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    Default What happened to Michael in the late nineties -2003?

    The period starting from maybe late 1996 to about 2003 - Michael seemed different. He was different in the interviews he did - more eager to please and defensive (prbably attributable to 1993). Then he got worse - decided to let Bashir into his life. Went on a publicity overdrive (maybe fueled by Invincible not doing as well as he though it should have). Definitely seems to have been drinking a lot more than before as well as under the influence of painkillers. To this day, I can't watch some part of LWMJ because Michael seems a version of himself but not himself.

    I'm interested in what triggered all this. I do feel like he started losing track of his finances during this period as well. Started associating with dodgy people or at least started being surrounded exclusively by dodgy people from thereon. Was it 1993 sinking in and changing him as a person? He started a family and should've been happy but he didn't seem to be and didn't display the best judgement especially from 2002-2003. His life 2006-2009 seems an exaggerated, more nosedivey version of 1999-2003 without the publicity aspects of it. At least some of his problems post 2005 stemmed from him not having a homebase like Neverland but the 1999-2003 period, he was fairly sorted in most ways - why still did his life turn so problematic? His spending and not keeping track of outgoes got to be too much? Long years of fame and pressure, midlife existential crisis?

    Some of you were probably keen watchers back then - what did you think?

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    I wasn't an active fan back then but my guess (at least for 1999-2003, I don't see any problems before then) would be that the Munich lift incident and him later breaking his foot caused him to take painkillers that clouded his judgement. He even kinda admits so in this video:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snek View Post
    I wasn't an active fan back then but my guess (at least for 1999-2003, I don't see any problems before then) would be that the Munich lift incident and him later breaking his foot caused him to take painkillers that clouded his judgement. He even kinda admits so in this video:
    I think so too. HIStory was my main ear as a fan and from late 1999 onwards he just wasn't the same anymore.
    Plus the trouble with Sony that probably would have escalated anyway, since it had already built up since years before.

    (But wasn't it a spider bite, not a broken leg?)



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    (But wasn't it a spider bite, not a broken leg?)
    Yes, a spider bite. And as usual, no one believed him without photo evidence.



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    What I would like to know is, where do these “drinking” rumors always come from? He appears to have had some sake with Barry Gibb (which probably came with their sushi order), and possibly some wine on airplanes (nervous flyer, but who wasn’t after 9/11?), but that’s about it. Or wasn’t his liver found squeaky clean and unremarkable during the autopsy? Why is this even a topic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScreenOrigami View Post

    What I would like to know is, where do these “drinking” rumors always come from? He appears to have had some sake with Barry Gibb (which probably came with their sushi order), and possibly some wine on airplanes (nervous flyer, but who wasn’t after 9/11?), but that’s about it. Or wasn’t his liver found squeaky clean and unremarkable during the autopsy? Why is this even a topic?
    They are not rumors - he did drink - no one is saying excessively. Have you seen the 2003 birthday fan party thingie? He liked to drink white wine quite a bit.

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    I think so too. HIStory was my main ear as a fan and from late 1999 onwards he just wasn't the same anymore.
    Plus the trouble with Sony that probably would have escalated anyway, since it had already built up since years before.

    (But wasn't it a spider bite, not a broken leg?)



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    I ask these questions with love :)

    Yes but something seems to have changed. Compare his interviews during Bad era or even 1993 with his Barbara Walters interview. All of his 2003 appearances. He did injure himself in 1999 and that might;ve triggered a dependency but why did it go on for so long? I wonder what he was going through behind the scenes. Strangely, whenever Michael put himself out there and did a publicity blitzkrieg, allegations followed. Both in 1993 and 2003.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Electro View Post

    (But wasn't it a spider bite, not a broken leg?)
    Oh, my apologies. For some reason I thought he had a broken foot during his Rock & Roll Hall of Fame and Oxford Union speeches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjfan05 View Post
    They are not rumors - he did drink - no one is saying excessively. Have you seen the 2003 birthday fan party thingie? He liked to drink white wine quite a bit.
    Yeah, but that’s just having a couple of drinks at a party. People make it sound like he was having a drinking problem when in fact he just went from not drinking at all to having a couple of drinks occasionally, with friends, at parties etc. just like pretty much anyone else.

    Quote Originally Posted by mjfan05 View Post
    Definitely seems to have been drinking a lot more than before as well as under the influence of painkillers. To this day, I can't watch some part of LWMJ because Michael seems a version of himself but not himself.
    This sounds like it was somehow a serious drinking issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snek View Post
    Oh, my apologies. For some reason I thought he had a broken foot during his Rock & Roll Hall of Fame and Oxford Union speeches.
    Yes, in 2001 he did have a broken foot. I thought you meant 2002/3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScreenOrigami View Post
    What I would like to know is, where do these “drinking” rumors always come from? He appears to have had some sake with Barry Gibb (which probably came with their sushi order), and possibly some wine on airplanes (nervous flyer, but who wasn’t after 9/11?), but that’s about it. Or wasn’t his liver found squeaky clean and unremarkable during the autopsy? Why is this even a topic?
    Michael drinks responsibly at least.
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    Michael drinks responsibly at least.
    That’s what I mean. Why bring it up in the context of “what happened to him” then?

    Painkillers I can understand. He did injure his back in 1999, broke his foot in 2001, and suffered from a terrible spider bite in 2002. And those are only the things we know about. Since he didn’t appear that often in public, who knows what else he had to deal with.

    But drinking didn’t really seem to be an issue, in my opinion.
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    Randy,allegedly . It was discussed at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScreenOrigami View Post
    That’s what I mean. Why bring it up in the context of “what happened to him” then?

    Painkillers I can understand. He did injure his back in 1999, broke his foot in 2001, and suffered from a terrible spider bite in 2002. And those are only the things we know about. Since he didn’t appear that often in public, who knows what else he had to deal with.

    But drinking didn’t really seem to be an issue, in my opinion.
    Michael didn't seem himself to me in the 2003 party - I was thinking of that when I mentioned it. Not implying he was a drunkard - I hope that suffices. You can't really control other people's thoughts and expressions how much ever you try to prove that you're right. It is simply opinions.


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    Randy,allegedly . It was discussed at the time.
    Randy Jackson? Didn't he get involved after 2003?

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    Michael didn't seem himself to me in the 2003 party - I was thinking of that when I mentioned it. Not implying he was a drunkard - I hope that suffices. You can't really control other people's thoughts and expressions how much ever you try to prove that you're right. It is simply opinions.
    I can think of a number of other reasons than alcohol why someone might not appear to be at the top of their game on a specific day. In my opinion, some kind of proof is indeed required when we start making assumptions about health related issues.
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    I just watched this video from Gary in 2003, and I’m really wondering how this Michael is supposed to be so radically different from the Michael of the early 90’s. What is it that everyone’s seeing that’s so different? (Except hair, make-up and age, of course.) I chose this video specifically, because it’s very long and shows Michael from all angles, interacting with people young and old in various ways, and even delivering a short speech. If anything, he appears to be a little less shy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScreenOrigami View Post
    I just watched this video from Gary in 2003, and I’m really wondering how this Michael is supposed to be so radically different from the Michael of the early 90’s. What is it that everyone’s seeing that’s so different? (Except hair, make-up and age, of course.) I chose this video specifically, because it’s very long and shows Michael from all angles, interacting with people young and old in various ways, and even delivering a short speech. If anything, he appears to be a little less shy.

    I honestly think that when people ask "what happened to him" it's because he was on medication. He has admitted before that he has been medicated for long periods of time for various reasons. It's unfortunate but it's something that is quite well known.

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