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    Default Re: What happened to Michael in the late nineties -2003?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmoothGangsta View Post
    I honestly think that when people ask "what happened to him" it's because he was on medication. He has admitted before that he has been medicated for long periods of time for various reasons. It's unfortunate but it's something that is quite well known.
    I agree. Aside from the occasional painkiller episodes, he was certainly taking something to keep his lupus under control, and lupus medications can have all sorts of side effects.

    https://www.lupus.org/resources/medi...to-treat-lupus

    It’s known that he faced a number of health challenges, but that didn’t change who he was.
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    Default Re: What happened to Michael in the late nineties -2003?

    Increased disconnection from the world, health issues, painkiller dependency, insecurity about his appearance and the media scrutiny, pressure to stay big in the music business, the distress and damage caused by the allegations, over-spending, surrounding himself with yes men. I think a combination of many things.


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    Default Re: What happened to Michael in the late nineties -2003?

    Nothing happened to him he just got older. he "grew" up alittle.

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    Default Re: What happened to Michael in the late nineties -2003?

    Quote Originally Posted by mjfan05 View Post
    The period starting from maybe late 1996 to about 2003 - Michael seemed different. He was different in the interviews he did - more eager to please and defensive (prbably attributable to 1993). Then he got worse - decided to let Bashir into his life. Went on a publicity overdrive (maybe fueled by Invincible not doing as well as he though it should have). Definitely seems to have been drinking a lot more than before as well as under the influence of painkillers. To this day, I can't watch some part of LWMJ because Michael seems a version of himself but not himself.

    I'm interested in what triggered all this. I do feel like he started losing track of his finances during this period as well. Started associating with dodgy people or at least started being surrounded exclusively by dodgy people from thereon. Was it 1993 sinking in and changing him as a person? He started a family and should've been happy but he didn't seem to be and didn't display the best judgement especially from 2002-2003. His life 2006-2009 seems an exaggerated, more nosedivey version of 1999-2003 without the publicity aspects of it. At least some of his problems post 2005 stemmed from him not having a homebase like Neverland but the 1999-2003 period, he was fairly sorted in most ways - why still did his life turn so problematic? His spending and not keeping track of outgoes got to be too much? Long years of fame and pressure, midlife existential crisis?

    Some of you were probably keen watchers back then - what did you think?
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    They are not rumors - he did drink - no one is saying excessively. Have you seen the 2003 birthday fan party thingie? He liked to drink white wine quite a bit.
    Michael Jackson had a drinking problem (that escalated from late nineties onwards), and on certain occasions he would drink excessively.

    One example is after he watched the Bashir documentary right before it aired officially (when he drank an entire bottle of wine out of frustration brought on by the unfavourable way that this documentary portrayed him).

    Michael Jackson would always drink white wine masked in diet coke cans on almost every flight, and sometimes in excessive quantities (official documents from the charter company prove that).

    The reason that he would drink white (or red) wine in diet coke cans also on other occasions (apart from the flights) was that he did not want people and kids see him drinking and thus to retain a clean, public role image about himself.

    Prosecutor Ron Zonen (in the 2005 trial) also stated that Michael Jackson appeared intoxicated even on consecutive days in his Neverland Ranch.

    During the days of the 2005 trial, Michael Jackson would also drink a lot in home in order to stifle the emotional pain and stress that the trial was causing him.

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    Default Re: What happened to Michael in the late nineties -2003?

    😂 is that you randy. 🙄 funny its not what i remember from reading every single court transcript of testimony every day of the trial. The air hostesses said they put it in cans. And staff at the ranch talked about mj having bottles of wine when he had dinner guests around . You know ron zonen is the font of all knowledge when it comes to mj😂

    Mj openly admitted he relapsed in regards to painkiller around 2002 and took steps to address it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mj_frenzy View Post
    Michael Jackson had a drinking problem (that escalated from late nineties onwards), and on certain occasions he would drink excessively.

    One example is after he watched the Bashir documentary right before it aired officially (when he drank an entire bottle of wine out of frustration brought on by the unfavourable way that this documentary portrayed him).

    Michael Jackson would always drink white wine masked in diet coke cans on almost every flight, and sometimes in excessive quantities (official documents from the charter company prove that).

    The reason that he would drink white (or red) wine in diet coke cans also on other occasions (apart from the flights) was that he did not want people and kids see him drinking and thus to retain a clean, public role image about himself.

    Prosecutor Ron Zonen (in the 2005 trial) also stated that Michael Jackson appeared intoxicated even on consecutive days in his Neverland Ranch.

    During the days of the 2005 trial, Michael Jackson would also drink a lot in home in order to stifle the emotional pain and stress that the trial was causing him.
    Please include sources for all of your statements when you post. This pattern of constantly making claims as factual with nothing included to back them up is not acceptable.


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    Quote Originally Posted by elusive moonwalker View Post
    �� is that you randy. �� funny its not what i remember from reading every single court transcript of testimony every day of the trial. The air hostesses said they put it in cans. And staff at the ranch talked about mj having bottles of wine when he had dinner guests around . You know ron zonen is the font of all knowledge when it comes to mj��
    Exactly. Portraying MJ as a habitual drinker was supposed to make it easier for the prosecution to sell their claim that MJ also gave alcohol to minors. That’s why we have to be very careful with those kind of claims. I’m currently seeing more MJ & alcohol stories pop up in the tabloids again, which is not a good trend.

    And to claim that he developed a drinking habit during the trial, when he had to get up at around 5 am each day to spend the entire day in a court room for weeks, and had to leave a good impression on the jurors is just ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Electro View Post
    I think so too. HIStory was my main ear as a fan and from late 1999 onwards he just wasn't the same anymore.
    Plus the trouble with Sony that probably would have escalated anyway, since it had already built up since years before.

    (But wasn't it a spider bite, not a broken leg?)
    He had a spider bite and he also had a broken foot.

    The spider bite was on the right leg.

    The moon boot here is on the right foot - at Uri Geller's wedding



    He also had sprains, at different times.

    Left foot



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    Default Re: What happened to Michael in the late nineties -2003?

    Well said. Agenda ridden propaganda. Theres always a motive. Normally to de humanize as its easier to lynch then

    He broke his foot in early 2001 before his london visit in march. Spider early 2003 as shown on the mag. As normal he was called a liar as it was during the avram trial case? So he had to release the pictures which were on his drs website.
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    Default Re: What happened to Michael in the late nineties -2003?

    The 2nd pic down is from the avram lawsuit trial

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    Quote Originally Posted by elusive moonwalker View Post
    Well said. Agenda ridden propaganda. Theres always a motive. Normally to de humanize as its easier to lynch then
    Exactly.

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    He broke his foot in early 2001 before his london visit in march. Spider early 2003 as shown on the mag. As normal he was called a liar as it was during the avram trial case? So he had to release the pictures which were on his drs website.
    Yes, but the Avram case and the spider bite happened in Nov/Dec 2002. Magazine dates aren’t accurate, a January issue usually comes out in December, sometimes even earlier. It’s just a confusing newsstand convention.
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    Default Re: What happened to Michael in the late nineties -2003?

    Yeah i cant remember the exact date of the avram case off the top of my head. Would have to look it up so just looked at the mag date

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    Quote Originally Posted by elusive moonwalker View Post
    Yeah i cant remember the exact date of the avram case off the top of my head. Would have to look it up so just looked at the mag date
    Same. I’ve started organizing my collection by date, so it’s easier to look things up, but it’s still a mess. :D
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    Default Re: What happened to Michael in the late nineties -2003?

    The 60 minutes interview says it all. He was for sure on painkillers. He was in constant pain. He never fully recovered from the Pepsi accident.

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    Default Re: What happened to Michael in the late nineties -2003?

    Quote Originally Posted by elusive moonwalker View Post
    The 2nd pic down is from the avram lawsuit trial
    Are you talking about my pic? The 2nd one down? Yes, he was attending court on the day this was taken (2002).

    The problem is that it's his left foot that is in a sock in that pic and the spider bite was on the right leg, so I think they are two separate injuries that are being mixed up by fans and media alike. Especially as the spider bite was in 2003.

    I was thinking this could be the spider bite. Lots of swelling and no moon boot.


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