos because of LN?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmoothGangsta View Post
    I think people are more complaining about the quality of releases when they do happen.
    Yeah, and for the most part that makes total sense. Every Estate project could be improved in some way; they're far from perfect.

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    Default Re: A theory; The estate is holding off on releasing remasters of the music videos because of LN?

    If I'm remembering correctly, Dangerous was among some of the songs that were rehearsed for This Is It but weren't released, right? I'm surprised it wasn't added to that 10 year anniversary box set thing

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    Default Re: A theory; The estate is holding off on releasing remasters of the music videos because of LN?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysThere View Post
    I honestly believe that Leaving Neverland, the ongoing HBO lawsuit, and the coronavirus pandemic have completely upended whatever plans the Estate might have had. It clearly kept them from going forward with the singles project that Eddlicious posted above. A lot of time and money has to go into a project, whatever it may be, and they’re currently in a $100 million legal battle while also trying to navigate how a post-2019 MJ album will be received by the public.

    I know so many of us are starved for new material (and I can imagine people are tired of my pro-Estate ramblings lmao), but I truly feel this hiatus is warranted.
    I agree with you 100% on everything that you posted about the Estate. Thank you for being objective and rational. Not only is the Estate fighting a huge legal battle against liars and extortionists, they are fighting against public perception because of those lies. This Estate is in the middle of TWO huge battles for Michael’s legacy because of an AGENDA. As I have stated many times, it has $#@* to do with the fake allegations. It has EVERYTHING to do with $$$ and the powers to be to destroy the legacy of the most popular, influential and successful entertainer in history, who happens to be a black man. NO OTHER ESTATE IS HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE CRAP THAT THE MICHAEL JACKSON ESTATE HAS TO GO THROUGH.

    Of course, we want new releases. On the other hand, the Estate knows that ANYTHING they put out will be criticized by some fans, while those same people will try and dissuade people from supporting a project. These SAME people don’t seem to realize that when they do that, they are not huring the Estate, they are hurting Michael and his legacy. I’m not understanding if it’s because some are too young to recognize that or just don’t give a damn.

    I truly believe that it is a combination of everything that Always There stated plus the fact that the Estate is discouraged by the constant negativity of certain fans. In reality, fans of another Estate who is constantly releasing new material have those that nitpick and complain, also. So it’s not just the MJ Estate. I read posts about that Estate where fans always complain about the negative fans.The bottomline is the projects that the MJ Estate have been different and more ambitious than any other estate. Give me the Immortal World Tour, Xscape Album, Bad 25 any day over some of stuff other estates are doing. Of course, I have been a fan for 35+ years, and patience is a virtue with most longtime fans.

    Again, I WANT more releases, however, I’m not going to sit back and act as if what has already been released is nothing. The Estate could easily just have released remastered albums with unreleased tracks included, month after month. However, they tried to do things that were interesting not only to old fans, but something that generated new fans as well. The Estate was extremely successful in doing that because of projects like the previous ones mentioned.

    Bottomline is don’t compare MJ Estate with other estates, because although they are releasing album after album of previous and unreleased material, that artist’s Estate is doing everything and I mean everything to make their artist as popular as MJ’s Estate. I know because I have knowledge of what that Estate is doing. Don’t be fooled by what SOME people feed you. Not only is this artist’s estate releasing music, that Estate is DESPERATELY trying to gain new and younger fans. Recently, this artist’s estate turned over his ENTIRE catalog to TikTok, a youth generated platform, for the sole reason of trying to get younger fans to get like his music.

    Finally before someone tries to imply that I don’t want new releases from the MJ Estate, That implication would be a lie. I just agree that the MJ Estate has to balance these 3 things- huge lawsuits, AGENDA to destroy Michael’s legacy, and fans who complain or try to sabotage ANY project released. I don’t want any fan to take my statements personal; however, “if the shoe fits, wear it.”

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    Default Re: A theory; The estate is holding off on releasing remasters of the music videos because of LN?

    Quote Originally Posted by somewhereinthedark View Post
    I agree with you 100% on everything that you posted about the Estate. Thank you for being objective and rational. Not only is the Estate fighting a huge legal battle against liars and extortionists, they are fighting against public perception because of those lies. This Estate is in the middle of TWO huge battles for Michael’s legacy because of an AGENDA. As I have stated many times, it has $#@* to do with the fake allegations. It has EVERYTHING to do with $$$ and the powers to be to destroy the legacy of the most popular, influential and successful BLACK entertainer in history. NO OTHER ESTATE IS HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE CRAP THAT THE MICHAEL JACKSON ESTATE HAS TO GO THROUGH.

    Of course, we want new releases. On the other hand, the Estate knows that ANYTHING they put out will be criticized by some fans, while those same people will try and dissuade people from supporting a project. These SAME people don’t seem to realize that when they do that, they are not huring the Estate, they are hurting Michael and his legacy. I’m not understanding if it’s because some are too young to recognize that or just don’t give a damn.

    I truly believe that it is a combination of everything that Always There stated plus the fact that the Estate is discouraged by the constant negativity of a certain fans. In reality, fans of another Estate who is constantly releasing new material have those that nitpick and complain, also. The bottomline is the projects that the MJ Estate have been different and more ambitious than any other estate. Give me the Immortal World Tour, Xscape Album, Bad 25 any day over some of stuff other estates are doing. Again, I WANT more releases, however, I’m not going to sit back and act as if what has already been released is nothing. The Estate could easily just released remastered albums with unreleased tracks included, month after month. However, they tried to do things that were interesting not only to old fans, but something that generated new fans as well. The Estate was extremely successful in doing that because of projects like the previous ones mentioned.

    Bottomline is don’t compare MJ Estate with other estates, because although they are releasing album after album of previous and unreleased material, that Estate is doing everything and I mean everything to make their artist as popular as MJ’s Estate. I know because I have knowledge of what that Estate is doing. Don’t be fooled by what SOME people feed you.

    Finally before someone tries to imply that I don’t want new releases from the MJ Estate, That implication would be a lie. I just agree that the MJ Estate has to balance these things- huge lawsuits, AGENDA to destroy Michael’s legacy, and fans who complain or try to sabotage ANY project released. I don’t want any fan to take my statements personal; however, “if the shoe fits, wear it.”

    THANK YOU ALWAYS THERE FOR YOUR INSIGHTFUL POST!
    I agree with absolutely every word and thank you so much for saying it!!

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    Default Re: A theory; The estate is holding off on releasing remasters of the music videos because of LN?

    The day when people on this forum stop using fans having problems with projects as an excuse for them not releasing stuff will be a great day indeed. Some people on here just really do love trying to shame people for not loving everything the estate do, and having legitimate complaints. I agree the reason nothing is being released is because of stuff that's going on, but don't really see where the whole "some fans" thing fits in or why it even had to be brought up in that discussion. It seems to me that some users of this forum just don't like that other people might not enjoy the things they enjoy, and have legitimate reasons, that are being framed as "just complaining" or trying to "sabotage" projects. I think if you ask, everyone that has been complaining has paid for the project they are criticising, and I have never seen anyone on here tell others not to buy something. You really are well and truly making that up. Fan complaints are not a reason for nothing being released, it's once again just another excuse to make people feel bad for having an opinion by certain users on here.

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    Default Re: A theory; The estate is holding off on releasing remasters of the music videos because of LN?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysThere View Post
    Yeah, and for the most part that makes total sense. Every Estate project could be improved in some way; they're far from perfect.
    Agreed, hopefully for their next release they will take a bit more time with it.

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    Default Re: A theory; The estate is holding off on releasing remasters of the music videos because of LN?

    Tbh, I kind of like keeping the mystery behind some unreleased songs. Not to say I would not like to hear them, but I like the intriguing feeling of finding out information about songs we never heard.

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    Default Re: A theory; The estate is holding off on releasing remasters of the music videos because of LN?

    I have a feeling that they want to release them on Blu-Ray before uploading them to Youtube.

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