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    Default Re: Paris Jackson in favor of separating the art from the artist, including her father Michael Jacks

    Quote Originally Posted by ScreenOrigami View Post
    That’s very likely he case, although this line of thinking is completely incomprehensible to any rational observer.
    The most ridiculous thing about this whole mess the title of Sia's album that caused it: "Reasonable Woman".

    Sorry for overreacting this topic and person BTW, but I'm still fuming and in disbelief about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozemouze View Post
    The most ridiculous thing about this whole mess the title of Sia's album that caused it: "Reasonable Woman".
    Her Twitter bio states that she belongs in diapers, though. So, what is it? The “reasonable” woman or the cry baby?
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    Default Re: Paris Jackson in favor of separating the art from the artist, including her father Michael Jacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Mechaspiderman View Post
    Having said that, I don't believe I'm in any position to criticise Paris. Being just a fan I have no idea what it's like to be MJ's daughter and having to endure attacks on her and her family. Maybe she genuinely believes it's for the best, maybe it's a defense mechanism she developed after years of having to put up with people slandering her father. I may not think her approach to lies about MJ is effective, but it doesn't mean I'm gonna question her love for MJ. And speaking of effectiveness, criticising her on twitter won't bring any good. It just further pushes her towards snakes like Sia.
    You're absolutely right and it's of course wrong to criticize her on twitter (I don't doubt it happens and it's very unfortunate, but most people who wrote her about Sia just wanted to warn her with good intentions indeed). It's completely wrong if outsiders want to determine how she should cope with this complicated situation, and her way of dealing with it in private until now was completely fine and mostly accepted IMO.

    The difference here is she did it on a public platform. Literally no one expected her to fight Sia, just to "rise above it with serenity and grace" (basically to practice what she promotes anyway). Her acknowledging it by replying was a bit of a slap in the face TBH.

    But let's take the fans out of the picture (I reckon it might feel absurd when complete strangers try to warn you). Taj and Brandi (and now TJ) called Sia out too, didn't she think there must be some reason if their relatives are angry too? Or why didn't she realize it at least when Sia trashed her whole family (I don't rule out some members may be indeed problematic :/, but it included her grandmother and the 3T as well)? Or why did she felt the need to respond to Sia, when she had no problem ignoring Darren Hayes?

    And I don't doubt her love for her father either, on the contrary, and that's my main concern actually: if someone manages to bait her into something that can be finally presented as she denied her father/family, how would she cope with that?! It's very ugly what's going around behind the scenes here, I'm afraid.

    But I think I should let go of this case as it's driving me mad.

    Quote Originally Posted by ScreenOrigami View Post
    Her Twitter bio states that she belongs in diapers, though. So, what is it? The “reasonable” woman or the cry baby?
    I feel so bad already for knowing much more things about this person then I needed in my life.
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    Default Re: Paris Jackson in favor of separating the art from the artist, including her father Michael Jacks

    Help me, I can't let go of this stuff.

    So, the thing about this Sia (as no one seems to know her ) is that she uses the same talented young (started as a child) dancer in her MVs instead of herself. She was even criticized about that for being a hypocrite, as she finds it very important to protect her privacy (hence the wig), but has no problem allowing a child to be the focus of the exposure. The criticism got more serious when one of these videos was deemed as borderline pedophilia.

    I don't know if the criticism was legitimate or not, and that's not the point either. The point is that obviously no one wants to be associated with this kind of notoriety, so what we are witnessing could be not just PR, but damage control. She wants to make sure to show the world "she's not like that", so she promotes LN, tweets cryptic messages to Paris, and now this:



    BTW, I was thinking that Paris's tweet to her can be interpreted as a subtle shade as well (or at least a case when you want to say something nice about someone, but can't really think of anything worth mentioning): what she complimented was the choreography of Sia's MV, so the part Sia had nothing to do with.
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    Default Re: Paris Jackson in favor of separating the art from the artist, including her father Michael Jacks

    Quote Originally Posted by ScreenOrigami View Post
    This is the part I’ll never understand. If you’re a musician, wouldn’t you be dreaming of having MJ’s gigantic global fan base supporting you? I mean, seriously, any artist who shows MJ some love, and be it just a tweet, will definitely be on the list of artists whose work we’re going to check out and – if it’s any good – support by either listening to it ourselves or recommend it to someone who may like it. Such a super easy way to get one’s name out there.
    Lol, Sia doesn't need MJ fans. Her videos on YouTube have hundreds of millions and billions of views. That should give you an idea of how popular she is.

    And fans need to leave Paris alone. She is not a DLC to an MJ video game, she is her own person with her own life. It's so obnoxious and disrespectful to constantly analyse and poke her over every little stupid meaningless thing about MJ.
    She is on the spiritual path. That means she has a sense of the higher perspective. It also means detaching from drama. She knows that none of this petty crap actually matters in the grand scheme of our existence. It's all just material world surface-level dust. If people misinterpret her tweets that is their own problem, not hers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Anna View Post
    Lol, Sia doesn't need MJ fans. Her videos on YouTube have hundreds of millions and billions of views. That should give you an idea of how popular she is.

    And fans need to leave Paris alone. She is not a DLC to an MJ video game, she is her own person with her own life. It's so obnoxious and disrespectful to constantly analyse and poke her over every little stupid meaningless thing about MJ.
    She is on the spiritual path. That means she has a sense of the higher perspective. It also means detaching from drama. She knows that none of this petty crap actually matters in the grand scheme of our existence. It's all just material world surface-level dust. If people misinterpret her tweets that is their own problem, not hers.
    what sia said in a later tweet was completely irresponsible, non sensical and flat out stupid. She said “I don’t supporte the Jackson’s nor do I believe they’ve been supportive of Paris in her recovery”

    How on earth could she say such thing when she doesn’t even know the family nor ever spoken to them? This is just wrong on so many levels and reeks of arrogance and a lot of other things. I’m glad Taj, T.J and Brandi responded to this. Imagine a stranger saying something like this about your family, it’s speaks a lot about her character. This is just like the tabloids and comes off as attention seeking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anna View Post
    And fans need to leave Paris alone. She is not a DLC to an MJ video game, she is her own person with her own life. It's so obnoxious and disrespectful to constantly analyse and poke her over every little stupid meaningless thing about MJ.
    Sorry, but I'm not sure you followed this case if you say that, this woman specifically bashed the whole Jackson family. Please don't act like it's a normal thing to side with a stranger bashing your family over your relatives. Are these Jacksons making "every little stupid meaningless thing about MJ" too? Or they don't count?







    Quote Originally Posted by Anna View Post
    She is on the spiritual path. That means she has a sense of the higher perspective. It also means detaching from drama. She knows that none of this petty crap actually matters in the grand scheme of our existence. It's all just material world surface-level dust. If people misinterpret her tweets that is their own problem, not hers.
    This spiritual path is very much built on a very material foundation though, isn't it? I's not like she's going to give up on her wealth, as it's just "surface-level dust".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themidwestcowboy View Post
    what sia said in a later tweet was completely irresponsible, non sensical and flat out stupid. She said “I don’t supporte the Jackson’s nor do I believe they’ve been supportive of Paris in her recovery”

    How on earth could she say such thing when she doesn’t even know the family nor ever spoken to them? This is just wrong on so many levels and reeks of arrogance and a lot of other things. I’m glad Taj, T.J and Brandi responded to this. Imagine a stranger saying something like this about your family, it’s speaks a lot about her character. This is just like the tabloids and comes off as attention seeking.
    Because she's ignorant. But Sia's opinion doesn't matter. Or 50 Cent's. Or anyone else's. That's the point. It's all meaningless drama. I wouldn't appreciate it if someone said shit about my family, but I would also have the awareness to know that their opinions are completely irrelevant.

    Quote Originally Posted by ozemouze View Post
    Sorry, but I'm not sure you followed this case if you say that, this woman specifically bashed the whole Jackson family. Please don't act like it's a normal thing to side with a stranger bashing your family over your relatives. Are these Jacksons making "every little stupid meaningless thing about MJ" too? Or they don't count?









    This spiritual path is very much built on a very material foundation though, isn't it? I's not like she's going to give up on her wealth, as it's just "surface-level dust".
    Paris didn't side with Sia, she did the opposite—she said separate the artist from the art. Which apparently some people are incapable of doing when it comes to MJ.

    The spiritual path has nothing to do with material wealth or circumstances. The material world is just a school for experience, growth and learning, so you can realise the Self and serve others—thereby serving the Self/God/Source, etc. Wealth breeds material attachment, so it's usually a hindrance for spiritual awakening and growth, but it's not necessary to make yourself poor unless you feel you need to. You can become Self-realised and still be rich. It all depends on your ability to detach. As long as you use your blessings to help others, you're on the right track.


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    Default Re: Paris Jackson in favor of separating the art from the artist, including her father Michael Jacks

    Read Paris's replies to people since those tweets. This one sums up her position nicely: "Someone will always have something to say. Don't let it break your serenity."

    Paris is finally at a place where she has peace within herself. After years of pain and suffering. Stop trying to pull her back down.

    General notice for everyone:

    Do not be disrespectful to Paris or there'll be consequences.


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    Dan Reed just started following Sia. And also keeps an eye on Paris, I am sure he is salivating of the recent developments, holding out hopes Paris will switch sides and grant an interview or something!

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    Default Re: Paris Jackson in favor of separating the art from the artist, including her father Michael Jacks

    It's funny my posts were removed. Can't I write my honest opinion? If it would be LaToya I think it wouldn't be issue. But if it is Paris then you cannot say anything. I hate that I cannot express myself and just to criticise actions that should be criticised... And I hate that constructive criticism is taken as a hate

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadAlicia View Post
    It's funny my posts were removed. Can't I write my honest opinion? If it would be LaToya I think it wouldn't be issue. But if it is Paris then you cannot say anything. I hate that I cannot express myself and just to criticise actions that should be criticised... And I hate that constructive criticism is taken as a hate
    I dont know what you wrote and how you put it forward, but do you reckon its possible to re-write the sentiments in a way that would be allowed under the rules of the board? (Reservation: I dont know what you wrote or why it was removed)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lightbringer View Post
    Dan Reed just started following Sia. And also keeps an eye on Paris, I am sure he is salivating of the recent developments, holding out hopes Paris will switch sides and grant an interview or something!
    This doesn’t surprise me. If he’s really working on LN2, he’ll have no qualms taking her tweets out of context to “tell a story”. This whole situation is very unfortunate, and I hope that someone in the Jackson family will coach Paris in regards to how her words can and will be exploited for this narrative. Gotta be more careful in the future and phrase her tweets in a way that can’t be taken out of context.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anna View Post
    Read Paris's replies to people since those tweets. This one sums up her position nicely: "Someone will always have something to say. Don't let it break your serenity."

    Paris is finally at a place where she has peace within herself. After years of pain and suffering. Stop trying to pull her back down.
    You often take a righteous and know-it-all stance, and generalize people into one category, and I'm a bit tired of being scorned about things I never said or done. The fans aren't the Borg to think all alike, so it would be nice if you could differentiate between unacceptable behavior towards Paris (which is very disappointing indeed and deserves disapproval) and genuine concern/questions. Plus, I don't see how discussing a complicated topic and asking questions about it can harm anyone, I actually think the opposite: it's discouraging people from talking things over plus oversimplification that doesn't help.

    And yes, I've seen the posts here that were indeed disrespectful, and I thank you for deleting them. But others don't deserve to be put in the same category because of that.

    I think I was clear in my posts that I don't condemn Paris for the situation, I'm just confused and can't understand her reaction, that's why I'm asking questions. I know her explanation about "keeping your serenity", but my incomprehension isn't about that part. I never expected her to fight anyone, like I said multiple times already I'm actually quite happy if she (and her siblings) can stay out of this mess as much as possible. There seemed to be a silent agreement that Taj and Brandi (and the fans, may I add) fight LN on public platforms, while PPB are doing their things and “keep their serenity”, and it was a great solution and worked very well (and most people accepted it IMO).

    I think what some of us feel now is that Paris sort of broke this status quo by publicly acknowledging Sia, and this is what’s confusing. You may say she just wanted to act kindly, and that’s fine, but why didn’t she respond to Darren Hayes’s message too then? The one she chose to interact with was a silly one-liner where her name could be replaced by anyone, while Hayes sent a heartfelt, personal message and he’s obviously genuinely interested in what The Soundflowers could offer to the public (and no, I don’t want to dictate what message she should reply to, I just don’t get it, and see it very contradictory).

    And please don’t act like there’s nothing strange in liking someone’s posts who disrespects her family, including TJ, whom she acknowledged just some days ago as a father figure. BTW she liked that particular post too – obviously not because she agreed with it, most probably she only read it superficially (there was a mandatory suck-up for her at the end as a bait), as she later unliked it. So that’s how attentive she handled the case, but I guess dropping commonplaces about love&peace unquestionably makes you deep and above material things (which brings us back to square one, haha: why acknowledge a worldy flattery then?).

    And one more thing: I think those had her best interest in mind in this situation who tried to warn Paris (including her own cousins, not just strangers like fans), instead of just standing by. I might be wrong with this opinion (I wish I am actually, because if the concerns are real things can get an ugly turn in the future), but it doesn’t make those intentions any less good than yours (like you don’t know Paris or where she is “on her path” ATM any better than others here either).

    I bring this here from the "Jackson Discussion/Picture Thread Part II thread" not to derail that topic:

    Quote Originally Posted by Anna View Post
    Disrespect towards any of Michael's children won't be tolerated. If you want a clue as to why Paris reacts the way she does, try actually looking into her reasoning and having sympathy for what she's been through, instead of making assumptions and disgusting judgements. She went through hell, for years, and has finally got out of it through disengaging from negativity. Have some respect for her and for her choices.
    That’s all very nice and I couldn’t agree more. If only it was applied to MJ as well here.
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