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    Default Re: Hyperbaric Chamber & Elephant Man Bones

    This thread is going well so far, thanks for all the useful contributions.

    I’d like to quickly explain where my initial doubts about the stories come from, which is why I started this thread.

    If it had only been the Elephant Man Bones, ok, that I could accept as a publicity stunt. But the Hyperbaric Chamber story has a serious problem, in my opinion:

    In 1984, MJ not only went through a very painful experience with the Pepsi accident, he also befriended Dave Dave, the young burn victim. MJ empathized with burn victims and tried to help in any way he could, be it financially or with emotional support. It was a topic that was very close to his heart, and his humanitarian efforts were a very important part of his life.

    With this background, I find it highly unlikely that MJ would use medical equipment from the burn center that bears his name for a publicity stunt, for his own gain, implicitly mocking burn victims, and risking bad publicity for the burn center.

    All of this to promote Captain EO – a Disney project – as if Disney projects didn’t get enough attention anyway. If you look at it rationally, the story did exactly the opposite: it distracted from MJ’s creative work and moved the focus to his “bizarre” life.

    This does not sound like something Michael would do, or approve of.

    Add to this the multiple versions of the story, and I have serious doubts that MJ was involved in any of this. The truth always only has one story.
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    So could the captain eo and elephant man stories fake and not from michael?



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    Quote Originally Posted by NatureCriminal7896 View Post
    So could the captain eo and elephant man stories fake and not from michael?
    That’s what we’re trying to find out. We’re looking for clues in newspapers, interviews etc. We haven’t come to a conclusion yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScreenOrigami View Post
    Thanks for posting an actual book excerpt. Who is Taraborrelli’s source? And why is this version different from the one the National Enquirer editor tells on Gerlado’s show while Taraborrelli is sitting next to him? Where’s that first polaroid, for instance?
    The information in his book about those publicity stunts come also from:

    Frank Dileo’s meeting with John Randy Taraborrelli’s private investigator and researcher Cathy Griffin in 1990 (October).

    John Randy Taraborrelli’s interview with Jack Richardson in 1990 (October).

    John Randy Taraborrelli’s interview with Charles Montgomery in 1991 (January).

    John Randy Taraborrelli’s interview with Frank Dileo in 1995 (August).

    The author also utilized four articles that were published at that time (when those publicity stunts took place): two from the ‘Los Angeles Herald Examiner’, one from the ‘National Enquirer’ and one from ‘Time’.

    But the author did clarify (in his source notes of the book) that he cannot reveal the identity of most of his sources about those publicity stunts.

    Most of my sources regarding Michael Jackson’s publicity stunts - the sprained wrist during the filming of Captain EO, the hyperbaric chamber and the Elephant Man’s bones - must remain confidential due to the nature of these sources’ employment in the record industry” (John Randy Taraborrelli)

    Quote Originally Posted by Electro View Post
    Because...?
    Because that book’s section is better sourced, while the rest of it (from Jordy Chandler onwards) tends to include a lot of speculations, a lot of secondary material (news reports, etc,) and sensationalism.

    And certain things that the author writes about Michael Jackson and Lisa Marie Presley (when they were married) do not make sense at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mj_frenzy View Post
    Because that book’s section is better sourced, while the rest of it (from Jordy Chandler onwards) tends to include a lot of speculations, a lot of secondary material (news reports, etc,) and sensationalism.

    And certain things that the author writes about Michael Jackson and Lisa Marie Presley (when they were married) do not make sense at all.

    Strange logic. So even though you agree that later sections of the book are full of sensationalized speculations, you think the early part - written by the same person - is fully "trustworthy and reliable" just because he says X and Y told him this and that?

    What if he actually talked to those people, did one interview with Michael in the 70s and STILL spiced it all up with sensationalized speculations, just like he did in the rest of the book and just like any gossip tabloid junk writer of his type does? How do you want to tell the difference?

    Someone should finally make a detailed debunking of this guys "friendship" with Michael and his trash book.



    Quote Originally Posted by mj_frenzy View Post
    Most of my sources regarding Michael Jackson’s publicity stunts - the sprained wrist during the filming of Captain EO, the hyperbaric chamber and the Elephant Man’s bones - must remain confidential due to the nature of these sources’ employment in the record industry” (John Randy Taraborrelli)
    Of course..................... *whistles The X Files melody*



    Quote Originally Posted by ScreenOrigami View Post
    ... We haven’t come to a conclusion yet.
    Unfortunately I don't think we'll get much further than realizing that no source can be fully trusted. (Well some of us may realize. )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Electro View Post
    Strange logic. So even though you agree that later sections of the book are full of sensationalised speculations, you think the early part - written by the same person - is fully "trustworthy and reliable" just because he says X and Y said this and that?

    What if he actually talked to those people, did one interview with Michael in the 70s and STILL spiced it all up with sensationalised speculations, just like he did in the rest of the book and just like any gossip tabloid junk writer of his type does? How do you want to tell the difference?

    Someone should finally make a detailed debunking of this guys "friendship" with Michael and his trash book.

    Of course..................... *whistles The X Files melody*

    Unfortunately I don't think we'll get much further than realizing that no source can be fully trusted. (Well some of us may. )
    I agree with all of this. And I think, the only way to determine if something could possibly be true is to find corroborating sources that are as close to the event on the actual point on the timeline as possible. This is particularly hard to do for those times that MJ spent more or less exclusively in the studio working on his albums, and opportunistic writers know and exploit this. The terrible Spin article that came out while MJ was working on “Bad” is one example.

    I have outlined why I doubt this particular story. It simply doesn’t add up with Michael’s humanitarian ideals. And it would take a lot more than a book by someone who publicly schmoozes the tabloid folks to convince me that there’s any truth to it.

    Besides, no one has yet explained conclusively why there are multiple versions. What about that polaroid and the reshoot?
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    Default Re: Hyperbaric Chamber & Elephant Man Bones

    Personally, I believe he leaked the chamber story. Not a bad thing at all, I find it quite funny but, I'm not buying his explanation. Biggest pop star ever, someone is in the room taking pictures of you, who I assume you hired to do so and you and your entire management somehow didn't know they leaked it?

    The Elephant Man bones...Meh, maybe he did try to buy them. Wouldn't be surprised.

    Either way, hardly the worst things to do. Although, if he did leak the first one, with hindsight and the floodgates that it opened, it was a very silly thing to do

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOR316 View Post
    Personally, I believe he leaked the chamber story.
    This thread is meant to collect and discuss evidence, not to speculate. Do you have evidence to back up your belief? I’d very much like to take a look at it.
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    Who is Taraborrelli?



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    Quote Originally Posted by NatureCriminal7896 View Post
    Who is Taraborrelli?
    A gossip writer of lots of unauthorized celebrity "biography" books.

    He had a Diana Ross fanclub in the 70s and through her somehow got in contact with Michael.

    Although he likely only ever interviewed Michael a couple of times in the 70s and maybe early 80s, he likes to describe himself as a "life-long confidante" and "friend" of Michael, who witnessed it all first hand, which is obvious bullcrap.


    An article about Taraborrelli:
    The king of scandal

    If you ever become a big star, pray that J. Randy Taraborrelli is not commissioned to write your biography. Taraborrelli, the leading purveyor of the sexed-up celebrity biography, has dished the dirt on Madonna, Frank Sinatra, and Princess Grace Of Monaco, and has just written a controversial new book about Michael Jackson.

    According to Taraborrelli - who, not surprisingly, never gets the cooperation of the stars for his books ('that would be the kiss of death,' he says) - the young Madonna was a self-destructive, sexual aggressor with a need for multiple orgasms; Sinatra had many affairs, including a fling with Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis; while Grace Kelly had to submit to a gynaecological examination to test her (non-existent) virginity before marrying Prince Rainier. ...

    https://www.standard.co.uk/home/the-...l-7436390.html
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    thanks. i knew something wasn't right about him



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    Quote Originally Posted by Electro View Post
    Although he likely only ever interviewed Michael a couple of times in the 70s and maybe early 80s, he likes to describe himself as a "life-long confidante" and "friend" of Michael, who witnessed it all first hand, which is obvious bullcrap.
    His book first came out in 1990, right? Did anyone before the release of his book ever claim that MJ planted the stories? Or did Taraborrelli bring it up first?

    Also, if someone here has all revisions of the book, are there any differences regarding this story? Did he add or remove details in the later revisions? And the excerpt that was posted earlier in this thread, which version of the book is this from?

    Another thought: By his own account, Taraborrelli paid people to research his subjects. So, shouldn’t we at least consider the possibility that those people might have made some stories up to not return to him empty-handed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScreenOrigami View Post

    Another thought: By his own account, Taraborrelli paid people to research his subjects. So, shouldn’t we at least consider the possibility that those people might have made some stories up to not return to him empty-handed?
    Even if there is incontrovertible proof that he didn't leak them or didn't know his pr leaked them, people (and fans) will continue to "believe" that he did. That's the way things roll for Michael. Because how else can they do commentary on how Michael lost the plot? Even if he did plant those stories (or his pr did), how does it equate to him creating the monster that destroyed him? PR plants stories - that's what they do. I can hardly think of 2 more harmless stories - rock and roll ppl do so much worse! oh he sleeps in an oxygenated chamber!!! Clutch all the pearls!!! It's just an excuse to for people to diminish a person that they already wanted diminished. Appreciate your effort, though.

    Michael was hardly perfect but he has gotta be the most nit picked person on the planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjfan05 View Post
    Even if there is incontrovertible proof that he didn't leak them or didn't know his pr leaked them, people (and fans) will continue to "believe" that he did. That's the way things roll for Michael. Because how else can they do commentary on how Michael lost the plot? Even if he did plant those stories (or his pr did), how does it equate to him creating the monster that destroyed him? PR plants stories - that's what they do. I can hardly think of 2 more harmless stories - rock and roll ppl do so much worse! oh he sleeps in an oxygenated chamber!!! Clutch all the pearls!!! It's just an excuse to for people to diminish a person that they already wanted diminished. Appreciate your effort, though.

    Michael was hardly perfect but he has gotta be the most nit picked person on the planet.

    I really don't see many fans dismissing "incontrovertible proof".

    My problem with this whole thing is that if it's true that he planted these stories—and the Liz Taylor one, the alien one, etc.—stories that he later used to complain about his treatment from the media, then he manipulated the fans.


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    Michael was a perfectionist he tried not to nit pick he also very stubborn at times.



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